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happyslug

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46. And the author of the book under discussion does NOT say children embrace theology
Wed Mar 28, 2012, 10:15 PM
Mar 2012

All the author is saying is they is a tendency to accept some form of belief in a higher power. In our culture that tends to be God, but in other culture that can be animism. i.e. some power beyond the person's knowledge has control over nature.

The Author of the book does NOT mention anything about a belief in afterlife, or any theological concepts. His point was simple, there seems to be an innate willingness to embrace the idea that some higher power has control over things a person himself or herself can NOT control. While the author is a Christian (and admits so in the book) he states NOTHING that shows an innate willingness to embrace any one religion or religion as a whole, just an innate willingness to embrace the concept that they are things in nature controlled by unseen forces AND those unseen forces are some form of spirit or god.

As to my comments on Sir Arthur Conan Doyle's Sherlock Holmes books, I mention it for the simple reason it is one of classic comments that unimportant details should be avoided and is mostly worthless in most situations. Most people, even as late as the 1890s in the US, were farmers and it did not matter to them WHY the seasons occurred, but that they did. For such farmers the heliocentric theory was of no more value to them then the story of Ceres/Demeter and her daughter Proserpina/Persephone in explaining the coming of Spring and winter. A farmer's main concern was when to plant his crops and with that in mind the story of Proserpina/Persephone having to spend half the year in Hades with her husband, Dis Pater/Pluto the ruler of Hades (Orcus is sometime used in place of Dis Pater, Orcus seems to have been a Roman god that NEVER made it into the official gods of the City of Rome, Dis Pater being the god of the Dead in Rome itself, Orcus survived in the rural parts of the Roman Republic and the later Empire. See even I get into irrelevant details that Doyle was attacking in that paragraph he wrote in that Sherlock Holmes Story).

This concept of irrelevant details a lot of people on DU dislike. Details can be important, but is it important to the subject at hand? For a farmer, which story is more relevant to when crops should be planted? The heliocentric theory or the story of Proserpina having to spend half the year with Dis Pater causing her mother Ceres to be so sad that the crops died but when Proserpina returned in the spring, it was time to plant crops for Ceres was happy and the land was made warm by her happiness for Proserpina had come back to her (Yes, I am using the Latin Names for these gods, not the Greek Names).

For most farmer either story will work when it comes to the time to plant their crop. Thus for farmers is one theory better then the other? The answer is NO, both will work, which was the point Doyle was making with his comment he had Sherlock Holmes make to Dr Watson. If a theory is useful, even if based on nothing, as long as it is useful it is good.


I certainly wasn't. Arugula Latte Mar 2012 #1
Yeah. I am real sure that five year old was never ever exposed to any christianity CBGLuthier Mar 2012 #2
Keep reading. While *membership* is high, less than 10% actually attend church. cbayer Mar 2012 #4
But you don't have to attend church to be exposed to the concept of God LeftishBrit Mar 2012 #11
My experience with Scandanavians, while anecdotal, is fairly extensive at this point. cbayer Mar 2012 #14
As regards Australians... LeftishBrit Mar 2012 #22
Due to your proximity to Scandanavia and your being a member of the Commonwealth, cbayer Mar 2012 #25
So from your experience Goblinmonger Mar 2012 #53
Really interesting read. cbayer Mar 2012 #3
I wasn't. I found Sunday School with God, the Bible Stories, etc. hard to believe. no_hypocrisy Mar 2012 #5
Sounds like an interesting book. Jim__ Mar 2012 #6
Kids of atheists - no matter how hard their parents might try to insulate them from religion TlalocW Mar 2012 #7
I've had two Chinese foreign exchange students... PassingFair Mar 2012 #43
I was born Buddhist, just like in my previous lives. :) nt Speck Tater Mar 2012 #8
The same group holds more reverence for the fetus than the unborn liberal N proud Mar 2012 #9
What group are you referring to? cbayer Mar 2012 #17
I think he's talking about the dumbass creationists. n/t Goblinmonger Mar 2012 #55
nonsense. nt bowens43 Mar 2012 #10
Astounding bongbong Mar 2012 #12
By your measurement then, there is no evidence infants are born atheist. rug Mar 2012 #13
Uhhh.... bongbong Mar 2012 #19
No. rug Mar 2012 #23
Strawman alert! bongbong Mar 2012 #26
I see. rug Mar 2012 #27
Strawman #2 bongbong Mar 2012 #29
And I'm sure your four year old self put up quite the argument. rug Mar 2012 #44
Yes! bongbong Mar 2012 #47
And it appears your skills at argument have progressed little since. rug Mar 2012 #65
Yes x 2 bongbong Mar 2012 #66
Infants aren't born with any belief systems, as far as I'm aware of... Humanist_Activist Mar 2012 #51
Great points, a little anatomy and physiology of SamG Mar 2012 #59
Reminds me of a joke I heard years ago ... eppur_se_muova Mar 2012 #32
The variation I heard involved German Emperor Barborssa happyslug Mar 2012 #36
Riiiiiiight. I got kicked out of Sunday School when I was 8 catbyte Mar 2012 #15
It depends what you mean by being 'born with religious belief' LeftishBrit Mar 2012 #16
It's an interesting question. rug Mar 2012 #18
+1 n/t Silent3 Mar 2012 #20
Your post inspires me bongbong Mar 2012 #21
So far, there's no evidence indicating that God has to be a sky daddy. THAT may NOT be wired in. saras Mar 2012 #24
The author is clueless right from the start skepticscott Mar 2012 #28
Not only that... laconicsax Mar 2012 #34
There have been several experiments with children raised in isolation FarCenter Mar 2012 #30
Ah, but see my post above ! :D eppur_se_muova Mar 2012 #33
Another avenue of inquiry would be to study the religious beliefs of primitive people. FarCenter Mar 2012 #35
The course of human development from birth to adulthood involves SamG Mar 2012 #31
First it is clear baby do HAVE mental needs, mostly to do with interaction with other humans happyslug Mar 2012 #37
I'm not sure what your point is. But the nature of human and SamG Mar 2012 #38
There are also studies about Children given a choice between a beating and being rejected happyslug Mar 2012 #45
The heliocentric model mainly explains the seasons, rather than the times of sunrise and sunset FarCenter Mar 2012 #39
Sorry, despite Beatles lyrics, I might admire you SamG Mar 2012 #40
To be fair... LeftishBrit Mar 2012 #56
The riff on the Beatles was in reply to Happyslug and his riff on Sherlock Holmes FarCenter Mar 2012 #41
And the author of the book under discussion does NOT say children embrace theology happyslug Mar 2012 #46
Farmers used direct observations of equinox, solistices and calendars since the megalithic FarCenter Mar 2012 #49
The best farmers have the most "Farmer's Sayings"/anecdotes or "Old Wives takes" happyslug Mar 2012 #54
Based on that reasoning, kids' imaginary friends are real. Odin2005 Mar 2012 #42
In many ways there are. happyslug Mar 2012 #48
But that doesn't make them REAL. Odin2005 Mar 2012 #50
That depends on your definition of "Real" happyslug Mar 2012 #57
Your post intrigues me and I am grateful for your input here. cbayer Mar 2012 #60
You you think the voices in a schizophrenic's head are real? Odin2005 Mar 2012 #61
Real to them, that's for sure. cbayer Mar 2012 #63
Seems like a book riddled with anecdotes and confirmation bias. Humanist_Activist Mar 2012 #52
Like the Nazi did in regards to cold water temperature survival? happyslug Mar 2012 #58
I mention the problem of ethics in a post above, no need to go off the wall about it. Humanist_Activist Mar 2012 #62
To interrupt the conversation here... LeftishBrit Mar 2012 #64
Your are right, of course, I wasn't thinking of that, they do do studies on children... Humanist_Activist Mar 2012 #67
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