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2016 Postmortem
In reply to the discussion: Avg health care spend is $6,125 (working age) and $3,628 (child) but Bernie claims you only pay $466 [View all]kristopher
(29,798 posts)110. 2009 Ezra Klein: The Deceptive Strategy Underlying Obamacare
From DKOS at http://www.dailykos.com/stories/2016/1/22/1473620/--Some-Experts-Like-Krugman-Supported-Single-Payer-Until-Bernie-Sanders-Put-It-in-His-Platform
Posted on January 22, 2016 by Yves Smith Naked Capitalism
Ezra Klein: The Deceptive Strategy Underlying Obamacare, 2009
Then-WaPo-blogger Ezra Klein at Netroots Nation 2008.
James Surowiecki, 2010
http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2010/01/04/fifth-wheel
Jonathan Chait, 2011
http://nymag.com/news/politics/liberals-jonathan-chait-2011-11/
More at: http://www.dailykos.com/stories/2016/1/22/1473620/--Some-Experts-Like-Krugman-Supported-Single-Payer-Until-Bernie-Sanders-Put-It-in-His-Platform
Then-WaPo-blogger Ezra Klein at Netroots Nation 2008.
I would like to sign the insurance companies out of existence with my pen. It would be sweet. But its never going to happen in this country where we have sent a multi-billion dollar industry employing tens of thousands of people in every district in America out in one shot They have a sneaky strategy, the point of which is to put in place something that over time, the natural incentive in its own market [is] to move it to single payer.
James Surowiecki, 2010
http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2010/01/04/fifth-wheel
The truth is that we could do just fine without them: an insurance system with community rating and universal access has no need of private insurers. In fact, the U.S. already has such a system: its known as Medicare. In most areas, its true, private companies do a better job of managing costs and providing services than the government does. But not when it comes to health care: over the past decade, Medicares spending has risen more slowly than that of private insurers. A single-payer system also has the advantage of spreading risk across the biggest patient pool possible. So if you want to make health insurance available to everyone, regardless of risk, the most sensible solution would be to expand Medicare to everyone. Thats not going to happen. The fear of government-run health care, the power of vested interests, and the difficulty of completely overhauling the system have made the single-payer solution a bridge too far for Washington, and for much of the public as well. (Support for a single-payer system hovers around fifty per cent.) Thats why the current reform plans rely instead on a mishmash of regulations, national exchanges, and subsidies. Instead of replacing private insurance companies, the proposed reforms would, in theory, turn them into something like public utilities. Thats how it works in the Netherlands and Switzerland, with reasonably good results. One could recoil in disgust at the inefficiency and incoherence of the processat the fact that private insurers will continue to make billions a year providing services the government has shown, via Medicare, that it can provide on its own. But, messy as the reform plans are, they can still dramatically transform the system for the good. Reform would guarantee that tens of millions of people who dont have insurance will get it, and that people who have insurance now wont have to worry about losing it. And, by writing community rating and universal access into law, Congress will effectively be committing itself to the idea that health care, regardless of risk, is a right. If a little incoherence is the price of that deal, its worth paying.
Jonathan Chait, 2011
http://nymag.com/news/politics/liberals-jonathan-chait-2011-11/
I understand disaffected liberals....
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Avg health care spend is $6,125 (working age) and $3,628 (child) but Bernie claims you only pay $466 [View all]
hill2016
Jan 2016
OP
Ezra Klein: Bernie Sanders’s single-payer plan isn’t a plan at all - see link
Bill USA
Jan 2016
#106
I am all for single payer. But it's not doable unless we can win BOTH House & Senate. Without
Bill USA
Jan 2016
#111
Well, many here are happy to pay twice as much as necessary for healthcare...
Human101948
Jan 2016
#23
Where do the costs magically disappear to? We eliminate the middle-man, the insurance companies
arcane1
Jan 2016
#3
And in a single-payer system, that 20% of spending goes in your pocket instead of theirs.
arcane1
Jan 2016
#15
By not wasting money on insurance companies. You know this. Why pretend otherwise?
arcane1
Jan 2016
#70
Look at the ACA Medical Loss Ratio of 15‰ and subtract out costs for admin costs that will
Hoyt
Jan 2016
#28
It pretty much the same nowadays -- same claim form, same CPT/HCPCS codes, same diagnoses codes, etc
Hoyt
Jan 2016
#67
Pretty much the same. The appeal process for most claims is resubmitting the claim form with medical
Hoyt
Jan 2016
#75
Obviously, you don't. You are just making junk up. I know the requirements are different in Canada
Hoyt
Jan 2016
#80
As much as I've tried to avoid commenting in the GD:P forum, I would like to ask you a question
R.A. Ganoush
Jan 2016
#63
Honestly, Bernie could say it would cost $20 per family and most of his fans would believe it.
DanTex
Jan 2016
#25
Is there a particular tune you like to whistle while you walk past that place where they put
cherokeeprogressive
Jan 2016
#34
RIght out of "What's the matter with Kansas" now coming from HIllarry supporters
Ferd Berfel
Jan 2016
#35
It's amazing what happens when profit is not the first concern when it comes to health.
Vinca
Jan 2016
#37
So either Hillary's oppo research team really sucks, or there is nothing to throw at Sanders..
frylock
Jan 2016
#109
Doctors in the other countries don't have giant malpractice insurance premiums to pay
Vinca
Jan 2016
#89
I guess this must be an example of that "free college free health care!" stuff that Trump, Rubio
Autumn
Jan 2016
#52
In Canada, 2013, a Canadian family of four paid $11,320 (CAD) for public health care in taxes...
Agnosticsherbet
Jan 2016
#61
I like the idea of Medicare for All, but I want to know upfront what it will cost.
Agnosticsherbet
Jan 2016
#86