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2016 Postmortem

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John Poet

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Mon Jan 25, 2016, 06:02 AM Jan 2016

Hillary Seeks NEO-CON Shelter (against the Sanders storm) [View all]

Comment: Having lived through eight years of a Neocon president in the White House, and eight years of Neocon "aftertaste" within the Obama administration, has been more than enough Neocon to last me for the rest of my life. I CERTAINLY don't wish to see a new fully Neocon administration led by a professed Democrat.

If anybody really wanted another Neocon President, "Jeb!" would be in the lead for the GOP nomination. Seems that even Republicans don't want a Neocon encore.

This article describes a lot of Hillary's behind-the-scenes neocon-maneuverings within the Obama administration, of which many are probably not aware. I strongly suggest reading the whole article. ~ John Poet




Stunned by falling poll numbers, Hillary Clinton is hoping that Democrats will rally to her neocon-oriented foreign policy and break with Bernie Sanders as insufficiently devoted to Israel. But will that hawkish strategy work this time?


by Robert Parry

In seeking to put Sen. Bernie Sanders on the defensive over his foreign policy positions, ex-Secretary of State Hillary Clinton is embracing a neoconservative stance on the Middle East and gambling that her more hawkish approach will win over Democratic voters.

Losing ground in Iowa and New Hampshire in recent polls, the Clinton campaign has counterattacked against Sanders, targeting his sometimes muddled comments on the Mideast crisis, but Clinton’s attack line suggests that Sanders isn’t adequately committed to the positions of Israel’s right-wing Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and his American neocon acolytes.

Clinton’s strategy is to hit Sanders for seeking a gradual normalization of relations with Iran, while Clinton has opted for the neocon position of demonizing Iran and siding with Israel and its quiet alliance with Saudi Arabia and other Sunni states that share Israel’s animosity toward Shiite-ruled Iran.

By attaching herself to this neocon approach of hyping every conceivable offense by Iran while largely excusing the human rights crimes of Israel, Saudi Arabia and the Sunni-run states, Clinton is betting that most Democratic voters share the neocon-dominated “group think” of Official Washington: “Iran-our-enemy, Israel/Saudi Arabia-our-friends.”

She made similar calculations when she voted for and supported President George W. Bush’s invasion and occupation of Iraq; when she sided with the neocons in pushing President Barack Obama to escalate the war in Afghanistan; and when she instigated “regime change” in Libya – all policies that had dubious and dangerous outcomes. But she seems to still believe that she will benefit politically if she continues siding with the neocons and their “liberal interventionist” side-kicks.


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Arguably, Obama’s most fateful decision of his presidency occurred shortly after the 2008 election when he opted for the trendy idea of a “team of rivals” to run his foreign policy. He left Bush family loyalist Robert Gates as Secretary of Defense, retained a neocon-dominated senior officer corps led by the likes of Gen. David Petraeus, and picked hawkish Sen. Hillary Clinton to be Secretary of State. Thus, Obama never took control of his own foreign policy.

The troika of Clinton-Gates-Petraeus challenged Obama over his desire to wind down the Afghan War, bureaucratically mouse-trapping him into an ill-advised “surge” that accomplished little other than getting another 1,750 U.S. soldiers killed along with many more Afghans. Nearly three-quarters of the 2,380 U.S. soldiers who died in Afghanistan were killed on Obama’s watch.

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Gates also reported on what he regarded as a stunning admission by Clinton, writing: “The exchange that followed was remarkable. In strongly supporting the surge in Afghanistan, Hillary told the president that her opposition to the surge in Iraq had been political because she was facing him in the Iowa primary [in 2008]. She went on to say, ‘The Iraq surge worked.’

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Read more:
http://www.commondreams.org/views/2016/01/24/hillary-clinton-seeks-neocon-shelter
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Kicked, recommended and bookmarked. Uncle Joe Jan 2016 #1
You're welcome, thought it was worth reading. John Poet Jan 2016 #3
It was an excellent and most enlightening read on what was happening behind the doors. Uncle Joe Jan 2016 #4
Yes... how anyone can vote for Hillary based on what we now know about her Neocon ways is beyond me! InAbLuEsTaTe Jan 2016 #26
Neocons have an actual governing philsophy foul as it might be Fumesucker Jan 2016 #2
Well said... which is precisely why we need a REAL progressive as our candidate... InAbLuEsTaTe Jan 2016 #27
+1 cui bono Jan 2016 #43
K&R Paka Jan 2016 #5
THIS IS WHY HILLARY CAN NOT BE PRESIDENT! ENOUGH DAMNED WARS!!!!! tecelote Jan 2016 #6
Hillary voters are wedded to her for reasons I cannot even begin to understand... good luck changin their minds. InAbLuEsTaTe Jan 2016 #29
Yep, they are a harder sell than my Republican friends, canoeist52 Jan 2016 #31
The worst thing Bush did was invade Iraq, something for which Hillary advocated. Democrats condemned merrily Jan 2016 #7
Not this democrat pengu Jan 2016 #16
Perfect Cross-Post. tecelote Jan 2016 #8
NOW we know how Barack was pushed "behind the scenes". John Poet Jan 2016 #9
Not news to me... suspected all along. Hillary is dangerous and must be defeated. InAbLuEsTaTe Jan 2016 #32
This message was self-deleted by its author InAbLuEsTaTe Jan 2016 #33
Perfect cross-post is right. Thank you. RedCappedBandit Jan 2016 #24
Whenever Hillary speaks about the Middle East, she sounds just like any neocon Repug. reformist2 Jan 2016 #10
I wish I could rec this twice. beam me up scottie Jan 2016 #11
"we have given them the gift of freedom" jesus that is vile. nt m-lekktor Jan 2016 #14
I bet you can. msanthrope Jan 2016 #30
Struck a nerve, eh? beam me up scottie Jan 2016 #42
Apparently, yours. nt msanthrope Jan 2016 #52
The death and destruction we brought to Iraq being referred to as a "gift"? beam me up scottie Jan 2016 #53
I think the nerve I struck was not so lofty. nt msanthrope Jan 2016 #56
More projection. beam me up scottie Jan 2016 #57
I have nothing to say to you about the Iraq war. Believe it. nt msanthrope Jan 2016 #58
That's been obvious from the start. Good, we're done here. beam me up scottie Jan 2016 #59
I have nothing to say to *you.* msanthrope Jan 2016 #62
Then why do you keep replying to *me*? beam me up scottie Jan 2016 #63
You're in the wrong thread. libdem4life Jan 2016 #60
Yes.....as you joined this site 11 years after I did, please, continue msanthrope Jan 2016 #61
And that means exactly what? But I'm flattered you looked me up. n/t libdem4life Jan 2016 #64
it means I'm laughing at your authoritarianism. nt msanthrope Jan 2016 #65
So, I took another look...and stand by my post. Sorry you find it authoritarian. libdem4life Jan 2016 #66
Ugh, utterly repulsive farleftlib Jan 2016 #39
Gave them the freedom to walk around their bombed out infrastructure cui bono Jan 2016 #44
Raw sewage running down the streets, hospitals in ruins. beam me up scottie Jan 2016 #45
So ejbr Jan 2016 #12
Considering her support of all the "free trade" policies and treaties John Poet Jan 2016 #13
Her differing viewpoints are confusing. Here's a time line to help sort it out~ RiverLover Jan 2016 #18
! ejbr Jan 2016 #19
Wow! Great post. tecelote Jan 2016 #21
Need a bookmark function for replies! pinebox Jan 2016 #34
Good post. n/t cui bono Jan 2016 #46
Thank you, RiverLover. senz Jan 2016 #48
It makes me a bit nauseous thinking of all the people who do trust her. Who only look at how RiverLover Jan 2016 #50
We should oppose HRC's neocon foreign policy. Innocent lives are at stake. Vattel Jan 2016 #15
K&R Mbrow Jan 2016 #17
Great article nyabingi Jan 2016 #20
Clinton Campaign caught in another LIE: Martin Eden Jan 2016 #22
Kick & Rec Agony Jan 2016 #23
I liked it when Bernie Sanders said in the last debate that he wants normalization Eric J in MN Jan 2016 #25
I liked it that this was debunked two posts before you made it. (nt) jeff47 Jan 2016 #35
Here is his entire answer in the last debate Eric J in MN Jan 2016 #36
This time, read the last paragraph. jeff47 Jan 2016 #37
He wants to 'move as aggressively as we can to normalize relations with Iran' Eric J in MN Jan 2016 #38
Which means at some, undefined point in the future, whereas your post jeff47 Jan 2016 #40
Bernie has a very clear Madmiddle Jan 2016 #28
I approached the 2008 election fully prepared to vote for Hillary Clinton. summerschild Jan 2016 #41
There's a striking absence of Hillary-policy defenders John Poet Jan 2016 #47
K&R This is an amazing thread. senz Jan 2016 #49
I've followed Robert Parry's work for years Oilwellian Jan 2016 #51
Hillary is a huge NEOCON amborin Jan 2016 #54
K&R&B. eom Betty Karlson Jan 2016 #55
K & R AzDar Jan 2016 #67
HILLARY is what went wrong with Obama's foreign policy. John Poet Jan 2016 #68
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