2016 Postmortem

JimDandy

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57. Then WE need to raise it...the rank and file progressives...

Reply to hrmjustin (Reply #19)

Mon Jan 18, 2016, 06:04 PM

Jan 2016

and get back our Democratic Party from the third way corporatists/DINOs who have had a hold on for at least 25 years.

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I am beginning to hate the word "pragmatic." [View all] Punkingal Jan 2016 OP

Pragmatic means submit to republicans during every negotiation. JRLeft Jan 2016 #1

Yes it does. It admits defeat right out of the gate. Punkingal Jan 2016 #3

"Pragmatic" is dog-whistle code for "Status Quo" Ferd Berfel Jan 2016 #52

it's another dog-whistle for "making tough choices' Karma13612 Jan 2016 #81

So Obama was Pragmatic when he put Social Secutiry on teh chopping block? Ferd Berfel Jan 2016 #82

yes. and he compromises instead of fighting from a much higher starting point. Karma13612 Jan 2016 #85

We were talking about Pragmatism. HIllary will be a continuation of Obama's Pragmatism. Ferd Berfel Jan 2016 #88

Yes. We must not fight a Republican House Deny and Shred Jan 2016 #79

And how will you get the gop to go along with this vision? hrmjustin Jan 2016 #2

Do they fucking own us? Punkingal Jan 2016 #6

To fight them the party needs money and Sanders refused to raise a dime for the party. hrmjustin Jan 2016 #9

Screw that stupid argument. He fights with the truth and people want to hear it. Punkingal Jan 2016 #11

Your debating skills leave me in utter awe! hrmjustin Jan 2016 #15

Your parroting the same old lines is awe-inspiring by contrast. Punkingal Jan 2016 #17

No my point is Sanders has shown no desire for party building. hrmjustin Jan 2016 #19

Long since been proven false sonofspy777 Jan 2016 #38

Yes - this was proven false a couple of weeks back. yet some here keep repeating it over and over kath Jan 2016 #75

Then WE need to raise it...the rank and file progressives... JimDandy Jan 2016 #57

Thank you! Punkingal Jan 2016 #58

If you have weak ideas, you need a lot of money to convince people their great ideas. aikoaiko Jan 2016 #37

The Party that fights him at every step? tazkcmo Jan 2016 #102

That is a nice excuse you are making but it is just an excuse. hrmjustin Jan 2016 #104

Your opnion. tazkcmo Jan 2016 #105

What poll shows me wrong? hrmjustin Jan 2016 #106

You don't START with a compromise, you start with the ideal situation, jkbRN Jan 2016 #10

Ok but if they control the house they won't vote for Sanders bill. hrmjustin Jan 2016 #12

Work on a primary challenger for all of them, get the house back, jkbRN Jan 2016 #16

Then why did Sanders fail to raise money for the party? hrmjustin Jan 2016 #18

Sanders, as the only career politician running on our side, NCTraveler Jan 2016 #70

Ummmnnnhhhhh.,.,Can't do anythiong,. No how no way. We're all Doomed! Armstead Jan 2016 #78

The thing is gollygee Jan 2016 #98

If pragmatism is starting off with a compromise jkbRN Jan 2016 #4

It's not a compromise Cassiopeia Jan 2016 #8

Its just a huge compromise (I agree with you) jkbRN Jan 2016 #13

No, it's capitulation. nt haikugal Jan 2016 #29

+1 Punkingal Jan 2016 #34

If pragmatic means letting Repugs pull us further and further right TDale313 Jan 2016 #5

The people using that word Cassiopeia Jan 2016 #7

Oldie but goodie whatchamacallit Jan 2016 #14

I suppose I should laugh, but it's not funny, it's tragic. Punkingal Jan 2016 #20

Ideologues always do hate pragmatism. So much easier to fantasize and throw stones. KittyWampus Jan 2016 #21

Fantasize and throw stones? What exactly do you mean? Punkingal Jan 2016 #22

I think you're confusing with "idealist" with "ideologue." Either way, it's inaccurate. senz Jan 2016 #24

Mo Dowd refers to Hillary as "expedient." senz Jan 2016 #23

That bitter woman can go and rot. Beacool Jan 2016 #39

Is that the bus you're throwing her under? Ed Suspicious Jan 2016 #77

I've always found pragmatic to be code for selling out. Skwmom Jan 2016 #25

Bingo! Punkingal Jan 2016 #26

+1000 GoneFishin Jan 2016 #30

Pragmatiic is the word you hear Kelvin Mace Jan 2016 #27

We have to have a candidate who is viable Gothmog Jan 2016 #28

Exactly, that's why I'm so happy to have a real liberal to vote for. He works for us not against us. haikugal Jan 2016 #32

Good answer! Punkingal Jan 2016 #40

How is Sanders going to win? Gothmog Jan 2016 #45

Voters who believe...in their power, and that they deserve something better. Punkingal Jan 2016 #47

Deserving something better is not the same as winning an election Gothmog Jan 2016 #49

We can disagree...I don't think Hillary is viable. Punkingal Jan 2016 #51

Only if you believe that the Kochs will not run $300 million of negative ads against Sanders Gothmog Jan 2016 #53

buy into the $15 trillion lie if you want. Punkingal Jan 2016 #55

That number is a good number Gothmog Jan 2016 #63

I wouldn't need to if people would look at things instead of accepting whatever they are told. Sad. Punkingal Jan 2016 #64

add +1 to the "Bernie is unelectable" meme counter. nt antigop Jan 2016 #46

How high is this counter now? Gothmog Jan 2016 #48

just keep repeating the "Bernie is unelectable" meme. nt antigop Jan 2016 #65

I keeping asking a question that is not being answered Gothmog Jan 2016 #68

Why don't you check out the national head to head match-ups with Bernie and the Republicans? Punkingal Jan 2016 #69

Because according to Nate Silver these numbers are worthless Gothmog Jan 2016 #71

Matchups have no predictive power on who will win the general election, but they may JonLeibowitz Jan 2016 #76

Read the original Eaton article that Nate cites Gothmog Jan 2016 #84

I don't believe Enten makes a single comment about comparative analysis, only about predictions JonLeibowitz Jan 2016 #86

Feel free to ignore the polls and the facts Gothmog Jan 2016 #90

Your post is excessively rude. I wasn't advocating ignoring polls or facts. JonLeibowitz Jan 2016 #91

add +1 to the "Bernie is unelectable" meme counter. nt antigop Jan 2016 #73

Talk to DWS. Say "hi" and tell her "thanks" for her moment of candor re: Bernie. nt antigop Jan 2016 #74

and, gee, if there were only a way to find out. Hehehe. nt antigop Jan 2016 #66

How is Hillary viable? Still In Wisconsin Jan 2016 #56

Do you have any doubt that she can raise sufficient funds to compete? Gothmog Jan 2016 #62

Funds are necessary for competing but not necessarily sufficient for victory Fumesucker Jan 2016 #87

Third Wayers have been using the word for years as a way to describe their Zorra Jan 2016 #31

Yep... haikugal Jan 2016 #33

Pragmatism boils down to doing what works HereSince1628 Jan 2016 #35

+100000000 CharlotteVale Jan 2016 #43

Straight up useless! Ed Suspicious Jan 2016 #80

These days, "pragmatic" is most often used as a euphemism for "disappointing" demwing Jan 2016 #36

Pragmatic Democrats = Surrender Monkeys 99Forever Jan 2016 #41

beginning? PowerToThePeople Jan 2016 #42

"Pragmatic" is just another way of saying "sell out." CharlotteVale Jan 2016 #44

Yup. The rightward drift continues farleftlib Jan 2016 #50

Name me one major election a Democrat has won by moving to the right... Still In Wisconsin Jan 2016 #54

I'm fine with pragmatic LWolf Jan 2016 #59

Your definition is fine...I'm afraid the Clinton people don't define it that way. Punkingal Jan 2016 #60

It's one of the many terms LWolf Jan 2016 #72

It's defeatism. earthside Jan 2016 #61

How fitting with Hillary invoking the name of Truman and tying it to the ACA. Something about Ed Suspicious Jan 2016 #83

There's a superiority with pragmatism, which says I'm the grown up, the realist. EndElectoral Jan 2016 #67

The way HRC is using the term, "pragmatic" means "Settling for less than nothing". Ken Burch Jan 2016 #89

Here’s One Big Problem With The Bernie Sanders Plan For Health Care Utopia Gothmog Jan 2016 #92

Hillary has no vision. Punkingal Jan 2016 #93

Vision is nothing without being pragmatic KingFlorez Jan 2016 #94

And being pragmatic is nothing without vision. Now, with the bromides dispensed with... Romulox Jan 2016 #95

Bernie Sanders's fiction-filled campaign Gothmog Jan 2016 #96

This is an opinion piece. Punkingal Jan 2016 #97

Where are the supposed cost savings? Gothmog Jan 2016 #99

Well I don't believe that. Punkingal Jan 2016 #100

pragmatic = cowardly. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jan 2016 #101

Bingo...they are cowards, all of them, including Pelosi. Punkingal Jan 2016 #107

Why some Dems think people prefer ""Pragmatism"... when is not done Honestly? Yupy Jan 2016 #103

How do you feel about "sensible woodchuck?" merrily Jan 2016 #108