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2016 Postmortem
In reply to the discussion: Krugman Desperately Invokes Bloomberg Doomsday Scenario to Scare Us into Backing Hillary [View all]Chathamization
(1,638 posts)98. I guess Krugman's call to hold those who got us into Iraq accountable was all a sham
Less than a year ago:
But I guess that's more that we should hold them theoretically accountable, just like Krugman is theoretically in favor of single-payer until he starts trash talking it (It will lead to rationing!) when someone seriously proposes it, or is theoretically in favor of Glass-Steagall, but then says bring it back would actually make matters worse when a serious presidential candidate proposes it.
Eh. You know, I'm actually fine with someone saying "I'm voting for Clinton because she has a better shot" (or saying the same about Sanders, for that matter). But saying "Doing this is how you make Trump president!" is fairly crude scaremongering, especially coming from someone who seems anxious to throw all of their previous positions under the bus for whatever reason (because they prefer Clinton, because they never believed them in the first place, because of some kind of tribalism - I really don't know).
But many influential people not just Mr. Bush would prefer that we not have that discussion. Theres a palpable sense right now of the political and media elite trying to draw a line under the subject. Yes, the narrative goes, we now know that invading Iraq was a terrible mistake, and its about time that everyone admits it. Now lets move on.
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Now, you can understand why many political and media figures would prefer not to talk about any of this. Some of them, I suppose, may have been duped: may have fallen for the obvious lies, which doesnt say much about their judgment. More, I suspect, were complicit: they realized that the official case for war was a pretext, but had their own reasons for wanting a war, or, alternatively, allowed themselves to be intimidated into going along. For there was a definite climate of fear among politicians and pundits in 2002 and 2003, one in which criticizing the push for war looked very much like a career killer.
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But truth matters, and not just because those who refuse to learn from history are doomed in some general sense to repeat it. The campaign of lies that took us into Iraq was recent enough that its still important to hold the guilty individuals accountable.
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Now, you can understand why many political and media figures would prefer not to talk about any of this. Some of them, I suppose, may have been duped: may have fallen for the obvious lies, which doesnt say much about their judgment. More, I suspect, were complicit: they realized that the official case for war was a pretext, but had their own reasons for wanting a war, or, alternatively, allowed themselves to be intimidated into going along. For there was a definite climate of fear among politicians and pundits in 2002 and 2003, one in which criticizing the push for war looked very much like a career killer.
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But truth matters, and not just because those who refuse to learn from history are doomed in some general sense to repeat it. The campaign of lies that took us into Iraq was recent enough that its still important to hold the guilty individuals accountable.
But I guess that's more that we should hold them theoretically accountable, just like Krugman is theoretically in favor of single-payer until he starts trash talking it (It will lead to rationing!) when someone seriously proposes it, or is theoretically in favor of Glass-Steagall, but then says bring it back would actually make matters worse when a serious presidential candidate proposes it.
Eh. You know, I'm actually fine with someone saying "I'm voting for Clinton because she has a better shot" (or saying the same about Sanders, for that matter). But saying "Doing this is how you make Trump president!" is fairly crude scaremongering, especially coming from someone who seems anxious to throw all of their previous positions under the bus for whatever reason (because they prefer Clinton, because they never believed them in the first place, because of some kind of tribalism - I really don't know).
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Krugman Desperately Invokes Bloomberg Doomsday Scenario to Scare Us into Backing Hillary [View all]
mhatrw
Jan 2016
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Krugman is right about what? About Third Way corpocrats willing to draft Bloomberg
mhatrw
Jan 2016
#47
Right on the money, as Hillary would say. It's Bernie's time... go Bernie go!
InAbLuEsTaTe
Jan 2016
#152
BE- If another Billionaire Oligarch runs he pulls votes from Hillary and Trump - Bernie Wins!
Ferd Berfel
Jan 2016
#204
omg, you get my vote for post of the day... seriously laughed out loud... good one!
InAbLuEsTaTe
Jan 2016
#153
Yes, definitely... keep it up! I'll hafta remember not to be drinking anything while reading your posts...
InAbLuEsTaTe
Jan 2016
#190
Hey, that's the way to get "change". Try and make people afraid to actually vote for anything
newthinking
Jan 2016
#95
... and that the DLC, DNC, and Turd Way concern for the 99% is pure kabuki.
GoneFishin
Jan 2016
#138
Yah but it's kinda mutual, and many of us would hold our noses .. don't ya think? nt
99th_Monkey
Jan 2016
#174
So then who are these Democrats you implied would be choosing Bloomberg instead?
PoliticAverse
Jan 2016
#58
Notice how he disapeared as soon as you ask a legitamate question? these hillbots are too damm
litlbilly
Jan 2016
#88
LOL yourself. The "far left" is communist and communists never concerned themselves with Nader.
merrily
Jan 2016
#180
Isn't Krugman exactly the kind of economic progressive Sanders supporters would want in a cabinet?
Metric System
Jan 2016
#31
NO. I want someone who's worked IN the field rather than merely written about it.
cherokeeprogressive
Jan 2016
#143
Exactly. He works for Judith Miller's NY Times. He knows who butters his bread. nt
mhatrw
Jan 2016
#75
If his economic theories are right, why aren't they being implemented all over the world?
cherokeeprogressive
Jan 2016
#146
LOL. So Sanders supporters are trying to "frighten" Clinton supporters into what?
mhatrw
Jan 2016
#104
LOLZ! Now Krugman is the Democratic Establishment. It's like listening to 9 year olds
KittyWampus
Jan 2016
#49
Don't you know? Anyone who doesn't support Sanders is part of the "establishment".
Beacool
Jan 2016
#161
they're afraid of BLOOMBERG! sing it to the mountains! they think that the party's
MisterP
Jan 2016
#76
Sounds to me that Krugman doesn't trust 'centrist'/third-way democrats to be faithful
HereSince1628
Jan 2016
#77
I guess Krugman's call to hold those who got us into Iraq accountable was all a sham
Chathamization
Jan 2016
#98
Also, Krugman saying that it's wrong to say that a Democratic presidential rival has no chance:
Chathamization
Jan 2016
#103
How much will it cost Bloomberg to learn he hasn't a snowballs chance in hell?
mikehiggins
Jan 2016
#105
Yeah, right. All the Bernie-skeptics are either "desperate" or part of the "establishment."
pnwmom
Jan 2016
#106
He's not a Bernie-skeptic in this blog post. He is fearmongering about Bernie's coming nomination.
mhatrw
Jan 2016
#116
So you agree that it is realistic that most Clinton supporters will abandon the
mhatrw
Jan 2016
#121
Really? Are you sure? I think we need to gauge that with some TOS loyalty oath polls. nt
mhatrw
Jan 2016
#119
I have my doubts that Hillary would support Bernie if he wins. This is her last dance
A Simple Game
Jan 2016
#149
If you don't vote for neoliberal Hillary Clinton the plutocrats will shove Trump down your throat!
raindaddy
Jan 2016
#142
I will not let the establishment terrorize me into supporting Hillary Clinton
Jack Rabbit
Jan 2016
#148
But wait! I just read at DU: "Breaking: Krugman endorses Single Payer and Medicare for All!!!"
Hekate
Jan 2016
#156
Wow. The establishment is crapping themselves so much that the believe that brining in a
R. Daneel Olivaw
Jan 2016
#158
Okay I tried to finish the comments (all of which were good) but cannot stand it any longer.
senz
Jan 2016
#169
I don't think I have ever made a postive post about Krugman, even if I agreed with
merrily
Jan 2016
#179
mhatrw—Paul Krugman proved not only is he not a “liberal”…he is an enemy to those who are.
CobaltBlue
Jun 2016
#205