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Humanist_Activist

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69. I don't think that holds up if this lawn isn't fenced off or clearly delineated to not be...

Sun Sep 14, 2014, 11:21 AM

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I do find it interesting that so many supposed progressives seem to like the idea of persecuting this teen for a harmless prank that caused no damage. Even more so they want to do it under auspices of the "sacredness" of the Jesus statue. That attitude seems more fitting for ISIS, not DU.

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Christian privilege and the “desecration” of a Jesus statue [View all] cleanhippie Sep 2014 OP

Of course the kid shouldn't be charged with anything. stopbush Sep 2014 #1

No, but the question is... TreasonousBastard Sep 2014 #2

You make a good point. cleanhippie Sep 2014 #3

I don't think so either, but... TreasonousBastard Sep 2014 #4

I feel there is still a place for "public lewdness" laws. cleanhippie Sep 2014 #6

Actually, it seems that Pennsylvania has some weird... TreasonousBastard Sep 2014 #8

Peeing on property is vandalism or causing damage. This "venerated object" is BS. cleanhippie Sep 2014 #9

How about trespassing? MADem Sep 2014 #52

How about there was no criminal act? Warren Stupidity Sep 2014 #64

What is this "the two of you SEEM TO BE..." stuff? Why are you so rudely characterizing me MADem Sep 2014 #65

Because you and treasonousbastard seem to be desperately searching for some other crime. Warren Stupidity Sep 2014 #67

Now I "seem to be" desperate? Come off it. Stop talking about ME. Talk about the issues. MADem Sep 2014 #68

No, it was on the lawn of a religious organization. rug Sep 2014 #74

Oh dear Warren. Where are you going with this? Starboard Tack Sep 2014 #109

Maybe you should proof read more often Lordquinton Sep 2014 #118

Yes milord! Proofreading is good. Starboard Tack Sep 2014 #119

Wow, just wow Lordquinton Sep 2014 #121

I'm not searching for any such thing, but... TreasonousBastard Sep 2014 #111

I think it breaks down to a public/private property issue, myself. MADem Sep 2014 #66

I don't think that holds up if this lawn isn't fenced off or clearly delineated to not be... Humanist_Activist Sep 2014 #69

I find it more interesting how so many supposed progressives are willing to excuse hate crimes rug Sep 2014 #75

Here's a HINT, this is NOT a hate crime, hell you wouldn't even know what the fuck... Humanist_Activist Sep 2014 #77

Here's a FACT. He is being charged under an actual hate crime. rug Sep 2014 #79

I'm sure you know a LOT more about hate crime than you would care to admit. n/t Humanist_Activist Sep 2014 #80

That's right. I encounter hateful people daily in the most surprising places. rug Sep 2014 #82

I know you do every Sunday, behind the pulpit! Humanist_Activist Sep 2014 #90

Who thinks this is a good idea? TreasonousBastard Sep 2014 #114

More "seems" from people who are blinded by the religious element. That "seems" to be the MADem Sep 2014 #117

Trespassing might be the closest "real" violation... TreasonousBastard Sep 2014 #112

As usual, they're missing the point. rug Sep 2014 #5

You think this is a "hate crime"? cleanhippie Sep 2014 #7

By definition it is a hate crime. rug Sep 2014 #12

How is this a 'hate crime'? AtheistCrusader Sep 2014 #10

We had this discussion yesterday. Did you forget? rug Sep 2014 #13

Did you forget that question was not answered? AtheistCrusader Sep 2014 #15

It was answered, reanswered, wrapped and delivered with a bow. rug Sep 2014 #16

Like hell it was. AtheistCrusader Sep 2014 #17

Read it again. rug Sep 2014 #18

Cant repeat what you never said. AtheistCrusader Sep 2014 #19

No soap. I've spent enough time with you already. rug Sep 2014 #20

The statute is. My objection is that the actions of the accused do not match the criteria AtheistCrusader Sep 2014 #24

I said that yesterday. rug Sep 2014 #25

No to both questions. Leontius Sep 2014 #11

I agree. rug Sep 2014 #14

How the ever loving fuck is this a "hate crime", or, perhaps more importantly... Humanist_Activist Sep 2014 #21

Go ask AC. rug Sep 2014 #22

I don't even see the hate, THIS is hate.... Humanist_Activist Sep 2014 #23

Actually it is. Read the statute and the intent requirement. rug Sep 2014 #26

I did, that law sounds like a bad law that should be overturned on constitutional grounds... Humanist_Activist Sep 2014 #27

It's not quite that simple. Words can cause significant harm. rug Sep 2014 #28

Of course words can cause sigificant harm, for example, I would say the Catechism... Humanist_Activist Sep 2014 #29

Lol, do you want to swap hate speech? rug Sep 2014 #30

You have yet to demonstrate any harm that would come about from this "hate speech"... Humanist_Activist Sep 2014 #31

It's not my burden to. rug Sep 2014 #33

Those are attacking groups of people, not an idea and not necessarily a sacred icon... Humanist_Activist Sep 2014 #35

And who do you think the target of the humper was? rug Sep 2014 #39

That's vandalism, not knowing the backstory, yes it could be because they didn't like angels. Humanist_Activist Sep 2014 #44

It was on the lawn of a religious organization. rug Sep 2014 #48

Considering we are idly speculating as to his motives, sure why not? Humanist_Activist Sep 2014 #63

A reasonable inference may be made on observations. rug Sep 2014 #72

The most we can say is that he is irreverent, that's it. n/t Humanist_Activist Sep 2014 #76

Can you imagine had he done this to a statue of Mohammad? Good lord it would be louder then this. yeoman6987 Sep 2014 #32

There was an atheist that dressed as Mohammed for a parade in Pennsylvania or a place like that... Humanist_Activist Sep 2014 #34

Well that was wrong yeoman6987 Sep 2014 #36

I just don't understand the mentality, apparently the sensibilities of the religious is more... Humanist_Activist Sep 2014 #37

I actually agree with your post yeoman6987 Sep 2014 #38

Who isn't allowed to pray at school or carry a bible? beam me up scottie Sep 2014 #40

I heard that or read it somewhere yeoman6987 Sep 2014 #42

It's a popular meme spread by conservative christians and FOX news. beam me up scottie Sep 2014 #45

I should not have fallen for it hook line and sinker. yeoman6987 Sep 2014 #62

That's actually a myth, students are allowed to pray at public school, carry around Bibles... Humanist_Activist Sep 2014 #41

Thanks! yeoman6987 Sep 2014 #43

You got a link to that? rug Sep 2014 #49

'fraid so. LiberalAndProud Sep 2014 #53

'fraid not. rug Sep 2014 #81

Many posters are blaming the victim in that thread. LiberalAndProud Sep 2014 #85

I read the thread. I don't need paraphrase. rug Sep 2014 #86

Apologies, rug. I edited to do just that. LiberalAndProud Sep 2014 #87

Apparently you didn't look at the link: Humanist_Activist Sep 2014 #88

I doubt very seriously humblebum was a Poe Rob H. Sep 2014 #110

Defending those posts after denying they exist. beam me up scottie Sep 2014 #113

There aren't any statues of Muhammad, okasha Sep 2014 #73

Does that mean that anyone who attempts to depict Muhammad for the purpose of sacrilege... Humanist_Activist Sep 2014 #78

Is there a law that defines sacrilrge as a crime? okasha Sep 2014 #104

Nuance. I'd like some. LiberalAndProud Sep 2014 #46

Which is the greater problem? rug Sep 2014 #47

Which what? LiberalAndProud Sep 2014 #50

Apply them carefully. rug Sep 2014 #51

The original federal hate crimes legislation okasha Sep 2014 #54

I do understand your point. LiberalAndProud Sep 2014 #55

I've worked with prosecutors in local government, okasha Sep 2014 #56

Apology and community service. I would disagree. LiberalAndProud Sep 2014 #57

I think "kicking his ass" okasha Sep 2014 #59

What is the necessary lesson? LiberalAndProud Sep 2014 #60

The necessary lesson that religion has a special place in society and people take second place? Humanist_Activist Sep 2014 #71

How about humping lawn ornaments will get your ass kicked? rug Sep 2014 #83

... or two years in the hoosegow. LiberalAndProud Sep 2014 #91

Hoosegow. Why did that word vanish? rug Sep 2014 #93

Post removed Post removed Sep 2014 #92

"Bereft of Humanity"? rug Sep 2014 #94

I'm the type of humanist who advocates for equal rights without reservation... Humanist_Activist Sep 2014 #95

And do you alse deign to judge which humans are bereft of humanity and which are not. rug Sep 2014 #97

A rather simple lesson. okasha Sep 2014 #100

Okay. LiberalAndProud Sep 2014 #101

Sarah (Palin's, I assume) antics are self-punishing. okasha Sep 2014 #108

THIS IS NOT A HATE CRIME! Unless you have... TreasonousBastard Sep 2014 #115

The statute he's charged under IS a hate crime. rug Sep 2014 #116

what this kid did is not a crime DonCoquixote Sep 2014 #58

When an ugly plaster or metal or fiberglas statue can complain Warpy Sep 2014 #61

It seems to me that a lot of people here want to criminalize irreverence and atheism itself... Humanist_Activist Sep 2014 #70

Oh, brother. If that's what you get out of this, recalibrate your persecution meter. rug Sep 2014 #84

Right back at ya when you complain about your church being criticized! Humanist_Activist Sep 2014 #89

How interesting. Where in this thread is defending homophobes discussed? rug Sep 2014 #96

I'm pointing out hypocrisy, its rather simple, you claim this teen committed a hate crime... Humanist_Activist Sep 2014 #98

No, you're not. You're diverting. Pathetically so. rug Sep 2014 #99

Now, that is a Grand Canyon-wide leap of illogic. okasha Sep 2014 #103

And your failure to get the point is, as ever, predictable. mr blur Sep 2014 #106

There is no point. okasha Sep 2014 #107

The so called "Hate Crime" charge in this instance is Orwellian. n/t 2banon Sep 2014 #102

Taking joy in a crucifixion phil89 Sep 2014 #105

Careful, bunch of people got all bent out of shape last time I copied/pasted references to joyful AtheistCrusader Sep 2014 #120

Ugh. Iggo Sep 2014 #122