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Of course the kid shouldn't be charged with anything. stopbush Sep 2014 #1
No, but the question is... TreasonousBastard Sep 2014 #2
You make a good point. cleanhippie Sep 2014 #3
I don't think so either, but... TreasonousBastard Sep 2014 #4
I feel there is still a place for "public lewdness" laws. cleanhippie Sep 2014 #6
Actually, it seems that Pennsylvania has some weird... TreasonousBastard Sep 2014 #8
Peeing on property is vandalism or causing damage. This "venerated object" is BS. cleanhippie Sep 2014 #9
How about trespassing? MADem Sep 2014 #52
How about there was no criminal act? Warren Stupidity Sep 2014 #64
What is this "the two of you SEEM TO BE..." stuff? Why are you so rudely characterizing me MADem Sep 2014 #65
Because you and treasonousbastard seem to be desperately searching for some other crime. Warren Stupidity Sep 2014 #67
Now I "seem to be" desperate? Come off it. Stop talking about ME. Talk about the issues. MADem Sep 2014 #68
No, it was on the lawn of a religious organization. rug Sep 2014 #74
Oh dear Warren. Where are you going with this? Starboard Tack Sep 2014 #109
Maybe you should proof read more often Lordquinton Sep 2014 #118
Yes milord! Proofreading is good. Starboard Tack Sep 2014 #119
Wow, just wow Lordquinton Sep 2014 #121
I'm not searching for any such thing, but... TreasonousBastard Sep 2014 #111
I think it breaks down to a public/private property issue, myself. MADem Sep 2014 #66
I don't think that holds up if this lawn isn't fenced off or clearly delineated to not be... Humanist_Activist Sep 2014 #69
I find it more interesting how so many supposed progressives are willing to excuse hate crimes rug Sep 2014 #75
Here's a HINT, this is NOT a hate crime, hell you wouldn't even know what the fuck... Humanist_Activist Sep 2014 #77
Here's a FACT. He is being charged under an actual hate crime. rug Sep 2014 #79
I'm sure you know a LOT more about hate crime than you would care to admit. n/t Humanist_Activist Sep 2014 #80
That's right. I encounter hateful people daily in the most surprising places. rug Sep 2014 #82
I know you do every Sunday, behind the pulpit! Humanist_Activist Sep 2014 #90
Who thinks this is a good idea? TreasonousBastard Sep 2014 #114
More "seems" from people who are blinded by the religious element. That "seems" to be the MADem Sep 2014 #117
Trespassing might be the closest "real" violation... TreasonousBastard Sep 2014 #112
As usual, they're missing the point. rug Sep 2014 #5
You think this is a "hate crime"? cleanhippie Sep 2014 #7
By definition it is a hate crime. rug Sep 2014 #12
How is this a 'hate crime'? AtheistCrusader Sep 2014 #10
We had this discussion yesterday. Did you forget? rug Sep 2014 #13
Did you forget that question was not answered? AtheistCrusader Sep 2014 #15
It was answered, reanswered, wrapped and delivered with a bow. rug Sep 2014 #16
Like hell it was. AtheistCrusader Sep 2014 #17
Read it again. rug Sep 2014 #18
Cant repeat what you never said. AtheistCrusader Sep 2014 #19
No soap. I've spent enough time with you already. rug Sep 2014 #20
The statute is. My objection is that the actions of the accused do not match the criteria AtheistCrusader Sep 2014 #24
I said that yesterday. rug Sep 2014 #25
No to both questions. Leontius Sep 2014 #11
I agree. rug Sep 2014 #14
How the ever loving fuck is this a "hate crime", or, perhaps more importantly... Humanist_Activist Sep 2014 #21
Go ask AC. rug Sep 2014 #22
I don't even see the hate, THIS is hate.... Humanist_Activist Sep 2014 #23
Actually it is. Read the statute and the intent requirement. rug Sep 2014 #26
I did, that law sounds like a bad law that should be overturned on constitutional grounds... Humanist_Activist Sep 2014 #27
It's not quite that simple. Words can cause significant harm. rug Sep 2014 #28
Of course words can cause sigificant harm, for example, I would say the Catechism... Humanist_Activist Sep 2014 #29
Lol, do you want to swap hate speech? rug Sep 2014 #30
You have yet to demonstrate any harm that would come about from this "hate speech"... Humanist_Activist Sep 2014 #31
It's not my burden to. rug Sep 2014 #33
Those are attacking groups of people, not an idea and not necessarily a sacred icon... Humanist_Activist Sep 2014 #35
And who do you think the target of the humper was? rug Sep 2014 #39
That's vandalism, not knowing the backstory, yes it could be because they didn't like angels. Humanist_Activist Sep 2014 #44
It was on the lawn of a religious organization. rug Sep 2014 #48
Considering we are idly speculating as to his motives, sure why not? Humanist_Activist Sep 2014 #63
A reasonable inference may be made on observations. rug Sep 2014 #72
The most we can say is that he is irreverent, that's it. n/t Humanist_Activist Sep 2014 #76
Can you imagine had he done this to a statue of Mohammad? Good lord it would be louder then this. yeoman6987 Sep 2014 #32
There was an atheist that dressed as Mohammed for a parade in Pennsylvania or a place like that... Humanist_Activist Sep 2014 #34
Well that was wrong yeoman6987 Sep 2014 #36
I just don't understand the mentality, apparently the sensibilities of the religious is more... Humanist_Activist Sep 2014 #37
I actually agree with your post yeoman6987 Sep 2014 #38
Who isn't allowed to pray at school or carry a bible? beam me up scottie Sep 2014 #40
I heard that or read it somewhere yeoman6987 Sep 2014 #42
It's a popular meme spread by conservative christians and FOX news. beam me up scottie Sep 2014 #45
I should not have fallen for it hook line and sinker. yeoman6987 Sep 2014 #62
That's actually a myth, students are allowed to pray at public school, carry around Bibles... Humanist_Activist Sep 2014 #41
Thanks! yeoman6987 Sep 2014 #43
You got a link to that? rug Sep 2014 #49
'fraid so. LiberalAndProud Sep 2014 #53
'fraid not. rug Sep 2014 #81
Many posters are blaming the victim in that thread. LiberalAndProud Sep 2014 #85
I read the thread. I don't need paraphrase. rug Sep 2014 #86
Apologies, rug. I edited to do just that. LiberalAndProud Sep 2014 #87
Apparently you didn't look at the link: Humanist_Activist Sep 2014 #88
I doubt very seriously humblebum was a Poe Rob H. Sep 2014 #110
Defending those posts after denying they exist. beam me up scottie Sep 2014 #113
There aren't any statues of Muhammad, okasha Sep 2014 #73
Does that mean that anyone who attempts to depict Muhammad for the purpose of sacrilege... Humanist_Activist Sep 2014 #78
Is there a law that defines sacrilrge as a crime? okasha Sep 2014 #104
Nuance. I'd like some. LiberalAndProud Sep 2014 #46
Which is the greater problem? rug Sep 2014 #47
Which what? LiberalAndProud Sep 2014 #50
Apply them carefully. rug Sep 2014 #51
The original federal hate crimes legislation okasha Sep 2014 #54
I do understand your point. LiberalAndProud Sep 2014 #55
I've worked with prosecutors in local government, okasha Sep 2014 #56
Apology and community service. I would disagree. LiberalAndProud Sep 2014 #57
I think "kicking his ass" okasha Sep 2014 #59
What is the necessary lesson? LiberalAndProud Sep 2014 #60
The necessary lesson that religion has a special place in society and people take second place? Humanist_Activist Sep 2014 #71
How about humping lawn ornaments will get your ass kicked? rug Sep 2014 #83
... or two years in the hoosegow. LiberalAndProud Sep 2014 #91
Hoosegow. Why did that word vanish? rug Sep 2014 #93
Post removed Post removed Sep 2014 #92
"Bereft of Humanity"? rug Sep 2014 #94
I'm the type of humanist who advocates for equal rights without reservation... Humanist_Activist Sep 2014 #95
And do you alse deign to judge which humans are bereft of humanity and which are not. rug Sep 2014 #97
A rather simple lesson. okasha Sep 2014 #100
Okay. LiberalAndProud Sep 2014 #101
Sarah (Palin's, I assume) antics are self-punishing. okasha Sep 2014 #108
THIS IS NOT A HATE CRIME! Unless you have... TreasonousBastard Sep 2014 #115
The statute he's charged under IS a hate crime. rug Sep 2014 #116
what this kid did is not a crime DonCoquixote Sep 2014 #58
When an ugly plaster or metal or fiberglas statue can complain Warpy Sep 2014 #61
It seems to me that a lot of people here want to criminalize irreverence and atheism itself... Humanist_Activist Sep 2014 #70
Oh, brother. If that's what you get out of this, recalibrate your persecution meter. rug Sep 2014 #84
Right back at ya when you complain about your church being criticized! Humanist_Activist Sep 2014 #89
How interesting. Where in this thread is defending homophobes discussed? rug Sep 2014 #96
I'm pointing out hypocrisy, its rather simple, you claim this teen committed a hate crime... Humanist_Activist Sep 2014 #98
No, you're not. You're diverting. Pathetically so. rug Sep 2014 #99
Now, that is a Grand Canyon-wide leap of illogic. okasha Sep 2014 #103
And your failure to get the point is, as ever, predictable. mr blur Sep 2014 #106
There is no point. okasha Sep 2014 #107
The so called "Hate Crime" charge in this instance is Orwellian. n/t 2banon Sep 2014 #102
Taking joy in a crucifixion phil89 Sep 2014 #105
Careful, bunch of people got all bent out of shape last time I copied/pasted references to joyful AtheistCrusader Sep 2014 #120
Ugh. Iggo Sep 2014 #122
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