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Eko

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30. Natural gas is successful without solar and wind.
Sat Oct 7, 2017, 10:48 PM
Oct 2017

Here are the two scenarios.
1. More gas plants with solar and wind.
2. more gas plants.
If each equal 100.
Then 1. is what, 70% more gas and 2. is 100% gas with each new plant opened.
You choose. You can say whatever you want to say, we should do this or that, but this is what is happening. Right now we are buying time. Solar and wind gives us that time. Without it we have less time. Hopefully it gives us the time to figure this out, because we have to. I just want to add, for some reason countries are growing in solar and wind at a large percentage, and they are not with Nuclear. I am sure it is because of the large scale demonstrations against nuclear across the world. Could it be because it economically doesn't make sense compared to renewable energy and gas energy? I mean, we know that energy companies are real sensitive to the prevailing thought and don't follow the money. As I have stated before, I havenothing against Nuclear energy, I just don't think that it is necessarily better than solar and wind. Both have their pro's and con's. I am in the camp of lets do what is best for humanity but to ignore Nuclear problems while bashing solar and wind is the height of ignorance.

I lied, I just want to add one more thing, you put this in your post "It's apparent gas is a desirable energy source for many people, even anti-nuclear activists," and I am really tired of you insinuating that is what I believe. I am really tired of you putting words in my mouth. I just want any jury to read this entire thread before you judge what I am about to say, Hunter, you are a despicable excuse for a human. You continue to ascribe things that I have never said to me, insinuate that I am anti-nuclear, pro-gas when all I have done is argue the benefits of solar and wind while accepting the problems those pose while pointing out the problems Nuclear poses are at least equal, You use republican talking points against renewable energy and are generally just a fucking twat. You cant even answer a simple yes or no question because you know it will show your hypocrisy. If I didn't know any better I would think you were a PR person for the Nuclear industry. If you aren't, you should be, you would fit in perfectly.

Some new stuff. Eko Sep 2017 #1
The trouble is that people see wind turbines as a symbol of progress... hunter Sep 2017 #2
I hadn't thought of it that way but you're right. NNadir Sep 2017 #3
Wow Eko Sep 2017 #4
I live in California. The hills are littered with dead Enron-era wind turbines... hunter Sep 2017 #6
What do you mean by dead turbines? Eko Oct 2017 #11
Here, too, is another picture from Nature, of the realities of the wind industry. NNadir Sep 2017 #5
Yes, this is much better. Eko Sep 2017 #7
Here you go, way awesome. Eko Sep 2017 #8
The toxic wastes of a careless high energy industrial society suck. hunter Oct 2017 #10
Yup, Eko Oct 2017 #12
How about arsenic? Arsenic has a half life of forever. hunter Oct 2017 #13
Nope. Eko Oct 2017 #14
Seriously? You think the arsenic goes away? hunter Oct 2017 #16
Well, Im sure Eko Oct 2017 #19
The same sorts of processes that decrease the bioavailability of toxins like arsenic and lead... hunter Oct 2017 #20
This was your statement. Eko Oct 2017 #23
I would ask you to take a second Eko Oct 2017 #15
I'm some kind of quixotic Luddite and evolutionary biologist. hunter Oct 2017 #17
Yes you have said that many times. Eko Oct 2017 #18
Except they don't reduce the use of gas. hunter Oct 2017 #21
Gas is profitable without wind. Eko Oct 2017 #22
You'd be okay with more gas. I get it. hunter Oct 2017 #24
Wow. Eko Oct 2017 #25
So what? Eko Oct 2017 #26
Your enthusiasm for solar and wind augmented gas power plants is clear. hunter Oct 2017 #27
Yes, because somewhere I am sure Eko Oct 2017 #28
I'd happily see Ivanpah removed, and the landscape restored to the best of human ability. hunter Oct 2017 #29
Natural gas is successful without solar and wind. Eko Oct 2017 #30
We are not "buying time." hunter Oct 2017 #31
Of course we are. Eko Oct 2017 #32
Going back to the original argument... hunter Oct 2017 #33
Of course you are because it's not about global warming Eko Oct 2017 #34
Welcome to the twenty first century. It's a messy place... hunter Oct 2017 #35
Not afraid. Eko Oct 2017 #36
It would be silly to be afraid. hunter Oct 2017 #37
And I am not a silly person. Eko Oct 2017 #38
Im not even going to post the pictures from this. Eko Sep 2017 #9
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