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Unfortunately, Philosophical POV's about religion insist that they have bearing in stopbush Jun 2012 #1
Well, maybe only here on DU, we may be able to do it differently. cleanhippie Jun 2012 #2
That's what religious safe haven groups are for skepticscott Jun 2012 #3
You make a valid point. cleanhippie Jun 2012 #4
There is no need for two "subsets" skepticscott Jun 2012 #12
No, that's what the A/A safe haven group is for. rug Jun 2012 #6
Wouldn't a discussion about religions "impact on society" need empirical evidence cleanhippie Jun 2012 #7
Sure, but not for the beliefs themselves. rug Jun 2012 #9
Sorry, baloney skepticscott Jun 2012 #10
Show me where anyone has claimed an empirical basis for belief. rug Jun 2012 #11
So you're completely ignorant skepticscott Jun 2012 #13
We're discussing this group. Do you have any empirical basis to support your claim? rug Jun 2012 #14
Nice try, but just more goalpost moving skepticscott Jul 2012 #18
Yes, provide more examples. rug Jul 2012 #19
The religious belief that skepticscott Jul 2012 #36
No it's not a claim that is empirically testable. rug Jul 2012 #37
No need to disagree skepticscott Jul 2012 #41
No, you have it wrong. rug Jul 2012 #43
Just BS special pleading skepticscott Jul 2012 #47
Oh, that's very persuasive. rug Jul 2012 #48
Still waiting for you to show that your claim isn't bullshit skepticscott Jul 2012 #49
I'm still waiting for you to provide a single example of anyone here claiming religious belief to be rug Jul 2012 #50
Sheesh, you already tried that dodge skepticscott Jul 2012 #52
I must conclude that you have seen no post in this Group claiming religious beliefs are empirical. rug Jul 2012 #53
I see us as just one big happy family. Schisms always end up badly. n/t dimbear Jun 2012 #5
I wouldn't classify it as a schism, merely a partitioning of the discussion. cleanhippie Jun 2012 #8
This is a marketplace of ideas. A fleamarketplace of ideas. The best fleamarkets are the biggest dimbear Jul 2012 #15
Please will people try to keep this discussion productive and civil muriel_volestrangler Jul 2012 #16
You may be right. cleanhippie Jul 2012 #22
Yes. There are OWOK. humblebum Jul 2012 #17
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And that, sir, is an excellent idea which I wholeheartedly support (I read your edits) cbayer Jul 2012 #25
So then you are denying that which you have already acknowledged? humblebum Jul 2012 #32
I didn't vote EvolveOrConvolve Jul 2012 #20
Or, you can get a new safe haven group for non believers whose basis for nonbelief is empiricism. rug Jul 2012 #27
I don't understand you EvolveOrConvolve Jul 2012 #28
Empiricism is not the only reason people don't believe. rug Jul 2012 #33
"two points-of-view; the Philosophical and the Empirical" - a more apt division would be humblebum Jul 2012 #21
I can't support this. cbayer Jul 2012 #24
Kudos for the attempt RegieRocker Jul 2012 #26
What you need is somekind of starting point, not perfect, but something to orient by anyway, the one patrice Jul 2012 #29
Let's split RELIGIONS into two groups. Speck Tater Jul 2012 #30
Hopw does one outlaw a belief? cleanhippie Jul 2012 #31
You can't outlaw a belief. Speck Tater Jul 2012 #35
I would place in the first group those that champion Democratic causes which cbayer Jul 2012 #34
What are the causes that "we all agree on?" trotsky Jul 2012 #38
I oppose any changes or splits. trotsky Jul 2012 #39
I don't think I implied any "safe haven" status, merely a distinction between POV's. cleanhippie Jul 2012 #40
I agree about the BS. trotsky Jul 2012 #42
So how do we improve it? cleanhippie Jul 2012 #44
Progress towards what? skepticscott Jul 2012 #45
I agree with this Dorian Gray Jul 2012 #46
TL;DNR Ian David Jul 2012 #51
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