2016 Postmortem

Motown_Johnny

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40. I think you missed the employer contribution.

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Tue Jan 26, 2016, 03:43 PM

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Avg health care spend is $6,125 (working age) and $3,628 (child) but Bernie claims you only pay $466 [View all] hill2016 Jan 2016 OP

Of course you would HassleCat Jan 2016 #1

if somebody hill2016 Jan 2016 #5

That would be suspicious. HassleCat Jan 2016 #8

well hill2016 Jan 2016 #11

Oh, the Republican argument! HassleCat Jan 2016 #24

maths isn't liberal or conservative hill2016 Jan 2016 #29

Where did you do any actual math? kristopher Jan 2016 #54

per capita cost per 4 person family household hill2016 Jan 2016 #113

As I wrote; kristopher Jan 2016 #123

Ezra Klein: Bernie Sanders’s single-payer plan isn’t a plan at all Bill USA Jan 2016 #105

Your numbers are bogus because they are incomplete kristopher Jan 2016 #62

Ezra Klein: Bernie Sanders’s single-payer plan isn’t a plan at all - see link Bill USA Jan 2016 #106

2009 Ezra Klein: The Deceptive Strategy Underlying Obamacare kristopher Jan 2016 #110

I am all for single payer. But it's not doable unless we can win BOTH House & Senate. Without Bill USA Jan 2016 #111

Then join the Sanders Campaign. kristopher Jan 2016 #112

Well, many here are happy to pay twice as much as necessary for healthcare... Human101948 Jan 2016 #23

Half the health care at twice the price. It's the American way! rurallib Jan 2016 #78

We are definitely exceptional... Human101948 Jan 2016 #79

I'd walk away from the candidate that sold us a war in Iraq. n/t PoliticAverse Jan 2016 #2

Where do the costs magically disappear to? We eliminate the middle-man, the insurance companies arcane1 Jan 2016 #3

by law hill2016 Jan 2016 #4

You're not answering the question elias49 Jan 2016 #7

It's almost as if the point of the post was to pretend there's no answer. arcane1 Jan 2016 #10

I already said hill2016 Jan 2016 #12

You are trying to say that that 20% includes their profits? Goblinmonger Jan 2016 #48

the 20% includes profits. Bill USA Jan 2016 #108

ACA, law of the land hill2016 Jan 2016 #114

Yes, 20% is the legal limit of all overhead, administration, and profits Recursion Jan 2016 #121

And in a single-payer system, that 20% of spending goes in your pocket instead of theirs. arcane1 Jan 2016 #15

ok great hill2016 Jan 2016 #17

So let it offset those savings. What's wrong with that? arcane1 Jan 2016 #18

how do people save under a single payer system? hill2016 Jan 2016 #30

By not wasting money on insurance companies. You know this. Why pretend otherwise? arcane1 Jan 2016 #70

I just pointed out that you will get 30m newly insured people hill2016 Jan 2016 #115

They're not "insured" n/t arcane1 Jan 2016 #116

And those people fall into the economic bracket that will pay no new taxes Fearless Jan 2016 #21

then how to families save under a single payer system? hill2016 Jan 2016 #31

Look at the ACA Medical Loss Ratio of 15‰ and subtract out costs for admin costs that will Hoyt Jan 2016 #28

That cuts 4% out of our spending, so it's not that (nt) Recursion Jan 2016 #44

1) Eliminate overhead + profit + inefficiency jeff47 Jan 2016 #6

ok hill2016 Jan 2016 #13

No, that's called insurance. jeff47 Jan 2016 #16

if you have insurance hill2016 Jan 2016 #19

No, you aren't paying your actuarial cost, thanks to community rating. jeff47 Jan 2016 #20

so my point is hill2016 Jan 2016 #33

The cost of ACA subsidies is shifted massively to other people. Autumn Jan 2016 #42

No, your point is utterly wrong. jeff47 Jan 2016 #45

How do you get off, spouting right wing "everyone for themself" rhetoric? hedda_foil Jan 2016 #87

No solo primary care doctor's office is staffed like that. Hoyt Jan 2016 #32

Solo primary care doctor's offices went away in the 1980s. jeff47 Jan 2016 #39

Fine, if you have 5 MDs and some PA/NPs, you'll have that much billing staff Hoyt Jan 2016 #58

Ever filed a Blue Cross claim? jeff47 Jan 2016 #66

It pretty much the same nowadays -- same claim form, same CPT/HCPCS codes, same diagnoses codes, etc Hoyt Jan 2016 #67

But it isn't quite the same. Each one has slightly different quirks. jeff47 Jan 2016 #69

Pretty much the same. The appeal process for most claims is resubmitting the claim form with medical Hoyt Jan 2016 #75

Yeah, BC/BS appeal process is a cakewalk!!!! jeff47 Jan 2016 #77

Obviously, you don't. You are just making junk up. I know the requirements are different in Canada Hoyt Jan 2016 #80

So we eliminate jobs? Ok. hack89 Jan 2016 #36

No one knows. jeff47 Jan 2016 #41

It is not going to give people "lots" of money hack89 Jan 2016 #46

It would give me $6000 per year. jeff47 Jan 2016 #50

Imaginary math with imaginary numbers is easy hack89 Jan 2016 #55

Well, that's based on Sanders's actual proposal. jeff47 Jan 2016 #64

A proposal that has been heavily criticized as being unrealistic. hack89 Jan 2016 #65

Yeah, so was the ACA. So was Medicare. So was Social Security. jeff47 Jan 2016 #71

No - by definition they were realistic because they worked hack89 Jan 2016 #73

They were labeled just as unrealistic before they passed. jeff47 Jan 2016 #76

So you have no idea how much money you will actually save, if any. hack89 Jan 2016 #82

As much as I've tried to avoid commenting in the GD:P forum, I would like to ask you a question R.A. Ganoush Jan 2016 #63

I didn't say 2/3rds. They also employs people like nurses. jeff47 Jan 2016 #68

Thanks for your reply R.A. Ganoush Jan 2016 #81

You already know the answer unc70 Jan 2016 #9

"Deliberately obtuse" is how I would describe this growing trend here n/t arcane1 Jan 2016 #14

When you come right out using the exact same points that Trump and Rubio Autumn Jan 2016 #43

Depending on income matt819 Jan 2016 #22

Honestly, Bernie could say it would cost $20 per family and most of his fans would believe it. DanTex Jan 2016 #25

Is there a particular tune you like to whistle while you walk past that place where they put cherokeeprogressive Jan 2016 #34

Every other developed natiion manages to pay less and get better results whatthehey Jan 2016 #26

Walk then. cherokeeprogressive Jan 2016 #27

RIght out of "What's the matter with Kansas" now coming from HIllarry supporters Ferd Berfel Jan 2016 #35

+1 Matariki Jan 2016 #93

I'm Here for ya. Ferd Berfel Jan 2016 #96

+1 draa Jan 2016 #101

It's amazing what happens when profit is not the first concern when it comes to health. Vinca Jan 2016 #37

Cutting outrageous prices and corp profits would do it. Marrah_G Jan 2016 #38

I think you missed the employer contribution. Motown_Johnny Jan 2016 #40

thank you for pointing out the obvious questionseverything Jan 2016 #57

As someone who is self employed... pinstikfartherin Jan 2016 #72

i agree, i was just pointing out the self employed pay both parts questionseverything Jan 2016 #74

When I was self employed health insurance costs were staggering. Warren Stupidity Jan 2016 #88

Where do the costs magically disappear to? workinclasszero Jan 2016 #47

What will Clinton get done with the "teabag house of reps"? Goblinmonger Jan 2016 #51

Well tbh Bernie wouldn't have a problem workinclasszero Jan 2016 #53

Said no poll ever. Goblinmonger Jan 2016 #56

Bs. workinclasszero Jan 2016 #59

Because they are scared of Clinton? Goblinmonger Jan 2016 #60

So either Hillary's oppo research team really sucks, or there is nothing to throw at Sanders.. frylock Jan 2016 #109

Bernie likely plans to pay doctors a whole lot less.... Sancho Jan 2016 #49

Doctors in the other countries don't have giant malpractice insurance premiums to pay Vinca Jan 2016 #89

I know how it works... Sancho Jan 2016 #90

So we should curl up in a ball and remain #38. Vinca Jan 2016 #91

Where do you get off making assumptions for me? Sancho Jan 2016 #92

If I read someone's posting I always form an opinion of them from their words. Vinca Jan 2016 #95

Haha..what are you then??? Sancho Jan 2016 #97

I guess it depends on what kind of Democrat you are. Vinca Jan 2016 #98

I'm the liberal kind kind of Democrat that believes in real change.... Sancho Jan 2016 #99

So I take it you are enjoying Medicare . . . as am I. Vinca Jan 2016 #100

Medicare is great...and it makes my point! Sancho Jan 2016 #104

Here's a recent article from an expert that makes my point... Sancho Jan 2016 #118

Here's another OpEd making the same argument... Sancho Jan 2016 #120

I'm done arguing with you. Vote Hillary and enjoy the status quo. Vinca Jan 2016 #124

I guess this must be an example of that "free college free health care!" stuff that Trump, Rubio Autumn Jan 2016 #52

In Canada, 2013, a Canadian family of four paid $11,320 (CAD) for public health care in taxes... Agnosticsherbet Jan 2016 #61

And those Canadian and British doctors are working for much less than in the US Sancho Jan 2016 #85

I like the idea of Medicare for All, but I want to know upfront what it will cost. Agnosticsherbet Jan 2016 #86

Payroll tax on 50k is 4400. Warren Stupidity Jan 2016 #107

The cost doesn't disappear, it's 2.2% and 6.4% payroll taxes that are paid by someoen making 50,000 uponit7771 Jan 2016 #83

While we are digging deeply into these numbers Nanjeanne Jan 2016 #84

Are you going to keep your DU username after Clinton loses the primary? Matariki Jan 2016 #94

HERE's A SIMPLE FACT--NO HEALTHCARE SYSTEM WORKS ECONOMICALLY Armstead Jan 2016 #102

Some basics of how it's gotta happen: Ron Green Jan 2016 #103

what about cost control? hill2016 Jan 2016 #117

Are you serious? Every one of those items is about cost control. Ron Green Jan 2016 #119

what about cost control on benefits...? hill2016 Jan 2016 #126

How will the docs, pharma execs, and equipment CEOs take a hit? Recursion Jan 2016 #122

Well, that's part of the system change that's got to come, Ron Green Jan 2016 #125

How would Sanders change that part of the system? Recursion Jan 2016 #127

Taking greed out of the HC system, or any system, is Ron Green Jan 2016 #128