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happyslug

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45. There are also studies about Children given a choice between a beating and being rejected
Wed Mar 28, 2012, 09:25 PM
Mar 2012

And given a choice between the two, a beating is the Child's first choice (i.e. if the cost to avoid rejection is a beating the child will opt for the beating rather then be rejected).

I use to see this at work when I did Children And Youth Work. We had to watch for it. It has been observed in Children in a Play yard, any child the other child refuse to play with or is rejected by either side in any type of ball game, feels worse then if the other children had beat him or her up. When the other children beat him or her up, they are acknowledging by they action he or she is part of their group, and for the victim that is a preferred over being rejected.

That is the point I was trying to make, that Children will try to be a member of any group they can join, whatever is the price. Gangs count on this when they recruit new gang members.

My point is this desire to belong is so strong that people, especially children, will embrace whatever is needed to be accepted by other members of society. It is hard to reject anything their friends embrace.

The Second point was that it is also human nature to embrace a positive action over a negative action i.e. it is easier for people to embrace the concept of ANYTHING (including God) then to REJECT anything (Including God). It is a part of Human Nature a whole lot of people do NOT like, for it makes us sound like we are animals driven by instinct as opposed to being rational beings. Yes that last sentence sounds like a negative concept that I am pointing out is generally rejected, but people do NOT have to reject it, for they can accept it AND still embrace the Concept we are rational beings. The reason for this is there is NO direct conflict between the two concepts, thus both can survive. On the other hand whenever people have to choice between the Concept of God or the rejection of that concept, it is a direct conflict and people will embrace the positive concept of God, over its rejection.

These two aspect of being Human, kicks in with young children. They will embrace any positive concept that their friends embrace. For example it is easier to get children to embrace the idea that they are better then other children because of their race (i.e. White Children are better then African American Children, so do not play with African American Children). Notice how that prejudice is framed in POSITIVE terms. Later on in life the same person may embrace negative justifications, but the original embrace tends to be of a positive nature.

My point is simple, we are hard wired to embrace the concepts we are exposed to by our friends. We are also hard wired to accept positive concepts over negative concepts. Together these two aspects of Human Nature makes the belief in God easier to embrace then the rejection of that idea. Thus we may NOT be hard wired to believe in God, we are hard wired to embrace that belief IF IT COMES UP and it will sooner or later for most people.

I certainly wasn't. Arugula Latte Mar 2012 #1
Yeah. I am real sure that five year old was never ever exposed to any christianity CBGLuthier Mar 2012 #2
Keep reading. While *membership* is high, less than 10% actually attend church. cbayer Mar 2012 #4
But you don't have to attend church to be exposed to the concept of God LeftishBrit Mar 2012 #11
My experience with Scandanavians, while anecdotal, is fairly extensive at this point. cbayer Mar 2012 #14
As regards Australians... LeftishBrit Mar 2012 #22
Due to your proximity to Scandanavia and your being a member of the Commonwealth, cbayer Mar 2012 #25
So from your experience Goblinmonger Mar 2012 #53
Really interesting read. cbayer Mar 2012 #3
I wasn't. I found Sunday School with God, the Bible Stories, etc. hard to believe. no_hypocrisy Mar 2012 #5
Sounds like an interesting book. Jim__ Mar 2012 #6
Kids of atheists - no matter how hard their parents might try to insulate them from religion TlalocW Mar 2012 #7
I've had two Chinese foreign exchange students... PassingFair Mar 2012 #43
I was born Buddhist, just like in my previous lives. :) nt Speck Tater Mar 2012 #8
The same group holds more reverence for the fetus than the unborn liberal N proud Mar 2012 #9
What group are you referring to? cbayer Mar 2012 #17
I think he's talking about the dumbass creationists. n/t Goblinmonger Mar 2012 #55
nonsense. nt bowens43 Mar 2012 #10
Astounding bongbong Mar 2012 #12
By your measurement then, there is no evidence infants are born atheist. rug Mar 2012 #13
Uhhh.... bongbong Mar 2012 #19
No. rug Mar 2012 #23
Strawman alert! bongbong Mar 2012 #26
I see. rug Mar 2012 #27
Strawman #2 bongbong Mar 2012 #29
And I'm sure your four year old self put up quite the argument. rug Mar 2012 #44
Yes! bongbong Mar 2012 #47
And it appears your skills at argument have progressed little since. rug Mar 2012 #65
Yes x 2 bongbong Mar 2012 #66
Infants aren't born with any belief systems, as far as I'm aware of... Humanist_Activist Mar 2012 #51
Great points, a little anatomy and physiology of SamG Mar 2012 #59
Reminds me of a joke I heard years ago ... eppur_se_muova Mar 2012 #32
The variation I heard involved German Emperor Barborssa happyslug Mar 2012 #36
Riiiiiiight. I got kicked out of Sunday School when I was 8 catbyte Mar 2012 #15
It depends what you mean by being 'born with religious belief' LeftishBrit Mar 2012 #16
It's an interesting question. rug Mar 2012 #18
+1 n/t Silent3 Mar 2012 #20
Your post inspires me bongbong Mar 2012 #21
So far, there's no evidence indicating that God has to be a sky daddy. THAT may NOT be wired in. saras Mar 2012 #24
The author is clueless right from the start skepticscott Mar 2012 #28
Not only that... laconicsax Mar 2012 #34
There have been several experiments with children raised in isolation FarCenter Mar 2012 #30
Ah, but see my post above ! :D eppur_se_muova Mar 2012 #33
Another avenue of inquiry would be to study the religious beliefs of primitive people. FarCenter Mar 2012 #35
The course of human development from birth to adulthood involves SamG Mar 2012 #31
First it is clear baby do HAVE mental needs, mostly to do with interaction with other humans happyslug Mar 2012 #37
I'm not sure what your point is. But the nature of human and SamG Mar 2012 #38
There are also studies about Children given a choice between a beating and being rejected happyslug Mar 2012 #45
The heliocentric model mainly explains the seasons, rather than the times of sunrise and sunset FarCenter Mar 2012 #39
Sorry, despite Beatles lyrics, I might admire you SamG Mar 2012 #40
To be fair... LeftishBrit Mar 2012 #56
The riff on the Beatles was in reply to Happyslug and his riff on Sherlock Holmes FarCenter Mar 2012 #41
And the author of the book under discussion does NOT say children embrace theology happyslug Mar 2012 #46
Farmers used direct observations of equinox, solistices and calendars since the megalithic FarCenter Mar 2012 #49
The best farmers have the most "Farmer's Sayings"/anecdotes or "Old Wives takes" happyslug Mar 2012 #54
Based on that reasoning, kids' imaginary friends are real. Odin2005 Mar 2012 #42
In many ways there are. happyslug Mar 2012 #48
But that doesn't make them REAL. Odin2005 Mar 2012 #50
That depends on your definition of "Real" happyslug Mar 2012 #57
Your post intrigues me and I am grateful for your input here. cbayer Mar 2012 #60
You you think the voices in a schizophrenic's head are real? Odin2005 Mar 2012 #61
Real to them, that's for sure. cbayer Mar 2012 #63
Seems like a book riddled with anecdotes and confirmation bias. Humanist_Activist Mar 2012 #52
Like the Nazi did in regards to cold water temperature survival? happyslug Mar 2012 #58
I mention the problem of ethics in a post above, no need to go off the wall about it. Humanist_Activist Mar 2012 #62
To interrupt the conversation here... LeftishBrit Mar 2012 #64
Your are right, of course, I wasn't thinking of that, they do do studies on children... Humanist_Activist Mar 2012 #67
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