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cpwm17

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92. Anyone that is so full of oneself, such that

Tue Jun 21, 2016, 10:16 PM

Jun 2016

he is willing to harm someone else, for whatever reason, is selfish (unless, perhaps, he is profoundly mentally ill. But then he is sick and not necessarily evil.) That should be self-evident.

People have minds of their own. Anyone that claims their imaginary god told them to murder is only murdering someone out of their own desire to murder. Murderers put themselves above those that they murder.

There's nothing magical about religion, such that, religion makes evil acts not selfish. There's nothing magical about religion, such that, a person murdered in the name of religion is any more dead than someone murdered for any other alleged reason. Evil is evil.

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Isis beheads 4-year-old girl then forces mother to soak hands in her blood after 'swearing to Allah' [View all] skepticscott Jun 2016 OP

This has no more to do with Islamic religion than the Crusaders randr Jun 2016 #1

The Crusaders had much, much to do with Christianity. Not sure where you get your history but Bluenorthwest Jun 2016 #3

An those barbarians were related to the religion of Christ in what manner? randr Jun 2016 #15

The only reason there was a "Holy" Land skepticscott Jun 2016 #26

Does this map suggest to you a reason for the monarchs of western Europe to invade Palestine? rug Jun 2016 #58

Sure: Arabs taking over the Holy Land Brettongarcia Jul 2016 #137

Ah yes, the Greek and Roman religious wars. rug Jul 2016 #138

They had many gods. And opposed others Brettongarcia Jul 2016 #140

Hence, Alexander and the Roman Empire. rug Jul 2016 #142

Religion among other factors Brettongarcia Jul 2016 #147

Oh, dood. Describe the religious impetus to Alexander's empire. rug Jul 2016 #148

Platonism possibly; Brettongarcia Jul 2016 #149

Yes, Platonism was the scourge of ancient times. rug Jul 2016 #150

Plato's ideas became central in Christianity Brettongarcia Jul 2016 #151

Plato poisons everything. rug Jul 2016 #152

Wow. Your naivete is awe inspiring Android3.14 Jun 2016 #31

Which of course explains the millions of four year olds routinely beheaded in the last 2700 years. rug Jun 2016 #59

Islam retains old values. And enacts them today. Brettongarcia Jul 2016 #135

Yo'll need a better source than this to spread that crap. rug Jul 2016 #136

Actually that is an excellent example. The argument I would make though is that still_one Jun 2016 #54

How do you know? trotsky Jun 2016 #5

Pyrrhonism is a poor way to proceed through life. rug Jun 2016 #60

Pyrrhonism is a poor way to proceed through life. AlbertCat Jun 2016 #99

So is peddling bigotry. rug Jun 2016 #109

Post removed Post removed Jun 2016 #112

Back that up, brit. rug Jun 2016 #113

In other words skepticscott Jun 2016 #8

And what would we call it if Christians were to follow the rules of their mythology? randr Jun 2016 #16

Mosaic Law. safeinOhio Jun 2016 #19

Absolutely correct. 840high Jun 2016 #36

while christianity has evolved, sharia law has not changed since inception. MariaThinks Jun 2016 #88

One example of many Major Nikon Jun 2016 #115

The Crusades had quite a lot to do with Christianity. Act_of_Reparation Jun 2016 #22

I think it had more to do with the interpretation randr Jun 2016 #37

That doesn't make sense. Act_of_Reparation Jun 2016 #39

Truth! randr Jun 2016 #51

Again, this doesn't make sense. Act_of_Reparation Jun 2016 #78

I simply do not believe a profession of "religion" qualifies as a practitioner randr Jun 2016 #82

Who defines the real practitioners? Brettongarcia Jul 2016 #143

'had' - 500 years ago. They show what evil can be done in the name of MariaThinks Jun 2016 #89

It's not hard for people to grasp. It's extremely hard for bigots to grasp. rug Jun 2016 #57

It's extremely hard for bigots to grasp. AlbertCat Jun 2016 #100

Do you mean Gordian knot? rug Jun 2016 #108

Do you mean Gordian knot? AlbertCat Jun 2016 #114

When people cite religion as their motive constantly... Brettongarcia Jul 2016 #146

because the crusades were 500 years ago and Christianity has evolved. Anyone who uses the crusades MariaThinks Jun 2016 #87

The main subject here is Islam, say Brettongarcia Jul 2016 #139

I'm getting to the point where I don't believe a lot of this stuff CanonRay Jun 2016 #2

And these examples, true or not, are seized upon as triumphant truth. rug Jun 2016 #61

It has everything to do with religion of any kind. pennylane100 Jun 2016 #4

This message was self-deleted by its author rjsquirrel Jun 2016 #6

Please don't put words in my mouth skepticscott Jun 2016 #7

This message was self-deleted by its author rjsquirrel Jun 2016 #9

Here is what you tried to attribute to me skepticscott Jun 2016 #11

This message was self-deleted by its author rjsquirrel Jun 2016 #13

Sorry, but trying to attribute a position to someone skepticscott Jun 2016 #17

Why are you putting words in his mouth? Leontius Jun 2016 #41

Post removed Post removed Jun 2016 #44

First answer why you act in such an uncivil way by putting words in another posters mouth Leontius Jun 2016 #49

The other poster skepticscott Jun 2016 #73

This is typical of you you will not answer a direct question when asked Leontius Jun 2016 #111

This message was self-deleted by its author cleanhippie Jun 2016 #128

This message was self-deleted by its author cleanhippie Jun 2016 #127

This usually happens by the third post of rebuttal. rug Jun 2016 #62

And when you couple the fact that none of the horror and evil you attribute to religion Leontius Jun 2016 #42

It leaves us with the fact skepticscott Jun 2016 #43

Greed, power, the need to dominate. Leontius Jun 2016 #48

Selfishness is the cause of all evil in this world. cpwm17 Jun 2016 #64

So what was Omar Mateen skepticscott Jun 2016 #75

I didn't say religion had nothing to do with any evil in this world. cpwm17 Jun 2016 #79

It's easy to SAY everything evil is selfish skepticscott Jun 2016 #83

Anyone that is so full of oneself, such that cpwm17 Jun 2016 #92

"...religion can give assholes excuses" PassingFair Jun 2016 #105

Look Dorian Gray Jun 2016 #95

The focus on evil allegedly motivated by religion, particularly Islam cpwm17 Jun 2016 #97

The reason it may appear some are "indifferent" to other bad things in the world... trotsky Jun 2016 #107

Then it's a good thing you're the only one saying that. rug Jun 2016 #110

"How do any of those acts impugn all the millions or billions of adherents of those religions?" trotsky Jun 2016 #10

This message was self-deleted by its author rjsquirrel Jun 2016 #12

Look through older threads in this group. There are plenty of examples of what you asked for. cleanhippie Jun 2016 #20

This message was self-deleted by its author rjsquirrel Jun 2016 #24

When has mass violence skepticscott Jun 2016 #25

About that meme, are you saying atheism had NOTHING to do with the systematic outlawing of religion? rug Jun 2016 #66

Several reasons whatthehey Jun 2016 #30

New in these parts? Haven't seen this before round here? mr blur Jun 2016 #35

Seems our "scientist" friend skepticscott Jun 2016 #45

I see a theme. rug Jun 2016 #67

Surely you can point to one, then. rug Jun 2016 #65

That's no straw man. trotsky Jun 2016 #21

For instance, I was asked to consider the "economic factors" that led to ISIS stoning a woman muriel_volestrangler Jun 2016 #38

And? rjsquirrel Jun 2016 #46

Stoning is torture, not a "complex social phenomenon" muriel_volestrangler Jun 2016 #50

This message was self-deleted by its author rjsquirrel Jun 2016 #53

You're being dishonest muriel. rug Jun 2016 #69

Why should anyone start at #20? The explicit religious reasoning is given in the OP muriel_volestrangler Jun 2016 #71

Becase that was about the causes of violence, not stoinng a woman for adultery. rug Jun 2016 #72

No, the thread and sub-thread were about a specific stoning, not some general "causes of violence" muriel_volestrangler Jun 2016 #80

The violence is part of the human condition. AlbertCat Jun 2016 #103

Our friend here assumes skepticscott Jun 2016 #18

Ok, trotsky. How many of the billions of adherents are you willing to say it does impugn? rug Jun 2016 #63

This message was self-deleted by its author rjsquirrel Jun 2016 #68

Yes, that's who I replied to - "trotsky". rug Jun 2016 #70

lol.. EvilAL Jun 2016 #74

it would probably be a good idea EvilAL Jun 2016 #77

"How do any of those acts impugn all the millions or billions of adherents of those religions?" AlbertCat Jun 2016 #101

Because that's what the adherents want! trotsky Jun 2016 #123

I'm aware that ISIS is responsible for some horrific acts, but I would need more than an Arkansas Granny Jun 2016 #14

I'll agree that the story's authenticity is questionable. Act_of_Reparation Jun 2016 #23

Religion is always involved in war. peace13 Jun 2016 #27

Its getting worse on both sides LiberalLovinLug Jun 2016 #28

I agree! peace13 Jun 2016 #29

ISIS is a fringe doomsday-cult, unrelated to what the vast majority of Muslims think. DetlefK Jun 2016 #32

Which only means that they are among the worst skepticscott Jun 2016 #34

"cherry-picked parts of the Quran, intentionally ignoring other parts" trotsky Jun 2016 #40

You say that as if cherry-picking your religious belief isn't standard-practice. DetlefK Jun 2016 #93

Of course it is. That's the whole point. trotsky Jun 2016 #98

This is where we disagree. stone space Jun 2016 #130

"justified" <> "preference" trotsky Jun 2016 #132

The Theologian-Generals of Saddam's old Ba'athist Party are not always justified in their choices. stone space Jul 2016 #133

Wow, you finally got reinstated? trotsky Jul 2016 #134

What does it mean to be reinstated? stone space Jul 2016 #141

Post removed Post removed Jul 2016 #144

Why the personal insults and attacks? What has you so upset? (nt) stone space Jul 2016 #145

How horrific MFM008 Jun 2016 #33

just like the INQUISITION was christian. fortunately there was no teevee for that. pansypoo53219 Jun 2016 #47

What is the verification of this account? randr Jun 2016 #52

Religious perversion. Not religion. applegrove Jun 2016 #55

So what is the difference? skepticscott Jun 2016 #76

Genocide and terrorism are not religious expression. They are war crimes and crimes. applegrove Jun 2016 #85

Silly argument skepticscott Jun 2016 #90

My understanding of religious expression does not include genocide or terrorism. Those may have applegrove Jun 2016 #91

"They are not acceptable religious expression today"? mr blur Jun 2016 #96

My point is what is acceptable in religion changes. Canada had residential schools for applegrove Jun 2016 #106

No true Scotsman Major Nikon Jun 2016 #116

No true argument. rug Jun 2016 #117

Thanks for the demonstrably wrong opinion Major Nikon Jun 2016 #118

Ah, so you consider the trite "No True Scotman" a demonstrably right opinion. rug Jun 2016 #119

Sure, pointing out logical fallacies are so trite they can be dismissed with "No true argument" Major Nikon Jun 2016 #120

Except you didn't. You recited one. You didn't demonstrate one. rug Jun 2016 #121

Not playing these games today Major Nikon Jun 2016 #122

But of course, this had EVERYTHING to do with religion. rug Jun 2016 #56

Looks like a propagamda hit piece and the site has a nasty popup Warpy Jun 2016 #81

From your link: "story could not be confirmed" struggle4progress Jun 2016 #84

Horrible MariaThinks Jun 2016 #86

Jesus. Dorian Gray Jun 2016 #94

Christians blow heads of children off and think they have the moral high ground. Sorry. Hoyt Jun 2016 #102

Wow. Is this kind of thing typical? cheapdate Jun 2016 #104

When it comes to irrational beliefs and wacky rituals, it's very typical for religion. cleanhippie Jun 2016 #124

Oh well, what can you do, right? cheapdate Jun 2016 #125

Call it out and marginalize it. cleanhippie Jun 2016 #126

It probably didn't happen. cpwm17 Jun 2016 #129

As terrible as ISIS is I'm kind of skeptical of this story ButterflyBlood Jun 2016 #131