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marylandblue

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7. Yallerdawg quotes them

Thu Apr 5, 2018, 08:40 PM

Apr 2018

"We challenge the position that the preeminent moral issues are prayer in public schools, abortion, and property rights." Not saying they are now pro-choice personally, but rather they want to drop it as a political issue, so they are de facto pro-choice. Like Conor Lamb and Tim Kaine.

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So I went over to Reverend Barber's website [View all] marylandblue Apr 2018 OP

Demagoguery is a powerful force Major Nikon Apr 2018 #1

How is Rev Barber a demagogue? mahina Apr 2018 #128

The point was just because something is a powerful force... Major Nikon Apr 2018 #129

Religion has always played a large role in MineralMan Apr 2018 #2

They are not inquiring into your beliefs now marylandblue Apr 2018 #5

Sure, if I supported the cause. MineralMan Apr 2018 #15

The abolition of slavery was also often based on religious grounds DBoon Apr 2018 #55

And so was retaining slavery. Slavery had strong support MineralMan Apr 2018 #57

"Who We Are" yallerdawg Apr 2018 #3

Personally I don't think I could sit through a speech like that marylandblue Apr 2018 #8

In the South... yallerdawg Apr 2018 #12

Amen Brother!! guillaumeb Apr 2018 #24

I dont see Eko Apr 2018 #4

Yallerdawg quotes them marylandblue Apr 2018 #7

Actually that quote doesnt say they are for or against abortion. Eko Apr 2018 #11

Yeah you are right it doesn't come out and say it marylandblue Apr 2018 #16

See post 4 Eko Apr 2018 #17

Well that's a good thing marylandblue Apr 2018 #19

Yup. Eko Apr 2018 #21

The moral foundations of religion are simply too ephemeral to build much on them Pope George Ringo II Apr 2018 #6

Human history says... yallerdawg Apr 2018 #9

Past performance is no guarantee of future results Major Nikon Apr 2018 #13

Religion is still a force in America today marylandblue Apr 2018 #18

As a political force it only goes one direction Major Nikon Apr 2018 #32

Politics are ephemeral, and can make strange bedfellows too. marylandblue Apr 2018 #10

Politics can do that, seldom to its credit. Pope George Ringo II Apr 2018 #14

So what do you do with religious people who share your politics? marylandblue Apr 2018 #20

Find common ground with them outside their religion Pope George Ringo II Apr 2018 #23

American political parties are always alliances of disparate groups marylandblue Apr 2018 #34

I'm still not saying they shouldn't have a seat at the table. Pope George Ringo II Apr 2018 #36

A revealing pronouncement about something. guillaumeb Apr 2018 #25

Protestant work ethic preceded Objectivism Voltaire2 Apr 2018 #48

Those ideas were around long before Ayn Rand Mariana Apr 2018 #51

Recommended. guillaumeb Apr 2018 #22

Religious voters did not bring us the PGIC...rigged voting did. Ferrets are Cool Apr 2018 #26

Obviously there are plenty of religious democrats marylandblue Apr 2018 #28

Thank you for taking the time to explain. Ferrets are Cool Apr 2018 #29

It doesn't almost read like that. Mariana Apr 2018 #33

You suggest religious Democrats don't matter? yallerdawg Apr 2018 #38

I suggest nothing of the kind. Mariana Apr 2018 #39

Movements to deliver more religious Democrats. yallerdawg Apr 2018 #40

I agree. Mariana Apr 2018 #41

You never know what the future will bring. yallerdawg Apr 2018 #42

Significant bets? Like what? nt. Mariana Apr 2018 #45

Religious voters are overwhelmingly reliable Voltaire2 Apr 2018 #49

I like that they're including secular arguments. Mariana Apr 2018 #27

From the looks of the website, they will mine the Bible and other religious texts marylandblue Apr 2018 #43

40 days of civil disobedience will begin on Mothers Day. Tanuki Apr 2018 #44

"...I chose not to denigrate Brother Graham..." Mariana Apr 2018 #46

I think Barber is implying Graham is a hypocryte, marylandblue Apr 2018 #47

Maybe that's what he meant, but that's not what he said. Mariana Apr 2018 #50

Christians use the word "faith" a lot but it has many meanings marylandblue Apr 2018 #63

There's no need to tie yourself up in semantic knots trying to make excuses for this stuff. Act_of_Reparation Apr 2018 #64

I am not tying myself up in knots marylandblue Apr 2018 #67

Well, if it isn't explicit, I guess it doesn't exist. Act_of_Reparation Apr 2018 #80

That really has nothing to do with my point marylandblue Apr 2018 #82

It has everything to do with your point. Act_of_Reparation Apr 2018 #83

Please provide empirical evidence that marylandblue Apr 2018 #84

Empirical proof? Act_of_Reparation Apr 2018 #85

You mentioned empirical evidence marylandblue Apr 2018 #87

"I offered you alternative explanations" Act_of_Reparation Apr 2018 #94

No, I told you what I thought he meant marylandblue Apr 2018 #95

I don't just disagree. Act_of_Reparation Apr 2018 #97

Obviously we disagree on that too marylandblue Apr 2018 #98

Here's a nit to pick: "This is not Christianity." trotsky Apr 2018 #86

Yes they all argue about what "true" Christianity is marylandblue Apr 2018 #88

"the side of the inclusive and progressive version" trotsky Apr 2018 #89

Yes, but he has his faults too marylandblue Apr 2018 #90

So you're against his Christianity and in favor of Barber's only? n/t trotsky Apr 2018 #91

I think they have a lot in common politically marylandblue Apr 2018 #92

So whose Christianity is the best? trotsky Apr 2018 #96

It might be he meant it differently. Mariana Apr 2018 #68

Yes, he does choose his words carefully marylandblue Apr 2018 #69

Of course we aren't his target audience Mariana Apr 2018 #93

As an atheist PoorMonger Apr 2018 #30

I'm An atheist now but for years was a member of the Assembly of God church. njhoneybadger Apr 2018 #31

Im fine with it but it is exclusionary. Voltaire2 Apr 2018 #35

I agree it's exclusionary marylandblue Apr 2018 #37

Yes. It is called marketing to an audience and it works. dameatball Apr 2018 #53

It is indeed a good thing. We need many voices with many messages, but all with one big message. dameatball Apr 2018 #52

They can preach politics. Mariana Apr 2018 #58

I also thought they could do endorsements now.....no? Seems like I read it "somewhere".....:) dameatball Apr 2018 #60

You read right, they are in fact doing endorsements. Mariana Apr 2018 #61

Matthew 5:1-12 alfredo Apr 2018 #54

I dont think he is courting atheists per se Qutzupalotl Apr 2018 #56

Everyone has his own idea of what consititute good works. Mariana Apr 2018 #59

I cannot prove they are wrong Qutzupalotl Apr 2018 #62

Conclusions are important. Act_of_Reparation Apr 2018 #65

You may have it backwards. yallerdawg Apr 2018 #66

Morality is a very fluid term. guillaumeb Apr 2018 #71

Basic morality is almost universal. Voltaire2 Apr 2018 #77

What you call basic morality is species preservation. guillaumeb Apr 2018 #78

No shit. Act_of_Reparation Apr 2018 #79

PLease explain. guillaumeb Apr 2018 #99

You need me to explain how "Because God says 'No'" is unreliable moral metric? Act_of_Reparation Apr 2018 #100

What are these unreliable means, and the reliable ones? guillaumeb Apr 2018 #105

What do *you* think they are? Act_of_Reparation Apr 2018 #114

An accusation on your part. guillaumeb Apr 2018 #118

Yes and no. Act_of_Reparation Apr 2018 #123

Further confirmation of my point. guillaumeb Apr 2018 #124

Yeah, poor you. Act_of_Reparation Apr 2018 #125

Ah yes, the leading question argument. guillaumeb Apr 2018 #126

How many religions are there in the world, gil? trotsky Apr 2018 #102

How many philosophies are there? guillaumeb Apr 2018 #106

This is the Religion Group, Gil. Mariana Apr 2018 #109

The topic is religion. trotsky Apr 2018 #116

I've asked some religious people in this group Mariana Apr 2018 #108

You sound confused. guillaumeb Apr 2018 #110

Just curious. Mariana Apr 2018 #111

Is the question: guillaumeb Apr 2018 #112

How insulting. trotsky Apr 2018 #117

You also sound confused. guillaumeb Apr 2018 #119

Does insulting others make Jesus proud of you, gil? trotsky Apr 2018 #120

That was an observation, and an opinion. guillaumeb Apr 2018 #121

However you need justify your behavior to yourself, gil. trotsky Apr 2018 #122

we need to retake the bible back to where it belongs. pansypoo53219 Apr 2018 #70

It could be done. Mariana Apr 2018 #75

Here's an example of how it could be done. Mariana Apr 2018 #76

To the Bronze Age? Act_of_Reparation Apr 2018 #81

Did you know that Barber was the President of the NC NAACP? nclib Apr 2018 #72

Yes I've been following him since his days in NC marylandblue Apr 2018 #73

Same here. nclib Apr 2018 #74

If they oppose Rump the Nazi fascist traitor, I dont care if they have wings and Eliot Rosewater Apr 2018 #101

Barber's Christianity is more in line with what I was taught when I was young. CrispyQ Apr 2018 #103

There are too few atheists to take them into accoutn as a religious constituency. DetlefK Apr 2018 #104

It was pointed out in another thread Mariana Apr 2018 #107

Recommended. guillaumeb Apr 2018 #113

It's more of a quibble, but I am okay with it marylandblue Apr 2018 #115

Heres a link to the New Yorker interview. Its 24 minutes long and will run w other windows open. mahina Apr 2018 #127