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Tanuki

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44. 40 days of civil disobedience will begin on Mothers Day.
Fri Apr 6, 2018, 02:33 PM
Apr 2018

Barber has been speaking truth to "religious right wingers" for years.
https://www.google.com/amp/amp.charlotteobserver.com/living/religion/article167532207.html

..."On what he’d say to evangelical clergy who have supported President Trump. After Charlottesville, several of them spoke out against bigotry, though some – including Franklin Graham – did not mention the neo-Nazis or the KKK by name:

“I would say the same to my fellow preachers: yes, we must call racists to repentance. But it's cheap grace and hypocrisy to both say you renounce racism and continue to defend the systemic racism that is anti-immigrant, anti-black, anti-LGBTQ and anti-Muslim. Do what Jesus said: show fruit worthy of your repentance.”

On fellow North Carolinian Franklin Graham, a fellow preacher with very different views:

“Well, he’s my brother in the human family. I have actually met with him with a group of clergy. We challenged him for always castigating President Obama. I will say to you what one of my professors at Duke taught me: Whenever you claim that you’ve had an experience of being born again, changed, transformed by Christ and it does not produce a quarrel with the world – a quarrel with policies that exacerbate and create poverty, a quarrel with those who would see other human beings die for the lack of health care, a quarrel with systemic racism and injustice, a quarrel with those, in a land of immigrants, who want to deport and destroy the lives of immigrants, a quarrel with those who want to destroy, dismiss and label the LGBTQ community as something other than God’s creation – then my professor taught me and what I believe now is that it renders your claims of faith terribly suspect. Because you cannot find legitimate Scriptural support for that kind of narrow interpretation of morality. I chose not to denigrate Brother Graham, but I will challenge him to remember that Jesus’ first sermon began with good news to the poor. There’s no way to claim to be with Jesus and to not be with the poor.”

On what role Charlotte’s faith community should play to bring systemic change to the city almost a year after the police shooting of Keith Lamont Scott:
.....

“I think the faith community anywhere has a prophetic role to stand with, speak up with the poor, the marginalized, the stranger and to challenge injustice at the seats of power. We are not merely to be the chaplains of the society.”

On what we’ll see in Washington and in 25 state capitals during the first 40 days of the Poor People’s campaign in 2018:

“We will be having civil disobedience and direct action. It will happen simultaneously. The weeks (during the campaign) will be agenda-based. You will see people coming together at these capitals demanding that policy changes be made – poor people, activists, clergy. "....(more)

Demagoguery is a powerful force Major Nikon Apr 2018 #1
How is Rev Barber a demagogue? mahina Apr 2018 #128
The point was just because something is a powerful force... Major Nikon Apr 2018 #129
Religion has always played a large role in MineralMan Apr 2018 #2
They are not inquiring into your beliefs now marylandblue Apr 2018 #5
Sure, if I supported the cause. MineralMan Apr 2018 #15
The abolition of slavery was also often based on religious grounds DBoon Apr 2018 #55
And so was retaining slavery. Slavery had strong support MineralMan Apr 2018 #57
"Who We Are" yallerdawg Apr 2018 #3
Personally I don't think I could sit through a speech like that marylandblue Apr 2018 #8
In the South... yallerdawg Apr 2018 #12
Amen Brother!! guillaumeb Apr 2018 #24
I dont see Eko Apr 2018 #4
Yallerdawg quotes them marylandblue Apr 2018 #7
Actually that quote doesnt say they are for or against abortion. Eko Apr 2018 #11
Yeah you are right it doesn't come out and say it marylandblue Apr 2018 #16
See post 4 Eko Apr 2018 #17
Well that's a good thing marylandblue Apr 2018 #19
Yup. Eko Apr 2018 #21
The moral foundations of religion are simply too ephemeral to build much on them Pope George Ringo II Apr 2018 #6
Human history says... yallerdawg Apr 2018 #9
Past performance is no guarantee of future results Major Nikon Apr 2018 #13
Religion is still a force in America today marylandblue Apr 2018 #18
As a political force it only goes one direction Major Nikon Apr 2018 #32
Politics are ephemeral, and can make strange bedfellows too. marylandblue Apr 2018 #10
Politics can do that, seldom to its credit. Pope George Ringo II Apr 2018 #14
So what do you do with religious people who share your politics? marylandblue Apr 2018 #20
Find common ground with them outside their religion Pope George Ringo II Apr 2018 #23
American political parties are always alliances of disparate groups marylandblue Apr 2018 #34
I'm still not saying they shouldn't have a seat at the table. Pope George Ringo II Apr 2018 #36
A revealing pronouncement about something. guillaumeb Apr 2018 #25
Protestant work ethic preceded Objectivism Voltaire2 Apr 2018 #48
Those ideas were around long before Ayn Rand Mariana Apr 2018 #51
Recommended. guillaumeb Apr 2018 #22
Religious voters did not bring us the PGIC...rigged voting did. Ferrets are Cool Apr 2018 #26
Obviously there are plenty of religious democrats marylandblue Apr 2018 #28
Thank you for taking the time to explain. Ferrets are Cool Apr 2018 #29
It doesn't almost read like that. Mariana Apr 2018 #33
You suggest religious Democrats don't matter? yallerdawg Apr 2018 #38
I suggest nothing of the kind. Mariana Apr 2018 #39
Movements to deliver more religious Democrats. yallerdawg Apr 2018 #40
I agree. Mariana Apr 2018 #41
You never know what the future will bring. yallerdawg Apr 2018 #42
Significant bets? Like what? nt. Mariana Apr 2018 #45
Religious voters are overwhelmingly reliable Voltaire2 Apr 2018 #49
I like that they're including secular arguments. Mariana Apr 2018 #27
From the looks of the website, they will mine the Bible and other religious texts marylandblue Apr 2018 #43
40 days of civil disobedience will begin on Mothers Day. Tanuki Apr 2018 #44
"...I chose not to denigrate Brother Graham..." Mariana Apr 2018 #46
I think Barber is implying Graham is a hypocryte, marylandblue Apr 2018 #47
Maybe that's what he meant, but that's not what he said. Mariana Apr 2018 #50
Christians use the word "faith" a lot but it has many meanings marylandblue Apr 2018 #63
There's no need to tie yourself up in semantic knots trying to make excuses for this stuff. Act_of_Reparation Apr 2018 #64
I am not tying myself up in knots marylandblue Apr 2018 #67
Well, if it isn't explicit, I guess it doesn't exist. Act_of_Reparation Apr 2018 #80
That really has nothing to do with my point marylandblue Apr 2018 #82
It has everything to do with your point. Act_of_Reparation Apr 2018 #83
Please provide empirical evidence that marylandblue Apr 2018 #84
Empirical proof? Act_of_Reparation Apr 2018 #85
You mentioned empirical evidence marylandblue Apr 2018 #87
"I offered you alternative explanations" Act_of_Reparation Apr 2018 #94
No, I told you what I thought he meant marylandblue Apr 2018 #95
I don't just disagree. Act_of_Reparation Apr 2018 #97
Obviously we disagree on that too marylandblue Apr 2018 #98
Here's a nit to pick: "This is not Christianity." trotsky Apr 2018 #86
Yes they all argue about what "true" Christianity is marylandblue Apr 2018 #88
"the side of the inclusive and progressive version" trotsky Apr 2018 #89
Yes, but he has his faults too marylandblue Apr 2018 #90
So you're against his Christianity and in favor of Barber's only? n/t trotsky Apr 2018 #91
I think they have a lot in common politically marylandblue Apr 2018 #92
So whose Christianity is the best? trotsky Apr 2018 #96
It might be he meant it differently. Mariana Apr 2018 #68
Yes, he does choose his words carefully marylandblue Apr 2018 #69
Of course we aren't his target audience Mariana Apr 2018 #93
As an atheist PoorMonger Apr 2018 #30
I'm An atheist now but for years was a member of the Assembly of God church. njhoneybadger Apr 2018 #31
Im fine with it but it is exclusionary. Voltaire2 Apr 2018 #35
I agree it's exclusionary marylandblue Apr 2018 #37
Yes. It is called marketing to an audience and it works. dameatball Apr 2018 #53
It is indeed a good thing. We need many voices with many messages, but all with one big message. dameatball Apr 2018 #52
They can preach politics. Mariana Apr 2018 #58
I also thought they could do endorsements now.....no? Seems like I read it "somewhere".....:) dameatball Apr 2018 #60
You read right, they are in fact doing endorsements. Mariana Apr 2018 #61
Matthew 5:1-12 alfredo Apr 2018 #54
I dont think he is courting atheists per se Qutzupalotl Apr 2018 #56
Everyone has his own idea of what consititute good works. Mariana Apr 2018 #59
I cannot prove they are wrong Qutzupalotl Apr 2018 #62
Conclusions are important. Act_of_Reparation Apr 2018 #65
You may have it backwards. yallerdawg Apr 2018 #66
Morality is a very fluid term. guillaumeb Apr 2018 #71
Basic morality is almost universal. Voltaire2 Apr 2018 #77
What you call basic morality is species preservation. guillaumeb Apr 2018 #78
No shit. Act_of_Reparation Apr 2018 #79
PLease explain. guillaumeb Apr 2018 #99
You need me to explain how "Because God says 'No'" is unreliable moral metric? Act_of_Reparation Apr 2018 #100
What are these unreliable means, and the reliable ones? guillaumeb Apr 2018 #105
What do *you* think they are? Act_of_Reparation Apr 2018 #114
An accusation on your part. guillaumeb Apr 2018 #118
Yes and no. Act_of_Reparation Apr 2018 #123
Further confirmation of my point. guillaumeb Apr 2018 #124
Yeah, poor you. Act_of_Reparation Apr 2018 #125
Ah yes, the leading question argument. guillaumeb Apr 2018 #126
How many religions are there in the world, gil? trotsky Apr 2018 #102
How many philosophies are there? guillaumeb Apr 2018 #106
This is the Religion Group, Gil. Mariana Apr 2018 #109
The topic is religion. trotsky Apr 2018 #116
I've asked some religious people in this group Mariana Apr 2018 #108
You sound confused. guillaumeb Apr 2018 #110
Just curious. Mariana Apr 2018 #111
Is the question: guillaumeb Apr 2018 #112
How insulting. trotsky Apr 2018 #117
You also sound confused. guillaumeb Apr 2018 #119
Does insulting others make Jesus proud of you, gil? trotsky Apr 2018 #120
That was an observation, and an opinion. guillaumeb Apr 2018 #121
However you need justify your behavior to yourself, gil. trotsky Apr 2018 #122
we need to retake the bible back to where it belongs. pansypoo53219 Apr 2018 #70
It could be done. Mariana Apr 2018 #75
Here's an example of how it could be done. Mariana Apr 2018 #76
To the Bronze Age? Act_of_Reparation Apr 2018 #81
Did you know that Barber was the President of the NC NAACP? nclib Apr 2018 #72
Yes I've been following him since his days in NC marylandblue Apr 2018 #73
Same here. nclib Apr 2018 #74
If they oppose Rump the Nazi fascist traitor, I dont care if they have wings and Eliot Rosewater Apr 2018 #101
Barber's Christianity is more in line with what I was taught when I was young. CrispyQ Apr 2018 #103
There are too few atheists to take them into accoutn as a religious constituency. DetlefK Apr 2018 #104
It was pointed out in another thread Mariana Apr 2018 #107
Recommended. guillaumeb Apr 2018 #113
It's more of a quibble, but I am okay with it marylandblue Apr 2018 #115
Heres a link to the New Yorker interview. Its 24 minutes long and will run w other windows open. mahina Apr 2018 #127
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