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longship

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6. Well, Darwin called himself an agnostic...
Thu Oct 4, 2012, 04:49 PM
Oct 2012

...which is a word defined first by his friend and fierce defender, Huxley.

I do not think that Darwin, Huxley, Einstein, or Hawking are ambivalent about their lack of belief. What I think is that the description of atheist has become so culturally toxic that it has become almost an insult.

Darwin and Huxley would never had called themselves atheists in Victorian England any more than Einstein would have done the same in the USA during his life. Hawking is an outlier. I think he is basically channeling Einstein and his beliefs.

The reason that I explicitly label myself as an atheist, and that I eschew other labels, is that I do believe that evidence shows that there are very likely not any gods. The most accurate expression of this is to call oneself an atheist.

I cannot prove there are no gods. But it seems to me that the burden of proof is on the theists. They are the ones making claims of an entity whose attributes of which they cannot even agree. William of Okham would slice such claims right off.

But, no. I cannot prove there are not gods. But the null hypothesis must be that there are not unless there is evidence to the contrary. I see no such evidence. The universe seems pitifully ignorant of any such hypotheses.

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wow d_r Oct 2012 #1
+ struggle4progress Oct 2012 #2
I heard that when Einstein died, he was reading... onager Oct 2012 #8
Einstein is often said to be a pantheist. longship Oct 2012 #3
They don't offer much substance from the letter, but what I have read leads cbayer Oct 2012 #4
Well, Darwin called himself an agnostic... longship Oct 2012 #6
I know that Darwin struggled and it's unclear where he landed. cbayer Oct 2012 #7
I could not agree more with your post. longship Oct 2012 #9
By any strong conception of "god" or deity... Silent3 Oct 2012 #10
You cold be right or you could be wrong. cbayer Oct 2012 #11
Just because we might not be able to "imagine what there may be"... trotsky Oct 2012 #12
I'm perfectly willing to entertain all sorts of thoughts of other possible beings. Silent3 Oct 2012 #14
Using your definition, I would agree cbayer Oct 2012 #15
Too narrow for what? Silent3 Oct 2012 #16
Too narrow for others who may not share your pov cbayer Oct 2012 #17
Then those people can tell me what "god" means to them from their point of view... Silent3 Oct 2012 #18
That is fair, though many may choose not to have that meaningful cbayer Oct 2012 #19
Sure such things are open to judgment Silent3 Oct 2012 #20
Well, that letter kinda blows the "ambivalence" to smithereens, innit? 2ndAmForComputers Oct 2012 #13
Readers of this forum may enjoy the refutation of Eric Gutkind's book by Eric Bosekind. dimbear Oct 2012 #5
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