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In reply to the discussion: something I posted in GD and wanted to share [View all]Humanist_Activist
(7,670 posts)18. But his words are words of a conservative Catholic...
the fact that he actually articulates the homophobic Catechism of the Catholic Church, which apparently people were unaware of the contents of, he's all of the sudden a "reformer". I'm sorry, but that is just naive.
At best, at the most optimistic, rather than substantive change, we may see a change in tone, but I still don't get this optimism you have for an open homophobe, a person who campaigned against civil rights, to change his stripes.
Until he pulls a George Wallace on us, this all means nothing, and I don't think he will.
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I have to say I like him. I hope he moves the church to be more inclusive. Time will tell and we
hrmjustin
Oct 2013
#3
Since its a rebuttal of my post, do you have any evidence for your post...
Humanist_Activist
Oct 2013
#5
Except that this isn't about *me*, it's about people being suckered by an act.
AtheistCrusader
Oct 2013
#10
Daniel O'Connel and his Catholic Association was an 18th century Irish Catholic...
Humanist_Activist
Oct 2013
#14
What fucking change? What I see are people supporting a homophobic, misogynistic, man based on...
Humanist_Activist
Oct 2013
#13
So instead of presenting evidence of this man's change of heart, you try to win rhetorical points?
Humanist_Activist
Oct 2013
#16
Some of the words I have heard him say I have not heard any Pope before him say.
cbayer
Oct 2013
#19
He is reaffirming, not reassessing those positions, what evidence do you have...
Humanist_Activist
Oct 2013
#20
A change in tone is not a change in substance, but that doesn't make it completely
cbayer
Oct 2013
#21
The statements he made about LGBT people were lifted straight out of the Catechism...
Humanist_Activist
Oct 2013
#22
Problem is, I see the opposite, quite literally, when he said that...
Humanist_Activist
Oct 2013
#24
I agree that this didn't go very far and there has been some contradictory messages.
cbayer
Oct 2013
#26