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HerbChestnut

(3,649 posts)
87. Not true at all, George.
Mon Jan 18, 2016, 12:15 AM
Jan 2016

Read his plan. Families making less than 28,000 per year pay nothing. Middle class families pay a modest payroll tax that ends up saving them thousands of dollars on health insurance. The upper class pays a progressive income tax to cover the rest.

Beautiful. Kentonio Jan 2016 #1
Awesome!!!!! Less than one fucking insurance premium!! Autumn Jan 2016 #28
Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Jan 2016 #2
Awesome!!! darkangel218 Jan 2016 #3
Released just in time for somebody in Hillary's camp to misinterpret something thereismore Jan 2016 #4
They're already "misinterpreting" this in other threads. arcane1 Jan 2016 #35
When they say the 6.2% payroll tax is passed on to employees what does that mean? Agschmid Jan 2016 #5
If I had to guess... HerbChestnut Jan 2016 #6
Thanks. Agschmid Jan 2016 #8
As for salaries... HerbChestnut Jan 2016 #10
no... employers are NOT paying 6.2% of employee salaries into HCI on avg. They've payed lower uponit7771 Jan 2016 #60
No kidding gwheezie Jan 2016 #67
16k per worker avg employer cost. Warren Stupidity Jan 2016 #78
Your employer multiplies your salary by .062 and pays that much in tax Recursion Jan 2016 #91
That employers will pay workers 6.2% less in cash. (nt) jeff47 Jan 2016 #93
Where do I sign up? FlatBaroque Jan 2016 #7
what might the tax rate be for those who are middle class? grasswire Jan 2016 #9
It's in the plan. Read it. HerbChestnut Jan 2016 #11
from the link questionseverything Jan 2016 #12
Wait, how is the 6.2 + 2.2 increase in payroll tax an employer "savings" !?!?! The 6.2 increase uponit7771 Jan 2016 #13
You're assuming employers are assholes. HerbChestnut Jan 2016 #14
We have unions cause employers are assholes and have no shame at being so and 6.2 + 2.2 is 8.4... uponit7771 Jan 2016 #17
You added the 8.4 to the $400...nevermind HerbChestnut Jan 2016 #21
8.4% of 50000 is 4200 + 466 is 4666 which around 300 bucks from what the Sanders plan says the uponit7771 Jan 2016 #25
Again, your math is terrible. HerbChestnut Jan 2016 #26
How about you.... progress.... the conversation and be specific... if there's no answer there's no.. uponit7771 Jan 2016 #31
You're forgetting tax deductions. JonLeibowitz Jan 2016 #41
There's no mention of the deduction for the FED tax payed into SP in Sanders plan for 50 a year uponit7771 Jan 2016 #43
His plan doesn't include a full spread sheet. However, I would assume he factors that in when comput JonLeibowitz Jan 2016 #45
Unnnn, its pretty simple... the 6.2% in employer fees seem to stand out...we know they're aren't... uponit7771 Jan 2016 #49
.... Loudestlib Jan 2016 #40
With no cost to employees?!??! Please link and quote that one?! The employers who have been paying uponit7771 Jan 2016 #52
A quick Google search reveals... pinstikfartherin Jan 2016 #61
Not for those making 50,000 a year... that's the avg which includes stupid plans for folk makin 200k uponit7771 Jan 2016 #64
Payroll taxes are REGRESSIVE taxes. Period. It doesn't make sense. George II Jan 2016 #63
+1, I just made this point on the other thread that 2 hrs before the debate doesn't give folk real uponit7771 Jan 2016 #65
For most workers 6.2% is a reduction in health care costs. Warren Stupidity Jan 2016 #80
Not in that salary range its not, AVG includes salaries for millionaires the means is 50,000 ... uponit7771 Jan 2016 #83
Pay close attention now Ok INdemo Jan 2016 #81
That doesn't include the 466 they added in the end on their own cost... I'm including that... uponit7771 Jan 2016 #84
What are you talking about the 466 INdemo Jan 2016 #88
There is no passing off anything to the employees INdemo Jan 2016 #89
Woo!!!! jkbRN Jan 2016 #15
Single payer would lower property taxes as well. redwitch Jan 2016 #16
There's so many wins with this type of plan. HerbChestnut Jan 2016 #18
Here Comes The Bouncing Ball! ChiciB1 Jan 2016 #19
One more BIG reason hifiguy Jan 2016 #20
No doubt. HerbChestnut Jan 2016 #22
Sounds good to me. CharlotteVale Jan 2016 #23
It's showtime folks SmittynMo Jan 2016 #24
I like it. I'm surprised that I like it actually. Joe the Revelator Jan 2016 #27
So he gets this fantasy through a GOP congress...how? Gman Jan 2016 #29
Not taking into account the likelihood of this being passed... HerbChestnut Jan 2016 #33
Read my post. Gman Jan 2016 #44
Ah, sorry I missed that part. HerbChestnut Jan 2016 #47
When the people AND the employers like something Kentonio Jan 2016 #34
Nope. No it's not Gman Jan 2016 #48
Post removed Post removed Jan 2016 #56
nnnnnoooooooo, the histroically gerrymandered GOP congress doesn't have to listen to anyone uponit7771 Jan 2016 #58
How does she get her plans through a GOP Congress? neverforget Jan 2016 #36
Here's how bluestateguy Jan 2016 #51
Don't forget bully pullpit and fight... gottah have those words in there or they'll call him sellout uponit7771 Jan 2016 #55
Revolution Dammit!! /sarcasm uponit7771 Jan 2016 #54
That's the only practical solution Gman Jan 2016 #90
Well Bernie will have enough coattail wins in the Senate to take back the INdemo Jan 2016 #86
First, Gman Jan 2016 #99
I disagree with you. Hillary Clinton will get those Democrats that will INdemo Jan 2016 #103
Plans like this is how you change that GOP congress. jeff47 Jan 2016 #94
The DLC hadn't been around for many years Gman Jan 2016 #100
They basically renamed themselves several times. jeff47 Jan 2016 #101
K&R! fleur-de-lisa Jan 2016 #30
Holy shit! in_cog_ni_to Jan 2016 #32
This is wonderful! Rosa Luxemburg Jan 2016 #39
Well plus the 6.2 percent in payroll yeoman6987 Jan 2016 #102
I donl't understand this one Armstead Jan 2016 #37
I think it's just to show how the current rates would rise Kentonio Jan 2016 #46
This is an incredible plan! I'm sure it'll need tweaks along the way, but THIS IS WHAT WE NEED! in_cog_ni_to Jan 2016 #38
Magnificent. GO, BERNIE, GO! K&R (N/T) Old Crow Jan 2016 #42
Kick, kick, kick... mountain grammy Jan 2016 #50
Hell. Yes. AzDar Jan 2016 #53
So what happens to my Retired Military Tricare? itsrobert Jan 2016 #57
What happens to employees of insurance co's gwheezie Jan 2016 #59
Well... "Medicare for All" would be hiring! Beartracks Jan 2016 #75
I never get straight answers to that question bluestateguy Jan 2016 #92
Unfortunately, they will have to become productive members of society. (nt) jeff47 Jan 2016 #95
The IT guy? gwheezie Jan 2016 #104
Again, private insurance is not "productive" jeff47 Jan 2016 #106
So that's TWO tax increases on the middle class. So much for being the candidate "for the people"! George II Jan 2016 #62
OMG!!! Taxes?!? Whatever will we do?!? Kentonio Jan 2016 #66
You found out that about his plan in an hour? His tax is a PAYROLL tax - RICH PEOPLE aren't on... George II Jan 2016 #72
It's a 2.2% payroll increase and completely removes insurance premiums and deductibles. Kentonio Jan 2016 #73
No, it's 6+ percent. And how much does someone like Donald Trump pay in "payroll taxes"? George II Jan 2016 #79
+1, I don't believe no one is looking at the details.. that 6.2% increase is going to be passed to uponit7771 Jan 2016 #70
I'm being taxed by my premiums right now! Beartracks Jan 2016 #71
I'm laughing at your avatar. Spitfire of ATJ Jan 2016 #77
Come on, George. HerbChestnut Jan 2016 #82
It's a tax increase of the lower and middle class. How much is he going to tax the rich? ZERO! George II Jan 2016 #85
Not true at all, George. HerbChestnut Jan 2016 #87
Reading. Try it. jeff47 Jan 2016 #97
I pay $10k/year in health insurance premiums + high deductible. jeff47 Jan 2016 #96
Kudos for releasing the plan. Have to wait for some other experts to evaluate it. It's easy to Hoyt Jan 2016 #68
But, but, but.... paleotn Jan 2016 #69
K&R 99Forever Jan 2016 #74
K & R LWolf Jan 2016 #76
Bernie's top income tax rate is LOWER than the mid-1930s thru 1970s senz Jan 2016 #98
Saving for the personal discussions Duppers Jan 2016 #105
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