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Joe Chi Minh

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23. No. I did not get that from matey's speech about science and vaccines.
Thu Jun 16, 2016, 08:17 AM
Jun 2016

You don't have to be Einstein to realise that atheists have an a priori horror of the notion that anything in this universe or elsewhere could not be understood by reasoning. Never mind that paradoxes such as space-time and wave-particle duality are proliferating t an increasing rate, and can only be accepted 'as is', and used by physicists as staging-posts, springboards to further discoveries by the same use of reason that discovered them to be counter-rational.

Here is a bizarre admission of the abysmal lack of integrity of intellectual materialist 'scientists', by Richard Lewontin :
http://creation.com/amazing-admission-lewontin-quote

Of course, atheist prefer to talk in terms of counter-intuitiveness, which is insane, and reduces the speaker to an imbecile. Do you need your intuition to tell you that, on the basis of the superficial, worldly analytical intelligence, something being simultaneously a wave and a particle makes no sense (is counter-rational) ? Just like their a priori repudiation of the Big Bang, the 'fine-tuning of the universe, etc, etc.

Here is another quote from Robert Jastrow :

"There is a strange ring of feeling and emotion in these reactions [of scientists to evidence that the universe had a sudden beginning]. They come from the heart whereas you would expect the judgments to come from the brain. Why? I think part of the answer is that scientists cannot bear the thought of a natural phenomenon which cannot be explained, even with unlimited time and money. There is a kind of religion in science; it is the religion of a person who believes there is order and harmony in the Universe. Every event can be explained in a rational way as the product of some previous event; every effect must have its cause, there is no First Cause. … This religious faith of the scientist is violated by the discovery that the world had a beginning under conditions in which the known laws of physics are not valid, and as a product of forces or circumstances we cannot discover. When that happens, the scientist has lost control. If he really examined the implications, he would be traumatized."

Quantum mechanics, upon which 70 % of modern industry is said to depend, would not even have been discovered, nor ever would be. That is why they are hypocrites and parasites. They are forced to accept the mysterious antithesis of the classical, mechanistic physics of yore, to earn their daily bread.

The Mistrust of Science [View all] rug Jun 2016 OP
Complete bullsh*t. It was Judaeo-Christians and deists who Joe Chi Minh Jun 2016 #1
First, Einstein was a pantheist, not a deist. longship Jun 2016 #2
Actually, qite a few scientists were theists before the founding of the USA. rug Jun 2016 #10
Now, you're starting with the Spinoza bullsh*t. Rather than the Joe Chi Minh Jun 2016 #13
No, one has to actually listen to Einstein to know what he means by Spinoza's god. longship Jun 2016 #18
The funny thing is.... AlbertCat Jun 2016 #28
Oh boy. DetlefK Jun 2016 #3
I presume you're not asserting that atheism is a prerequisite for science. rug Jun 2016 #4
No. DetlefK Jun 2016 #6
Atheists don't claim absolute knowledge. Are you 'agnostic' about Leprechauns? immoderate Jun 2016 #31
Two massive fails there, so truly, your psot cannot be Joe Chi Minh Jun 2016 #14
Oh, come on. One could as well make an argument that "white people" invented science. DetlefK Jun 2016 #21
"Oh, all the big thinkers were religious! It must have been their religion!" So Joe Chi Minh Jun 2016 #24
Confirmation bias. immoderate Jun 2016 #32
You seem to have read a different article muriel_volestrangler Jun 2016 #5
Did you miss this? rug Jun 2016 #8
'divinity and experience and common sense'. It's not attacking experience or common sense, either muriel_volestrangler Jun 2016 #11
I tend to scan posts too quickly. There is a Joe Chi Minh Jun 2016 #15
"True atheist scientists are parasites". You get that from a speech about science and vaccines muriel_volestrangler Jun 2016 #17
No. I was simply 'getting on my high horse' about this business. What Joe Chi Minh Jun 2016 #19
No. I did not get that from matey's speech about science and vaccines. Joe Chi Minh Jun 2016 #23
Most of that post is nonsense, and just an excuse to throw insults like 'imbecile' around muriel_volestrangler Jun 2016 #25
'The great physicist Edwin Hubble, speaking at Caltech’s commencement in 1938, Joe Chi Minh Jun 2016 #20
It was called The Enlightenment edhopper Jun 2016 #7
Tell that to muriel. He's under the impression this has nothing to do with religion. rug Jun 2016 #9
Many did. Igel Jun 2016 #12
And what an epic misnomer it was. With the daily exposure Joe Chi Minh Jun 2016 #22
"so-called Evolution" edhopper Jun 2016 #26
My pleasure. Very civiliised of you. And practical. I don't usually argue. Joe Chi Minh Jun 2016 #29
You don't have to be a 'new earth' scientist to entertain reasonable Joe Chi Minh Jun 2016 #16
Page 6 of this linked article is particularly interesting : Joe Chi Minh Jun 2016 #27
Kick! HuckleB Jun 2016 #30
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