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In reply to the discussion: Hillary Seeks NEO-CON Shelter (against the Sanders storm) [View all]RiverLover
(7,830 posts)18. Her differing viewpoints are confusing. Here's a time line to help sort it out~
....snip flip-flopping from 1993-2008...
2010:
"First, let me underscore President Obama's and my commitment to the Free Trade Agreement. We are going to continue to work to obtain the votes in the Congress to be able to pass it. We think it's strongly in the interests of both Colombia and the United States. And I return very invigorated ... to begin a very intensive effort to try to obtain the votes to get the Free Trade Agreement finally ratified." (June 11, 2010: On RCN Television. She also flew her husband in for dinner in Bogota, Colombia, with key players. Bill Clinton has always been in favor; his foundation has taken money from people with business interests there, as reported and written about in a forthcoming book by Peter Schweizer.)
2011:
"Getting this done together sends a powerful message that America and Korea are partners for the long-term and that America is fully embracing its role as a Pacific power. ... I want to state as strongly as I can how committed the Obama Administration is to passing the Korea-U.S. Free Trade Agreement this year. ... This is a priority for me, for President Obama and for the entire administration. We are determined to get it done, and I believe we will." (April 16, 2011: In a talk to a business group in Seoul, South Korea.)
2012:
"We need to keep upping our game both bilaterally and with partners across the region through agreements like the Trans-Pacific Partnership or TPP. ... This TPP sets the gold standard in trade agreements to open free, transparent, fair trade, the kind of environment that has the rule of law and a level playing field. And when negotiated, this agreement will cover 40 percent of the world's total trade and build in strong protections for workers and the environment." (Nov. 15, 2012: Comments in Australia.)
2014:
"One of our most important tools for engaging with Vietnam was a proposed new trade agreement called the Trans-Pacific Partnership (TPP), which would link markets throughout Asia and the Americas, lowering trade barriers while raising standards on labor, the environment, and intellectual property. ... It was also important for American workers, who would benefit from competing on a more level playing field. And it was a strategic initiative that would strengthen the position of the United States in Asia." (From her second memoir, Hard Choices.)
2015:
"Hillary Clinton believes that any new trade measure has to pass two tests. First, it should put us in a position to protect American workers, raise wages and create more good jobs at home. Second, it must also strengthen our national security. We should be willing to walk away from any outcome that falls short of these tests. The goal is greater prosperity and security for American families, not trade for trade's sake."
Specifically regarding TPP: "She will be watching closely to see what is being done to crack down on currency manipulation, improve labor rights, protect the environment and health, promote transparency and open new opportunities for our small businesses to export overseas."
http://www.npr.org/sections/itsallpolitics/2015/04/21/401123124/a-timeline-of-hillary-clintons-evolution-on-trade
2010:
"First, let me underscore President Obama's and my commitment to the Free Trade Agreement. We are going to continue to work to obtain the votes in the Congress to be able to pass it. We think it's strongly in the interests of both Colombia and the United States. And I return very invigorated ... to begin a very intensive effort to try to obtain the votes to get the Free Trade Agreement finally ratified." (June 11, 2010: On RCN Television. She also flew her husband in for dinner in Bogota, Colombia, with key players. Bill Clinton has always been in favor; his foundation has taken money from people with business interests there, as reported and written about in a forthcoming book by Peter Schweizer.)
2011:
"Getting this done together sends a powerful message that America and Korea are partners for the long-term and that America is fully embracing its role as a Pacific power. ... I want to state as strongly as I can how committed the Obama Administration is to passing the Korea-U.S. Free Trade Agreement this year. ... This is a priority for me, for President Obama and for the entire administration. We are determined to get it done, and I believe we will." (April 16, 2011: In a talk to a business group in Seoul, South Korea.)
2012:
"We need to keep upping our game both bilaterally and with partners across the region through agreements like the Trans-Pacific Partnership or TPP. ... This TPP sets the gold standard in trade agreements to open free, transparent, fair trade, the kind of environment that has the rule of law and a level playing field. And when negotiated, this agreement will cover 40 percent of the world's total trade and build in strong protections for workers and the environment." (Nov. 15, 2012: Comments in Australia.)
2014:
"One of our most important tools for engaging with Vietnam was a proposed new trade agreement called the Trans-Pacific Partnership (TPP), which would link markets throughout Asia and the Americas, lowering trade barriers while raising standards on labor, the environment, and intellectual property. ... It was also important for American workers, who would benefit from competing on a more level playing field. And it was a strategic initiative that would strengthen the position of the United States in Asia." (From her second memoir, Hard Choices.)
2015:
"Hillary Clinton believes that any new trade measure has to pass two tests. First, it should put us in a position to protect American workers, raise wages and create more good jobs at home. Second, it must also strengthen our national security. We should be willing to walk away from any outcome that falls short of these tests. The goal is greater prosperity and security for American families, not trade for trade's sake."
Specifically regarding TPP: "She will be watching closely to see what is being done to crack down on currency manipulation, improve labor rights, protect the environment and health, promote transparency and open new opportunities for our small businesses to export overseas."
http://www.npr.org/sections/itsallpolitics/2015/04/21/401123124/a-timeline-of-hillary-clintons-evolution-on-trade
She Is all in for the TPP in my opinion. She did play a major role in writing it after all. She worked very hard for big businesses globally while serving as "our" SoS.
Hillary Clinton is very aware of the advantages of being Hillary Clinton, and didnt seek permission when she not-so-subtly encroached on the Commerce Departments turf to install herself as the governments highest-ranking business lobbyist. On her scores of overseas tripsat 956,733 miles and 401 days on the road, she is the most-traveled secretary of stateshes made pitching U.S. companies part of her routine.
Clinton has directed a lot of her attention to opening new markets for the U.S. in the developing world, where China is establishing a significant presence. Chinese companies have poured capital into poor regions of Africa where foreign aid from Washington once gave the U.S. leverage. In resource-rich countries such as Turkmenistan and Afghanistan, U.S. companies have recently lost major contracts to state-subsidized Chinese outfits.
In the global economic order that emerged after World War II, the U.S. and its allies took American dominance for granted. They did not envision China as the second-biggest economy in the world, Clinton says. She doesnt think theres anything wrong with Chinas desire to extend its reach. I dont hold that against them, she says. I just hold it against us if were not out there pushing back.
Shes pressed the case for U.S. business in Cambodia, Singapore, Vietnam, Indonesia, and other countries in Chinas shadow. Shes also taken a leading part in drafting the Trans-Pacific Partnership, the free-trade pact that would give U.S. companies a leg up on their Chinese competitors. The State Department even has had limited success in prying open Chinese markets to U.S. companies. In 2011, after extensive haggling with U.S. Ambassador to China Gary Locke, the Chinese government allowed Titanic 3D and other Hollywood movies to be shown in Beijing theaters. And that same year, after talks with Clinton, the Chinese relaxed so-called indigenous innovation rules that kept U.S. companies from competing for government technology contracts there. Not that they would ever admit that the Americansthat the secretarysaid this, and therefore [they] changed, says Clinton, whos been careful not to brag too loudly about these deals. A lot of this you cannot claim, because then you kind of force the people on the other side to lose face.
For U.S. companies overseas, a personal appeal from Clinton opens doors and unravels red tape....
Hillary Clinton's Business Legacy at the State Department
Clinton has directed a lot of her attention to opening new markets for the U.S. in the developing world, where China is establishing a significant presence. Chinese companies have poured capital into poor regions of Africa where foreign aid from Washington once gave the U.S. leverage. In resource-rich countries such as Turkmenistan and Afghanistan, U.S. companies have recently lost major contracts to state-subsidized Chinese outfits.
In the global economic order that emerged after World War II, the U.S. and its allies took American dominance for granted. They did not envision China as the second-biggest economy in the world, Clinton says. She doesnt think theres anything wrong with Chinas desire to extend its reach. I dont hold that against them, she says. I just hold it against us if were not out there pushing back.
Shes pressed the case for U.S. business in Cambodia, Singapore, Vietnam, Indonesia, and other countries in Chinas shadow. Shes also taken a leading part in drafting the Trans-Pacific Partnership, the free-trade pact that would give U.S. companies a leg up on their Chinese competitors. The State Department even has had limited success in prying open Chinese markets to U.S. companies. In 2011, after extensive haggling with U.S. Ambassador to China Gary Locke, the Chinese government allowed Titanic 3D and other Hollywood movies to be shown in Beijing theaters. And that same year, after talks with Clinton, the Chinese relaxed so-called indigenous innovation rules that kept U.S. companies from competing for government technology contracts there. Not that they would ever admit that the Americansthat the secretarysaid this, and therefore [they] changed, says Clinton, whos been careful not to brag too loudly about these deals. A lot of this you cannot claim, because then you kind of force the people on the other side to lose face.
For U.S. companies overseas, a personal appeal from Clinton opens doors and unravels red tape....
Hillary Clinton's Business Legacy at the State Department
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It was an excellent and most enlightening read on what was happening behind the doors.
Uncle Joe
Jan 2016
#4
Yes... how anyone can vote for Hillary based on what we now know about her Neocon ways is beyond me!
InAbLuEsTaTe
Jan 2016
#26
Well said... which is precisely why we need a REAL progressive as our candidate...
InAbLuEsTaTe
Jan 2016
#27
Hillary voters are wedded to her for reasons I cannot even begin to understand... good luck changin their minds.
InAbLuEsTaTe
Jan 2016
#29
The worst thing Bush did was invade Iraq, something for which Hillary advocated. Democrats condemned
merrily
Jan 2016
#7
Not news to me... suspected all along. Hillary is dangerous and must be defeated.
InAbLuEsTaTe
Jan 2016
#32
Whenever Hillary speaks about the Middle East, she sounds just like any neocon Repug.
reformist2
Jan 2016
#10
The death and destruction we brought to Iraq being referred to as a "gift"?
beam me up scottie
Jan 2016
#53
So, I took another look...and stand by my post. Sorry you find it authoritarian.
libdem4life
Jan 2016
#66
Her differing viewpoints are confusing. Here's a time line to help sort it out~
RiverLover
Jan 2016
#18
It makes me a bit nauseous thinking of all the people who do trust her. Who only look at how
RiverLover
Jan 2016
#50
I liked it when Bernie Sanders said in the last debate that he wants normalization
Eric J in MN
Jan 2016
#25
He wants to 'move as aggressively as we can to normalize relations with Iran'
Eric J in MN
Jan 2016
#38
I approached the 2008 election fully prepared to vote for Hillary Clinton.
summerschild
Jan 2016
#41