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Vinca

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89. Doctors in the other countries don't have giant malpractice insurance premiums to pay
Wed Jan 27, 2016, 08:54 AM
Jan 2016

and they don't have to hire extra personnel to fill out 50 different insurance forms. In some cases they don't have to have anything to do with maintaining an office. Add to that the college debt U.S. doctors have and it's probably more profitable to be a physician in some of the countries you've cited. From your chart, it's hard not to wonder why the country with the highest paid doctors doesn't have the healthiest population. Last time I checked we were #38. Apparently money doesn't buy good care.

Of course you would HassleCat Jan 2016 #1
if somebody hill2016 Jan 2016 #5
That would be suspicious. HassleCat Jan 2016 #8
well hill2016 Jan 2016 #11
Oh, the Republican argument! HassleCat Jan 2016 #24
maths isn't liberal or conservative hill2016 Jan 2016 #29
Where did you do any actual math? kristopher Jan 2016 #54
per capita cost per 4 person family household hill2016 Jan 2016 #113
As I wrote; kristopher Jan 2016 #123
Ezra Klein: Bernie Sanders’s single-payer plan isn’t a plan at all Bill USA Jan 2016 #105
Your numbers are bogus because they are incomplete kristopher Jan 2016 #62
Ezra Klein: Bernie Sanders’s single-payer plan isn’t a plan at all - see link Bill USA Jan 2016 #106
2009 Ezra Klein: The Deceptive Strategy Underlying Obamacare kristopher Jan 2016 #110
I am all for single payer. But it's not doable unless we can win BOTH House & Senate. Without Bill USA Jan 2016 #111
Then join the Sanders Campaign. kristopher Jan 2016 #112
Well, many here are happy to pay twice as much as necessary for healthcare... Human101948 Jan 2016 #23
Half the health care at twice the price. It's the American way! rurallib Jan 2016 #78
We are definitely exceptional... Human101948 Jan 2016 #79
I'd walk away from the candidate that sold us a war in Iraq. n/t PoliticAverse Jan 2016 #2
Where do the costs magically disappear to? We eliminate the middle-man, the insurance companies arcane1 Jan 2016 #3
by law hill2016 Jan 2016 #4
You're not answering the question elias49 Jan 2016 #7
It's almost as if the point of the post was to pretend there's no answer. arcane1 Jan 2016 #10
I already said hill2016 Jan 2016 #12
You are trying to say that that 20% includes their profits? Goblinmonger Jan 2016 #48
the 20% includes profits. Bill USA Jan 2016 #108
ACA, law of the land hill2016 Jan 2016 #114
Yes, 20% is the legal limit of all overhead, administration, and profits Recursion Jan 2016 #121
And in a single-payer system, that 20% of spending goes in your pocket instead of theirs. arcane1 Jan 2016 #15
ok great hill2016 Jan 2016 #17
So let it offset those savings. What's wrong with that? arcane1 Jan 2016 #18
how do people save under a single payer system? hill2016 Jan 2016 #30
By not wasting money on insurance companies. You know this. Why pretend otherwise? arcane1 Jan 2016 #70
I just pointed out that you will get 30m newly insured people hill2016 Jan 2016 #115
They're not "insured" n/t arcane1 Jan 2016 #116
And those people fall into the economic bracket that will pay no new taxes Fearless Jan 2016 #21
then how to families save under a single payer system? hill2016 Jan 2016 #31
Look at the ACA Medical Loss Ratio of 15‰ and subtract out costs for admin costs that will Hoyt Jan 2016 #28
That cuts 4% out of our spending, so it's not that (nt) Recursion Jan 2016 #44
1) Eliminate overhead + profit + inefficiency jeff47 Jan 2016 #6
ok hill2016 Jan 2016 #13
No, that's called insurance. jeff47 Jan 2016 #16
if you have insurance hill2016 Jan 2016 #19
No, you aren't paying your actuarial cost, thanks to community rating. jeff47 Jan 2016 #20
so my point is hill2016 Jan 2016 #33
The cost of ACA subsidies is shifted massively to other people. Autumn Jan 2016 #42
No, your point is utterly wrong. jeff47 Jan 2016 #45
How do you get off, spouting right wing "everyone for themself" rhetoric? hedda_foil Jan 2016 #87
No solo primary care doctor's office is staffed like that. Hoyt Jan 2016 #32
Solo primary care doctor's offices went away in the 1980s. jeff47 Jan 2016 #39
Fine, if you have 5 MDs and some PA/NPs, you'll have that much billing staff Hoyt Jan 2016 #58
Ever filed a Blue Cross claim? jeff47 Jan 2016 #66
It pretty much the same nowadays -- same claim form, same CPT/HCPCS codes, same diagnoses codes, etc Hoyt Jan 2016 #67
But it isn't quite the same. Each one has slightly different quirks. jeff47 Jan 2016 #69
Pretty much the same. The appeal process for most claims is resubmitting the claim form with medical Hoyt Jan 2016 #75
Yeah, BC/BS appeal process is a cakewalk!!!! jeff47 Jan 2016 #77
Obviously, you don't. You are just making junk up. I know the requirements are different in Canada Hoyt Jan 2016 #80
So we eliminate jobs? Ok. hack89 Jan 2016 #36
No one knows. jeff47 Jan 2016 #41
It is not going to give people "lots" of money hack89 Jan 2016 #46
It would give me $6000 per year. jeff47 Jan 2016 #50
Imaginary math with imaginary numbers is easy hack89 Jan 2016 #55
Well, that's based on Sanders's actual proposal. jeff47 Jan 2016 #64
A proposal that has been heavily criticized as being unrealistic. hack89 Jan 2016 #65
Yeah, so was the ACA. So was Medicare. So was Social Security. jeff47 Jan 2016 #71
No - by definition they were realistic because they worked hack89 Jan 2016 #73
They were labeled just as unrealistic before they passed. jeff47 Jan 2016 #76
So you have no idea how much money you will actually save, if any. hack89 Jan 2016 #82
As much as I've tried to avoid commenting in the GD:P forum, I would like to ask you a question R.A. Ganoush Jan 2016 #63
I didn't say 2/3rds. They also employs people like nurses. jeff47 Jan 2016 #68
Thanks for your reply R.A. Ganoush Jan 2016 #81
You already know the answer unc70 Jan 2016 #9
"Deliberately obtuse" is how I would describe this growing trend here n/t arcane1 Jan 2016 #14
When you come right out using the exact same points that Trump and Rubio Autumn Jan 2016 #43
Depending on income matt819 Jan 2016 #22
Honestly, Bernie could say it would cost $20 per family and most of his fans would believe it. DanTex Jan 2016 #25
Is there a particular tune you like to whistle while you walk past that place where they put cherokeeprogressive Jan 2016 #34
Every other developed natiion manages to pay less and get better results whatthehey Jan 2016 #26
Walk then. cherokeeprogressive Jan 2016 #27
RIght out of "What's the matter with Kansas" now coming from HIllarry supporters Ferd Berfel Jan 2016 #35
+1 Matariki Jan 2016 #93
I'm Here for ya. Ferd Berfel Jan 2016 #96
+1 draa Jan 2016 #101
It's amazing what happens when profit is not the first concern when it comes to health. Vinca Jan 2016 #37
Cutting outrageous prices and corp profits would do it. Marrah_G Jan 2016 #38
I think you missed the employer contribution. Motown_Johnny Jan 2016 #40
thank you for pointing out the obvious questionseverything Jan 2016 #57
As someone who is self employed... pinstikfartherin Jan 2016 #72
i agree, i was just pointing out the self employed pay both parts questionseverything Jan 2016 #74
When I was self employed health insurance costs were staggering. Warren Stupidity Jan 2016 #88
Where do the costs magically disappear to? workinclasszero Jan 2016 #47
What will Clinton get done with the "teabag house of reps"? Goblinmonger Jan 2016 #51
Well tbh Bernie wouldn't have a problem workinclasszero Jan 2016 #53
Said no poll ever. Goblinmonger Jan 2016 #56
Bs. workinclasszero Jan 2016 #59
Because they are scared of Clinton? Goblinmonger Jan 2016 #60
So either Hillary's oppo research team really sucks, or there is nothing to throw at Sanders.. frylock Jan 2016 #109
Bernie likely plans to pay doctors a whole lot less.... Sancho Jan 2016 #49
Doctors in the other countries don't have giant malpractice insurance premiums to pay Vinca Jan 2016 #89
I know how it works... Sancho Jan 2016 #90
So we should curl up in a ball and remain #38. Vinca Jan 2016 #91
Where do you get off making assumptions for me? Sancho Jan 2016 #92
If I read someone's posting I always form an opinion of them from their words. Vinca Jan 2016 #95
Haha..what are you then??? Sancho Jan 2016 #97
I guess it depends on what kind of Democrat you are. Vinca Jan 2016 #98
I'm the liberal kind kind of Democrat that believes in real change.... Sancho Jan 2016 #99
So I take it you are enjoying Medicare . . . as am I. Vinca Jan 2016 #100
Medicare is great...and it makes my point! Sancho Jan 2016 #104
Here's a recent article from an expert that makes my point... Sancho Jan 2016 #118
Here's another OpEd making the same argument... Sancho Jan 2016 #120
I'm done arguing with you. Vote Hillary and enjoy the status quo. Vinca Jan 2016 #124
I guess this must be an example of that "free college free health care!" stuff that Trump, Rubio Autumn Jan 2016 #52
In Canada, 2013, a Canadian family of four paid $11,320 (CAD) for public health care in taxes... Agnosticsherbet Jan 2016 #61
And those Canadian and British doctors are working for much less than in the US Sancho Jan 2016 #85
I like the idea of Medicare for All, but I want to know upfront what it will cost. Agnosticsherbet Jan 2016 #86
Payroll tax on 50k is 4400. Warren Stupidity Jan 2016 #107
The cost doesn't disappear, it's 2.2% and 6.4% payroll taxes that are paid by someoen making 50,000 uponit7771 Jan 2016 #83
While we are digging deeply into these numbers Nanjeanne Jan 2016 #84
Are you going to keep your DU username after Clinton loses the primary? Matariki Jan 2016 #94
HERE's A SIMPLE FACT--NO HEALTHCARE SYSTEM WORKS ECONOMICALLY Armstead Jan 2016 #102
Some basics of how it's gotta happen: Ron Green Jan 2016 #103
what about cost control? hill2016 Jan 2016 #117
Are you serious? Every one of those items is about cost control. Ron Green Jan 2016 #119
what about cost control on benefits...? hill2016 Jan 2016 #126
How will the docs, pharma execs, and equipment CEOs take a hit? Recursion Jan 2016 #122
Well, that's part of the system change that's got to come, Ron Green Jan 2016 #125
How would Sanders change that part of the system? Recursion Jan 2016 #127
Taking greed out of the HC system, or any system, is Ron Green Jan 2016 #128
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