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Voice for Peace

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51. it's tricky to find the boundaries, when we are shedding our skin cells all day long

Tue Sep 18, 2012, 06:44 PM

Sep 2012

and manufacturing new ones from the inside out.

My point of view is that everything in the perceivable universe
is in a constant state of change -- either evolution or disintegration,
but never fixed, never absolute.

Science is challenged to prove the existence of what is not fixed,
and constantly changing. Science can prove things now that were
not provable in recent past. The future will be similar.

Einstein purportedly said the subatomic particles appeared playful.
There is a force in life, behind all life, making everything come
into existence, animating, breathing everything. It isn't measurable
by science.

Religion is blind, science is limited. Truth is where they meet.
The connection between the mortal and the immortal.

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Religion--just like the rest of life, rests on things that cannot be "proved. [View all] Thats my opinion Sep 2012 OP

That's all your opinion Warpy Sep 2012 #1

Can you prove tama Sep 2012 #3

And end at the surface of our skin Warpy Sep 2012 #8

Very strange tama Sep 2012 #9

it's tricky to find the boundaries, when we are shedding our skin cells all day long Voice for Peace Sep 2012 #51

Perhaps the heart of reality is not things in motdion, but motion itself. Thats my opinion Sep 2012 #64

or stillness itself. Kindness itself. Beauty Itself. Voice for Peace Sep 2012 #73

Kindness itself. Beauty Itself. AlbertCat Sep 2012 #87

we're talking about two different things I think. Voice for Peace Sep 2012 #91

How do you define Reality? AlbertCat Sep 2012 #95

If I have a perception of reality and hundreds of millions of others have the same "opinion" Thats my opinion Sep 2012 #13

Congrats. trotsky Sep 2012 #20

Perhaps that means less in the real world than it does in a formal debate. okasha Sep 2012 #76

You should read "The Believing Brain" by Michael Shermer. It would clear up this confusion. cleanhippie Sep 2012 #81

"what we have is common, repeatable, replicable experience through religion" trotsky Sep 2012 #82

common, repeatable, replicable experience through religion. AlbertCat Sep 2012 #88

experience arrives at the brain through all of the senses including the sense of feeling. Voice for Peace Sep 2012 #92

including the sense of feeling. AlbertCat Sep 2012 #96

Feeling is our most fundamental survival function. Voice for Peace Sep 2012 #98

You need to read "The Believeing Brain" by Michael Shermer. cleanhippie Sep 2012 #100

By "You need to read" I trust you mean "I recommend" Voice for Peace Sep 2012 #104

Is every point of view equally valid? n/t trotsky Sep 2012 #105

my point of view is valid to me. Voice for Peace Sep 2012 #108

And the racist or the homophobe's view... trotsky Sep 2012 #111

Yes, my apologies for poor phrasing. cleanhippie Sep 2012 #106

If I want to compel others to agree with my point of view, of course I need to offer something Voice for Peace Sep 2012 #107

Well, I would hope that you do read this book in your quest for knowledge. cleanhippie Sep 2012 #109

thank you. I have so many books people have recommended Voice for Peace Sep 2012 #110

It IS something more, it's called "childhood indoctrination into religion." cleanhippie Sep 2012 #33

I have come to respect my own perception of reality, regardless of others. Voice for Peace Sep 2012 #52

You've conflated two entirely different things. edhopper Sep 2012 #2

Evolution! and the very processes of life in which everything is related to everything else. Thats my opinion Sep 2012 #11

Your post's title is something that should have 'meaning', but appears not to, on closer inspection muriel_volestrangler Sep 2012 #16

I chose evolution as the impetus behind the quest for meaning as it is lived out. Thats my opinion Sep 2012 #22

No, life is not all "lured upward" muriel_volestrangler Sep 2012 #25

And that is"scientism" at its most obvious level.nt Thats my opinion Sep 2012 #29

No, it's not scientism. You're misusing terms muriel_volestrangler Sep 2012 #31

That definition of "scientism" is on target Thats my opinion Sep 2012 #42

Sorry, are you saying that you accuse people of 'scientism' so you can thwart conversation'? muriel_volestrangler Sep 2012 #43

My 29 post was not to thwart conversation, but to suggest that scientism Thats my opinion Sep 2012 #65

The problem is skepticscott Sep 2012 #71

It is similar to the perspective held by religious fundamentalists. AlbertCat Sep 2012 #90

Trying to educate you on a scientific theory you obviously have no knowledge of is "scientism"? n/t Humanist_Activist Sep 2012 #69

most scientists I know get crazy happy studying how amazing it all is. Voice for Peace Sep 2012 #54

like this Voice for Peace Sep 2012 #86

I understand what you are trying to say. edhopper Sep 2012 #19

It would take the whole of process theology to offer an adequate answer. Thats my opinion Sep 2012 #23

No I am saying they exist, but have no corelation with God. edhopper Sep 2012 #26

Why is it a false analogy? okasha Sep 2012 #35

That's the point edhopper Sep 2012 #37

I notice that you declined the challenge. okasha Sep 2012 #45

Perhaps because it wasn't a challenge at all. cleanhippie Sep 2012 #47

Beauty is not the same thing as artistic "greatness." okasha Sep 2012 #77

You are confusing "pretty" with "beauty." cleanhippie Sep 2012 #78

Wrong all the way through. okasha Sep 2012 #79

What are you talking about? cleanhippie Sep 2012 #80

You know on second thought he is right edhopper Sep 2012 #85

No, you're both making an inaccurate assumption. okasha Sep 2012 #113

Did you really miss the point edhopper Sep 2012 #114

You never have had. okasha Sep 2012 #112

Is that supposed to be some kind of clever snark or put-down? How about being coherent instead? cleanhippie Sep 2012 #115

I declined you challenge because edhopper Sep 2012 #49

thank you for that. Thats my opinion Sep 2012 #66

I suppose edhopper Sep 2012 #72

Sure, I'd put theology on the list Oregonian Sep 2012 #116

processes of the universe intersect with religious thought. AlbertCat Sep 2012 #89

I think the human ability to feel is sorely underappreciated and valued. Voice for Peace Sep 2012 #53

Sure I do edhopper Sep 2012 #55

yes. often I've gone with reason, ignoring a feeling, and it was a bad call. Voice for Peace Sep 2012 #57

You can't see the wind, and yet it is real. That's why in the good old days, winds were gods. dimbear Sep 2012 #4

You better talk to this guy! edhopper Sep 2012 #6

If there are gods in the universe.... Marrah_G Sep 2012 #56

Where did you find this list? Control-Z Sep 2012 #5

It is my very partial listing of notions I and most of the human race encounter. nt Thats my opinion Sep 2012 #12

All of those things can be proven. rrneck Sep 2012 #7

Looking forward to sharing some of those unproven things with you later this week. cbayer Sep 2012 #10

No on the "struggle for refinement" Fortinbras Armstrong Sep 2012 #14

Teihard is hardly recent (1881-1955) Thats my opinion Sep 2012 #24

A very poor list Angry Dragon Sep 2012 #15

Trust and Faith are not the same thing. mr blur Sep 2012 #17

One thing that certainly can't be proved... Silent3 Sep 2012 #18

+1 trotsky Sep 2012 #21

Intentional conflation of the word 'faith' ... Trajan Sep 2012 #27

Tangibility and results are all some people can experience orpupilofnature57 Sep 2012 #28

"There is a spiritual hunger build into most of our lives..." onager Sep 2012 #30

I hate the word "prove".....it doesn't come close to explaining what real science is. Science isn't Evoman Sep 2012 #32

So you still consider gravity only a well-supported (I hope) hypothesis? okasha Sep 2012 #36

Yep. Very, very, very, very well supported. Do you want more verys? Evoman Sep 2012 #39

My college physics professor okasha Sep 2012 #46

Actually, the theory of gravity, as understood through Einstein, has huge holes in it... Humanist_Activist Sep 2012 #70

Holes or no, okasha Sep 2012 #75

Good point. But as for Diety, I believe it exists because the world exists. SarahM32 Sep 2012 #40

Wow, this reads like it was cut-and-pasted from a fundie apologetics website. cleanhippie Sep 2012 #34

Perhaps a better description of religion is this: SarahM32 Sep 2012 #38

Solid and thoughtful definition. nt Thats my opinion Sep 2012 #41

So how does that solid and thoughtful definition square with your POV that no one would want to live cleanhippie Sep 2012 #44

He doesn't seem contradictory to me. SarahM32 Sep 2012 #48

I recommend reading some of TMO's previous OP's. cleanhippie Sep 2012 #50

I can see what you mean. But, ... SarahM32 Sep 2012 #58

A spirit of good will... trotsky Sep 2012 #59

I have sworn not to respond to about five of you--but let me break that promise. Thats my opinion Sep 2012 #94

Yet you still can't apologize for insulting non-believers. trotsky Sep 2012 #97

! cleanhippie Sep 2012 #101

Naw, I'm sure I'll go back to being ignored. trotsky Sep 2012 #102

And three years later you *still* stand by your indefensible, insulting, arrogant statement. mr blur Sep 2012 #103

I applaud your objectiveness... cleanhippie Sep 2012 #60

I see. FYI, here's what I found out. SarahM32 Sep 2012 #61

Karen Armstrong is worth listening to. Thats my opinion Sep 2012 #63

Apologize for insulting non-believers. trotsky Sep 2012 #84

religions were established essentially... AlbertCat Sep 2012 #93

Joseph Smith would have done wisely to honor your assertion. dimbear Sep 2012 #62

This message was self-deleted by its author Humanist_Activist Sep 2012 #67

You seem to have profound misunderstandings of both humans and science... Humanist_Activist Sep 2012 #67

Other than the last gratituous nasty paragraph, in which you reverted to the dark side of a very Thats my opinion Sep 2012 #74

See, that's exactly why you get the reaction you do. trotsky Sep 2012 #99

A beautiful example of the meaningless fuzziness of faith intaglio Sep 2012 #83