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In reply to the discussion: Why Is Rape at the Origin of Most Religion? [View all]cleanhippie
(19,705 posts)24. Reading Luke, I have to conclude that she was told, not asked.
1:30 And the angel said unto her, Fear not, Mary: for thou hast found favour with God. (1:30-31) "The angel said ... thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name JESUS."
1:31 And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name JESUS.
1:32 He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David:
1:33 And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end. (1:34) "Then said Mary unto the angel, How shall this be, seeing I know not a man?" Just a few verses earlier (1:17-20), Zacharias is struck dumb for doubting his wife's angel-assisted pregnancy. Why wasn't Mary punished for her disbelief?
Was Joseph the father of Jesus?
(1:35) "The angel ... said ... The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God." Gabriel tells Mary that the Holy Ghost will come on her and she'll be covered by the power of God, so "the holy thing" that she delivers will be the Son of God.
1:31 And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name JESUS.
1:32 He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David:
1:33 And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end. (1:34) "Then said Mary unto the angel, How shall this be, seeing I know not a man?" Just a few verses earlier (1:17-20), Zacharias is struck dumb for doubting his wife's angel-assisted pregnancy. Why wasn't Mary punished for her disbelief?
Was Joseph the father of Jesus?
(1:35) "The angel ... said ... The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God." Gabriel tells Mary that the Holy Ghost will come on her and she'll be covered by the power of God, so "the holy thing" that she delivers will be the Son of God.
I see no consent, no asking if this is what she wants.
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I'm sorry that happened to you. Still doesn't explain how you can justify this.
cleanhippie
Dec 2014
#18
Are you in the habit of rolling around the floor laughing after triggering a rape victim?
rug
Dec 2014
#28
This post is like responding to Harris' latest antics by talking about Bertrand Russell.
rug
Dec 2014
#74
I don't know what language that second-hand account was written in originally, I suspect Greek but
AtheistCrusader
Dec 2014
#110
I can't put my finger on it but I'm sure I've heard "god is a bloody-minded psychopath"
rug
Dec 2014
#90
So, could you address post 77, now that we've come to an agreement on that?
AtheistCrusader
Dec 2014
#96
Well, if you're going on the premise that the scriptures are the actual word of God,
okasha
Dec 2014
#119
Early tradition claims that Luke drew his account from statements by Mary herself.
okasha
Dec 2014
#125
Pretend God is a CEO, and Mary an intern. Re-run the scenario in your head.
AtheistCrusader
Dec 2014
#86
"The angel said ... thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son,"
cleanhippie
Dec 2014
#30
I think that's part of it. Unfortunately, apologists don't want to discuss this issue
cleanhippie
Dec 2014
#3
“Behold, I am the handmaid of the Lord. May it be done to me according to your word.”
cleanhippie
Dec 2014
#31
Give it up. Thinking out loud while looking over your shoulder is hardly discussion.
rug
Dec 2014
#32
Your inability to articulate anything beyond a personal attack is just sad.
cleanhippie
Dec 2014
#33
Especially in the Abrahamic religions, women are directed to be subservient to their men.
cleanhippie
Dec 2014
#7
Summary of thread: "We don't want it to be called rape, so it isn't rape, so stop calling it that!"
Arugula Latte
Dec 2014
#54
Well I'll give you the "feeding on brains" part. There is no evidence that Jesus did that
Warren Stupidity
Dec 2014
#120
Yes your point was not to discuss the message but to attack the messenger.
Warren Stupidity
Dec 2014
#130