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In reply to the discussion: Can You Prove It Didn't Happen? [View all]
 

rug

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131. That's a much lesser burden.
Tue Jan 6, 2015, 07:04 PM
Jan 2015

And not necessarily a religious topic at all.

The theories are all over the place about whether the univierse had a beginning or did not. I believe the consensus remains with an unknow and unexplained starting point.

That alone does not mean it was made, simply that it began. But it is not unreasonable to ask by whom or by what.

Can You Prove It Didn't Happen? [View all] Warren Stupidity Jan 2015 OP
Excellent essay JDDavis Jan 2015 #1
The premise of this old essay is absurd. rug Jan 2015 #2
Wrong again. phil89 Jan 2015 #3
Obtuse again. rug Jan 2015 #4
So when Person A claims Bigfoot exists, and Person B claims that there's no good evidence... Silent3 Jan 2015 #5
This is the difference. rug Jan 2015 #6
That a person goes out of their way to define the object of their belief... Silent3 Jan 2015 #7
It's less an exemption than an inadequacy in human thought and language. rug Jan 2015 #8
If human thought is inadequate for dealing with proof and comparision of supernatural claims... Silent3 Jan 2015 #9
Not at all. rug Jan 2015 #10
And astrology will "survive" and Bigfoot claims will "survive". Silent3 Jan 2015 #17
Which are uniquely different things, aside from having a big foot. rug Jan 2015 #21
No, ignoring the special pleading of those who need special pleading for their supernatural... Silent3 Jan 2015 #35
I have the same internet list of fallacies you do. rug Jan 2015 #36
I have yet to hear valid justification for excluding claims about deities... Silent3 Jan 2015 #46
Because God is entirely nonmaterial. rug Jan 2015 #47
How are you, a being composed of material, supposed to have learned of this... Silent3 Jan 2015 #48
That question is the heart of religion. rug Jan 2015 #50
"no one can reason his or her way to this" Silent3 Jan 2015 #53
It comes down to this. rug Jan 2015 #54
And revelations edhopper Jan 2015 #61
That's why no one ever heard the story of The Lord of the Rings! Silent3 Jan 2015 #62
"You would only counter each offered experiment with reasons why that experiment was inadequate" rug Jan 2015 #63
Rug, thanks for these posts. thucythucy Jan 2015 #81
Thanks, thucy. rug Jan 2015 #95
"The short answer is revelation." Orrex Jan 2015 #64
Meh, yourself. rug Jan 2015 #65
That's an appeal to majority opinion, and it's unpersuasive in this context Orrex Jan 2015 #66
No, it's a statement of fact. rug Jan 2015 #67
That was not my statement Orrex Jan 2015 #68
This was your statement: rug Jan 2015 #69
Yes, that was my statement, and that statement remains correct. Orrex Jan 2015 #70
It's as incorrect now as when you first typed it. rug Jan 2015 #71
You are *STILL* depending entirely on majority opinion Orrex Jan 2015 #72
And you are ignoring a measurable phenomenon. rug Jan 2015 #73
Of course I'm not, though I understand that you need to believe that I am. Orrex Jan 2015 #78
Where is the evidence for this? rug Jan 2015 #79
Clearly, you are the believer for whom no evidence is necessary Orrex Jan 2015 #80
It appears obvious that honest and rational discourse is impossible with him. cleanhippie Jan 2015 #84
Au contraire, I'm a believer in the correct use of evidence. rug Jan 2015 #96
I think all people of average or better intelligence who believe religious dogma ..... tradewinds Jan 2015 #101
Oh this again. hrmjustin Jan 2015 #102
I just answered a question. One not from you. tradewinds Jan 2015 #103
And i am giving my opinion on your answer. hrmjustin Jan 2015 #104
So, you have no opinion? tradewinds Jan 2015 #105
My opinion is that believers are not deluded or irrational. hrmjustin Jan 2015 #106
That is an interesting opinion. tradewinds Jan 2015 #107
Thus you got the facepalm. hrmjustin Jan 2015 #108
Ok, "FACEPALM" it is !! tradewinds Jan 2015 #109
Are you calling me a moron? hrmjustin Jan 2015 #110
No, of course not, but the guy in the picture might be. tradewinds Jan 2015 #111
You should self delete these last two posts. hrmjustin Jan 2015 #112
No. tradewinds Jan 2015 #113
ok. i hope no one alerts on it and if they do I hope it is not hidden on my account. hrmjustin Jan 2015 #114
Kisses. tradewinds Jan 2015 #115
He's talking to the guy who posted the picture. rug Jan 2015 #118
Oh, rug. rug, rug. tradewinds Jan 2015 #121
Ah, so you are shy. rug Jan 2015 #124
.. tradewinds Jan 2015 #126
Considering we're discussing your posts, I'd have to agree. rug Jan 2015 #127
Then tell me exactly how you confirm one supernatural phenomenon but would reject another Orrex Jan 2015 #134
What? hrmjustin Jan 2015 #135
If you feel that believers are not deluded or irrational... Orrex Jan 2015 #137
Faith is not scientific nor is it meant to be. hrmjustin Jan 2015 #138
Ah. Special pleading, then. Orrex Jan 2015 #139
And? hrmjustin Jan 2015 #140
And you clearly can't handle simple questions about faith, either. Orrex Jan 2015 #141
Sure I can but if you are trying to prove that I am delusional or irrational, then I have no hrmjustin Jan 2015 #142
What makes you think that I'm trying to prove either? Orrex Jan 2015 #143
I am not trying to convince you of anything nor do I have a desire to. hrmjustin Jan 2015 #144
Refusal to examine one's faith is a sure sign of a weak faith Orrex Jan 2015 #146
I examine my faith all the time. hrmjustin Jan 2015 #147
Nothing in this discussion indicates that you're willing to do so (edited for typo) Orrex Jan 2015 #150
You judge me on this one thread? hrmjustin Jan 2015 #154
I don't care if you live in Narnia Orrex Jan 2015 #159
Since I have answered the question and you have nothing else I wish you a pleasant evening. hrmjustin Jan 2015 #161
That's still not an answer Orrex Jan 2015 #164
On faith. hrmjustin Jan 2015 #165
Ok, so you've gone with the non-answer Orrex Jan 2015 #166
I am heartbroken. hrmjustin Jan 2015 #167
Post removed Post removed Jan 2015 #169
You seem a bit frustrated. It shows. hrmjustin Jan 2015 #170
Deluded for sure, irrational is debatable. randys1 Jan 2015 #153
You're not very insightful either. rug Jan 2015 #116
insightful, either tradewinds Jan 2015 #122
QED rug Jan 2015 #123
Tell me exactly what you mean by God Orrex Jan 2015 #133
I'll give you the definition straight from the Baltimore Catechism. rug Jan 2015 #149
What can anyone do with such word salad. tradewinds Jan 2015 #155
If anyone can, it's you. rug Jan 2015 #160
You're probably right. tradewinds Jan 2015 #168
Point out the 'evidence' of your imaginary friend then. AtheistCrusader Jan 2015 #11
Point out what type of evidence you think fits. rug Jan 2015 #12
Let's start with evidence that a supreme supernatural being is required to exist at all. AtheistCrusader Jan 2015 #18
We could, but that would be a philosophical premise, not evidence. rug Jan 2015 #19
I didn't say test. I said evidence. AtheistCrusader Jan 2015 #25
You test a claim by using evidence. rug Jan 2015 #27
Wow, you are terrible at this. AtheistCrusader Jan 2015 #37
This is a fine example of moving the goalposts backwards. rug Jan 2015 #41
False narrative of the chain of questions that led here. Try again. AtheistCrusader Jan 2015 #43
You and Orrex both have demonstarted how it is impossible to have an honest and rational cleanhippie Jan 2015 #83
Of all the monkey-shit-flinging fights we've had, I think *this* was the one that finally got AtheistCrusader Jan 2015 #85
I hate to stereotype, but... cleanhippie Jan 2015 #86
Wait--he's a lawyer?!? And that's how he constructs an argument?!? Orrex Jan 2015 #87
So I've been told. cleanhippie Jan 2015 #88
And he doesn't know what hearsay is? Orrex Jan 2015 #89
Post removed Post removed Jan 2015 #90
Hmm... Now I feel like you might be talking about me... Orrex Jan 2015 #91
Lol. I'm not. I'm simply speaking in generalities about no one in particular. cleanhippie Jan 2015 #92
It's apparent you're not. rug Jan 2015 #98
The evidence is clear that you have no grasp of logic Orrex Jan 2015 #136
I think you've just adequately demonstrated a failure to grasp logic. rug Jan 2015 #145
I assure you that your foolishness is a greater frustration for you than for me Orrex Jan 2015 #148
Lol, of course. rug Jan 2015 #152
I admit that I find religious special-pleaders to be extremely tiresome Orrex Jan 2015 #162
I see. rug Jan 2015 #163
Nope, you're not on it. No one is. rug Jan 2015 #97
Clearly, since you won't address the issue. AtheistCrusader Jan 2015 #100
I have. Sometimes the issue is not what you think it is. rug Jan 2015 #117
OR, sometimes the issue is something you don't want to address, because it invalidates AtheistCrusader Jan 2015 #119
Or, this is not one of those times. rug Jan 2015 #120
It is a means to examine one class of actual material evidence that could establish that there must AtheistCrusader Jan 2015 #125
Why should there be material evidence of a nonmaterial entity? rug Jan 2015 #129
There you go again. AtheistCrusader Jan 2015 #130
That's a much lesser burden. rug Jan 2015 #131
Sure, there's a supernatural group as well. AtheistCrusader Jan 2015 #132
Well, we are in the Religion Group. rug Jan 2015 #158
More of a philosophical thing to me. AtheistCrusader Jan 2015 #171
If you're referring to cour comments to me, it takes two to have an honest discussion. rug Jan 2015 #93
Sup, bro. AtheistCrusader Jan 2015 #82
When you see a reply, you'll know there was something requiring a reply. rug Jan 2015 #94
Yep, allrighty then. AtheistCrusader Jan 2015 #99
Well edhopper Jan 2015 #14
Specific physical claims are subject to evidentiary explanation, when available. rug Jan 2015 #20
I would ask for any evidence that edhopper Jan 2015 #22
Again, that is a philosophical premise. rug Jan 2015 #23
What is a philosophical premise? edhopper Jan 2015 #24
The datum. The most fundamental being "cogito, ergo sum". rug Jan 2015 #28
And it is generally edhopper Jan 2015 #32
The "God of the Gaps" appellation is not a rebuttal. rug Jan 2015 #33
Which often starts with a premise edhopper Jan 2015 #34
"If there is a God who created all" AtheistCrusader Jan 2015 #38
You said that before at 12. rug Jan 2015 #39
I don't know what you're talking about. AtheistCrusader Jan 2015 #40
It's post 18, right below it. rug Jan 2015 #42
Fine. AtheistCrusader Jan 2015 #44
The premise is not about proving or disproving God. It's about a logical fallacy. DetlefK Jan 2015 #30
A logical fallacy does not require evidence. rug Jan 2015 #31
I dunno. I still don't get "choose to believe." Iggo Jan 2015 #13
True edhopper Jan 2015 #16
A good edhopper Jan 2015 #15
It seems there are about 40 replies I can't see. Somebody must have had an upset. Warren Stupidity Jan 2015 #45
That's what you miss edhopper Jan 2015 #49
I wouldn't say I "miss" it... trotsky Jan 2015 #55
Ignorance is bliss. rug Jan 2015 #59
Funny you should bring that up. AtheistCrusader Jan 2015 #60
That's what happens when you (periodically) wear blinders. rug Jan 2015 #51
I guess some just can't stand it when you challenge them. hrmjustin Jan 2015 #56
Well, at least this time he didn't say he was doing it for Advent. rug Jan 2015 #57
Yes that is true. hrmjustin Jan 2015 #58
Wait...don't you have people on your ignore list for the EXACT SAME REASON? Heddi Jan 2015 #74
I have no problem when people challenge me in this room. hrmjustin Jan 2015 #75
because you made an issue of it here and other threads Heddi Jan 2015 #76
It seems to me I was making an observation as warren himself was as well. hrmjustin Jan 2015 #77
Me too, what a coincidence (nt) mr blur Jan 2015 #52
I see it way too much Promethean Jan 2015 #26
Why don't you rebut the argument in your last pararagraph instead of characterizing it? rug Jan 2015 #29
Funny -- rogerashton Jan 2015 #128
As I can't see 116 of those replies I can only guess at the hot mess. Warren Stupidity Jan 2015 #151
UN-hide and live a little. tradewinds Jan 2015 #156
I turned off my ignore list during the Great Host What To Do To Do. Warren Stupidity Jan 2015 #157
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