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Brian Zahnd: No, God didnt command genocide in the Old Testament [View all] guillaumeb Aug 2017 OP

Ignore the awful crap! Voltaire2 Aug 2017 #1

You have an interesting viewpoint. eom guillaumeb Aug 2017 #2

Take a look at where Christianity was at before Voltaire2 Aug 2017 #4

Where was Christianity in 30CE? guillaumeb Aug 2017 #8

If you are claiming no one else teached peace edhopper Aug 2017 #14

Not what I claimed. Not what I said either. guillaumeb Aug 2017 #15

Then I have no idea what you were saying edhopper Aug 2017 #16

I said that I found the opinion interesting. guillaumeb Aug 2017 #49

I mean about where Christianity was 30 CE? edhopper Aug 2017 #62

I explained to another poster in #53 guillaumeb Aug 2017 #64

Nowhere. Act_of_Reparation Aug 2017 #20

It existed in the message of Jesus. guillaumeb Aug 2017 #53

Composition fallacy. Act_of_Reparation Aug 2017 #54

The message of Jesus is the message of Christianity. eom guillaumeb Aug 2017 #55

Well the point is that for the next 1600 years Voltaire2 Aug 2017 #65

Violence has occurred in all of recorded history. guillaumeb Aug 2017 #67

I blame humans. Voltaire2 Aug 2017 #78

The evidence for the message of Jesus? guillaumeb Aug 2017 #80

Well there is ample disagreement on even what those alleged words might be. Voltaire2 Aug 2017 #83

Well, as you know, the post represents one person's opinion. guillaumeb Aug 2017 #87

So we are down to "that's just your opinion,man"? Voltaire2 Aug 2017 #90

Again, a composition fallacy. Act_of_Reparation Sep 2017 #92

Nowhere and all over the planet. AtheistCrusader Aug 2017 #37

Talking about an actual year with Christianity is not very useful muriel_volestrangler Sep 2017 #100

I am accepting the narrative of 30CE as the beginning of the public ministry. eom guillaumeb Sep 2017 #102

That isn't so, for centuries Christianity was largely persecuted and hidden away, and very braddy Sep 2017 #127

Not historically accurate. Voltaire2 Sep 2017 #134

You seem to be mostly in agreement with what I posted, people ignore the first centuries of braddy Sep 2017 #137

Er no I think we disagree. Voltaire2 Sep 2017 #138

I'm not aware of any Christian wars or Christian nations from the early centuries that you keep braddy Sep 2017 #142

You're looking for the wrong things in the wrong places. Act_of_Reparation Sep 2017 #143

There weren't Christian nations until Rome. Voltaire2 Sep 2017 #144

You seem to have your very own history. braddy Sep 2017 #145

That's what it pretty much boils down to Bradical79 Sep 2017 #108

Command it? Committed it. MineralMan Aug 2017 #3

I find your quote interesting Angry Dragon Aug 2017 #5

It's a very well-known verse. MineralMan Aug 2017 #22

The god of the bible created satan, and allows it to continue to exist. AtheistCrusader Aug 2017 #36

Well, it's all mythology, as far as I'm concerned, MineralMan Aug 2017 #39

Agreed AtheistCrusader Aug 2017 #40

Choice zipplewrath Aug 2017 #41

That we have the ability to chose is not in question. MineralMan Aug 2017 #42

Well, now you're talking in circles zipplewrath Aug 2017 #45

It is one verse I missed ........... plan to use it often Angry Dragon Aug 2017 #47

There are apologetics for that verse, of course. MineralMan Aug 2017 #48

+1 HubbleSN Aug 2017 #6

If one is a Biblical literalist, one will insist on a literal interpretation. guillaumeb Aug 2017 #7

I'm not such a literalist, but MineralMan Aug 2017 #23

I do not read it literally. guillaumeb Aug 2017 #51

OK. Whatever you say. MineralMan Aug 2017 #52

There's a middle ground between 'this is true word for word' and 'hey the first half of this entire AtheistCrusader Aug 2017 #57

A Biblical literalist generally accepts that each word of the Bible is the inspired guillaumeb Aug 2017 #59

I get allegory. What I don't get is classifying everything one doesn't like AtheistCrusader Aug 2017 #68

You provided a quotation: guillaumeb Aug 2017 #71

It is an interesting choice of idea, if that's the case. AtheistCrusader Aug 2017 #75

To figuratively separate the Christian from the non-Christian. guillaumeb Aug 2017 #79

So he came to divide, not unify. AtheistCrusader Aug 2017 #82

No, He came with a message that not all would accept. eom guillaumeb Aug 2017 #86

Not required. AtheistCrusader Sep 2017 #93

I don't accept that humans are deeply flawed creatures who must beg for forgiveness from a god, trotsky Sep 2017 #94

Yep. Marketing 101 Pope George Ringo II Sep 2017 #95

So true! trotsky Sep 2017 #96

Nor do I. eom guillaumeb Sep 2017 #97

Without the notion of sin and forgiveness, Christianity has no foundation. trotsky Sep 2017 #135

Your question PJMcK Sep 2017 #105

Like most deities, the Judeo-Christian-Islamic one is MineralMan Sep 2017 #107

Millions of Christians are. trotsky Aug 2017 #25

It would be difficult to be a literalist. raven mad Aug 2017 #28

Actually, it's pretty easy. trotsky Aug 2017 #30

LOL!................ I used to argue this stuff with a Jesuit........... raven mad Aug 2017 #31

No you don't Lordquinton Aug 2017 #32

Now, just how many giggles do I have to post? raven mad Aug 2017 #34

Wiggle wiggle wiggle wiggle wiggle wiggle Lordquinton Aug 2017 #43

Feeble deflection. There are whole books in the bible that are nothing but bloodshed on behalf of or AtheistCrusader Aug 2017 #38

True, but remember it was NOT worldwide - raven mad Aug 2017 #46

Actually that isn't quite what it means. Voltaire2 Aug 2017 #69

So nothing in the Bible is literally true edhopper Aug 2017 #9

See #7 for my view. guillaumeb Aug 2017 #10

The author is a edhopper Aug 2017 #11

I disagree with your reading. eom guillaumeb Aug 2017 #12

I have no doubt of that edhopper Aug 2017 #13

You are shying away from the main point of the article you posted muriel_volestrangler Sep 2017 #109

I would say that you missed the point entirely. guillaumeb Sep 2017 #110

You said in #12 that you disagree that Zahnd is a New Testament literalist muriel_volestrangler Sep 2017 #111

The New Testament contains far more than the Gospels. guillaumeb Sep 2017 #112

I think he's pointing out the arbitrary nature Bradical79 Sep 2017 #121

Belief is the reason. guillaumeb Sep 2017 #124

Well done, you justified every version of Christianity equally. trotsky Sep 2017 #136

In fairness to guillaumeb marylandblue Sep 2017 #139

I of course am not disputing that in any way. trotsky Sep 2017 #140

Yes Martin Luther opened a big can of worms marylandblue Sep 2017 #141

you make nothing clear in your posts Angry Dragon Aug 2017 #17

What clarity do you expect in this group? guillaumeb Aug 2017 #50

Plenty of clarity is to be found in reason, fact-based historical research and an open mind Bradshaw3 Aug 2017 #56

"Original intent" is a subject that inspires guillaumeb Aug 2017 #58

Some would be wrong Bradshaw3 Aug 2017 #60

And, as I have stated before this, faith demands no proof. guillaumeb Aug 2017 #61

You are certainly entitled to that belief Bradshaw3 Aug 2017 #63

I mentioned in the original post that I found this to be an interesting opinion. guillaumeb Aug 2017 #66

Except that it's not up to non-believers to prove anything Bradshaw3 Aug 2017 #72

It is not incumbent on anyone to prove any beliefs. guillaumeb Aug 2017 #73

Never said it was - as long as they admit it is just belief and not fact based Bradshaw3 Aug 2017 #85

I do spend time here, and interestingly enough, many non-theists devote far more time here. guillaumeb Aug 2017 #89

As you have stated incorrectly in prior conversations Lordquinton Sep 2017 #113

And, as I have pointed out repeatedly, guillaumeb Sep 2017 #114

But I have no belief edhopper Sep 2017 #115

Just out of curiosity, I have to ask: Pope George Ringo II Sep 2017 #116

In hopes of satisfying your curiosity, guillaumeb Sep 2017 #117

You keep using that word. Wikipedia does not think it means what you think it means. Pope George Ringo II Sep 2017 #118

But the definition that you cite as evidence guillaumeb Sep 2017 #119

Technically, that's the definition you cited when you went to Wikipedia. I just used the right word Pope George Ringo II Sep 2017 #120

No one believes as anyone else Angry Dragon Aug 2017 #70

And what's true about Jesus Igel Aug 2017 #19

Except he kinda did. beam me up scottie Aug 2017 #18

Inconvenient, that, isn't it? MineralMan Aug 2017 #24

I suggest a rereading of the entire article. guillaumeb Aug 2017 #76

(Sarcasm On) Sure he didn't...(Sarcasm Off) NeoGreen Aug 2017 #21

No, see, it's simple. trotsky Aug 2017 #26

Nuts... NeoGreen Aug 2017 #29

I'm kind of weird. raven mad Aug 2017 #44

Ummmmmmmmmmmmm - raven mad Aug 2017 #27

Only 2/3 crazy? ;-) trotsky Aug 2017 #33

Well, you have to make allowances. raven mad Aug 2017 #35

Book of Revelations anybody?... uriel1972 Aug 2017 #74

And? guillaumeb Aug 2017 #77

rivers of fire, extermination of mankind... uriel1972 Sep 2017 #98

The use of allegory is an important part of the article. guillaumeb Sep 2017 #99

So what's your position on Jesus himself? marylandblue Sep 2017 #101

It is allegory, and truth at the same time. guillaumeb Sep 2017 #103

fair enough. marylandblue Sep 2017 #104

No he COMMITTED genocide tymorial Aug 2017 #81

If it is believed is the key. guillaumeb Sep 2017 #106

What is it an allegory for? Lordquinton Sep 2017 #122

The meaning is "God's Gonna Getcha for That" MineralMan Sep 2017 #123

This might help: guillaumeb Sep 2017 #126

My interpretation? guillaumeb Sep 2017 #125

That took a lot of words to say not much of anything Lordquinton Sep 2017 #128

If you read the entire article, guillaumeb Sep 2017 #129

I did read the entire article Lordquinton Sep 2017 #130

It is one interpretation. guillaumeb Sep 2017 #131

What would this group be like Lordquinton Sep 2017 #132

A different group. guillaumeb Sep 2017 #133

Symbolic cleansing Lordquinton Sep 2017 #146

It does make allegorical sense. guillaumeb Sep 2017 #147

It's a good allegory Lordquinton Sep 2017 #148

Looks like you found a better forum for this post bobbieinok Aug 2017 #84

Hello. The Religion Group is a very busy place. Many of the responders are non-theists, guillaumeb Aug 2017 #88

Thanks for the reply bobbieinok Sep 2017 #91