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121. How Canadian Health-Care does not suck.

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https://www.cihi.ca/sites/default/files/document/nhex_trends_narrative_report_2015_en.pdf

Cheese Sandwich (4,130 posts) "Canada's Single-Payer Healthcare System Explained"

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1017301919


http://www.democraticunderground.com/10027521337



http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026727625 - "THIS is what Healthcare is all about ..."

I don't want to use NanceGreggs' tragic loss for anything detrimental, but feel her thread and what she and Jeff went through is exactly typical of all I've seen of our system, having worked in it for a long while, used it all my life and been an advocate for a huge family and friends who've gone through some very complicated and serious health issues. And again NanceGreggs, I'm very sorry for your loss.

Just a few more discussions with informative posts from a very quick search just here on DU debunking the 'horrific wait times and limited care' myths (proclaimed in the first link):

Ichingcarpenter (35,626 posts) "Canadian doctor schools U.S.Republican Senator on public health care"

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024655743

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=4658292

This video was both infuriating and interesting. Please do have a look at the 3:59 mark.

Re Premier Williams surgery in the U.S. Burr was gloating about:

17. The Peter Munk Cardiac Centre in Toronto, pioneers of the surgery he received:

PMCC FIRSTS IN CARDIOLOGY
​​For more than 75 years, we have been leading the way in innovative cardiac discoveries:

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1935: First clinical use of heparin

1950: First pacemaker

1955: First successful valve transplant

1965: First coronary intensive care unit

1980: First prospective study of iliac angioplasty

1985: First mitral valve chordal replacement with expanded olytetrafluoroethylene

1986: First stentless aortic valve

1987: First aortic valve replacement using the Toronto Heart Valve

1988: First aortic valve-sparing operation

1990: First viral heart disease genetic test

1999: First sleep apnea clinical trial

2006: First discovery of the “SOS distress signal”

2009: First heart monitor recorder – CARTO 3 System

http://www.uhn.ca/PMCC

He also said he would inevitably have been seen as a queue-jumper if treated in Canada. But Dr. Jeanmart in Montreal said prompt care is available when the individual case is acute. The Peter Munk Cardiac Centre in Toronto said it has no extensive waiting list for any heart surgery at the moment.

"This is my heart, it's my health, it's my choice," Mr. Williams said. Of course it's his choice, but it reflects on the quality of medicare. The message he has sent by word and deed is that Canadian medicine is stuck in the past century.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/globe-debate/editorials/a-choice-that-belittles-canada/article4388327/

More on that surgery:

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/life/health-and-fitness/williamss-heart-surgery-choice-was-based-on-ignorance/article1365308/

Please keep this in mind re watching Sally Pipes' testimony and who she is and what she stands for:

TrollBuster9090 (3,005 posts)
69. SALLY PIPES SHILL ALERT: (Just FYI)

Every time I see Sally Pipes spreading her anti-healthcare garbage I want to barf. But I'm not surprised the Republicans invited her. She's part of the wingnut welfare crowd.

Just FYI, there are two paid shills who Republicans usually invite to these dog and pony shows. One is Sally Pipes, who runs a paid, right-wing 'think tank' (aka Propaganda outlet) whose soul purpose is to put out propaganda trashing single payer healthcare systems with cherry picked data. No surprise she appeared here.

The other standard paid shill the Republicans usually invite is Dr. David Gratzer, who was trained as a psychiatrist in Canada, wrote a (self-published) book about how shitty the Canadian healthcare system is WHILE HE WAS STILL A MEDICAL STUDENT, and had no experience of it; and (like his commrade Charles Krauthammer) soon discovered that there was a lot more money to be made as a paid propagandists than there is as a doctor; and moved to NY to do that before ever having seen a single patient.

Gratzer is usually their token Canadian doctor that they always invite to trash the Canadian healthcare system. I don't understand why they didn't invite him! They must be slipping.

I can only conclude that Gratzer is affraid to show up at any hearing where Sanders is present, because the last time he was invited to a hearing with progressives present, Dennis Kuchinich ripped him a new asshole.

Watch this video of Kuchinich taking the little turd apart. It'll make your day. http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=4660362

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/4/5/488434/- Sally Pipes is an unethical hack

Top Obamacare Critic's Op-Eds Drafted by PR Firm That Reps Drug, Health Care Clients - Meet the magic PR elves fueling Sally Pipes' pro


http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2012/07/sally-pipes-pacific-research-institute-keybridge-communications



eridani (48,829 posts) "Why do Canadians so strongly support their single payer system?"

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026223948





National Health Expenditure Trends, 1975 to 2015:
https://www.cihi.ca/sites/default/files/document/nhex_trends_narrative_report_2015_en.pdf

https://secure.cihi.ca/free_products/trends_in_income_related_inequalities_in_canada_2015_en.pdf

So really ...... those who are trying so hard to make it appear what it isn't, will just have to try a bit harder - there are actually people on here who know the truth of what we get and wouldn't trade it for anything. Period.





8 facts that explain what’s wrong with American health care

Updated by Sarah Kliff on January 20, 2015, 9:58 a.m. ET

If the health-care system were to break off from the United States and become its own economy, it would be the fifth-largest in the world. "It would be bigger than the United Kingdom or France and only behind the United States, China, Japan, and Germany," says David Blumenthal, executive director of the nonprofit Commonwealth Fund.

Or here's another way to put it in its (ridiculous) perspective: The US, which has a mostly private health-care system, manages to spend more on its public health-care system than countries where the health-care system is almost entirely public. America's government spends more, as a percentage of the economy, on public health care than Canada, the United Kingdom, Japan, or Australia. It spends even more than that on private health care.

3) Half of all health-care spending goes toward 5 percent of the population

Americans are not equal health-care spenders. There are a handful of patients who use lots of medical services — and tens of millions of people who barely go to the doctor at all.

http://www.vox.com/2014/9/2/6089693/health-care-facts-whats-wrong-american-insurance


Canada's health plan doesn't cover certain services. Non-cosmetic dental care is covered for children up to age 14 in some provinces. Outpatient prescription drugs are not required to be covered, but some provinces have drug cost programs that cover most drug costs for certain populations. In every province, seniors receiving the Guaranteed Income Supplement have significant additional coverage; some provinces expand forms of drug coverage to all seniors, low-income families, those on social assistance, or those with certain medical conditions. Some provinces cover all drug prescriptions over a certain portion of a family's income.

Private Health Insurance

While the health care system in Canada covers basic services, including primary care physicians and hospitals, there are many services that are not covered. These include things like dental services, optometrists, and prescription medications.

Private health insurance plans are usually offered as part of employee benefit packages in many companies. Incentives usually include vision and dental care. Alternatively, Canadians can purchase insurance packages from private insurance providers.

The main reason many choose to purchase private insurance is to supplement primary health coverage. For those requiring services that may not be covered under provincial health insurance such as corrective lenses, medications, or home care, a private insurance plan offsets such medical expenses.

While private insurance can benefit those with certain needs, many Canadians choose to rely exclusively on the public health system.

http://www.canadian-healthcare.org/page4.html

We've always had private/third party insurance plans that, depending on the province and what the consumer chooses, covers what our health-plan may not (keeping in mind the above services already expanded for low-income families and individuals and children as well as seniors), including: certain out-pt. prescription drugs/medicines, semi-private or private hospital accommodation (though I've seen many/most times those without any insurance placed in semi-private or private rooms - most in my family even without insurance have always been placed in semi-private rooms, if not private - especially in the smaller hospitals), special nursing services, regular ambulance services, artificial limbs, prostheses and medical appliances, wheel chairs and other durable equipment, specified medical or paramedical services that fall outside government plans (ie., chiropractors, physiotherapists, podiatrists, osteopaths and optometrists) and vision care (eyeglasses and contact lenses). Dental services are often covered under a separate supplementary insurance plan.

And, more ..... disability insurance, critical illness plans, living benefits, long-term care insurance, additional travel insurance, etc.


Many of the above additional expenses are reimbursed or partially reimbursed through allowable personal income-tax deductions.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1030919

http://www.taxtips.ca/filing/medicalexpensetaxcredit.htm

It works for us, and every day each province/territory is looking for ways to improve it.




Canada Health Act:

The Canada Health Act (CHA or the Act) is Canada's federal legislation for publicly funded health care insurance.

The Act sets out the primary objective of Canadian health care policy, which is "to protect, promote and restore the physical and mental well-being of residents of Canada and to facilitate reasonable access to health services without financial or other barriers."

The CHA establishes criteria and conditions related to insured health services and extended health care services that the provinces and territories must fulfill to receive the full federal cash contribution under the Canada Health Transfer (CHT).

The aim of the CHA is to ensure that all eligible residents of Canada have reasonable access to insured health services on a prepaid basis, without direct charges at the point of service for such services.

The Canada Health Act is federal legislation that puts in place conditions by which individual provinces and territories in Canada may receive funding for health care services.

http://www.hc-sc.gc.ca/hcs-sss/medi-assur/cha-lcs/index-eng.php

There are five main principles in the Canada Health Act:

Public Administration: All administration of provincial health insurance must be carried out by a public authority on a non-profit basis. They also must be accountable to the province or territory, and their records and accounts are subject to audits.


Comprehensiveness: All necessary health services, including hospitals, physicians and surgical dentists, must be insured.


Universality: All insured residents are entitled to the same level of health care.


Portability: A resident that moves to a different province or territory is still entitled to coverage from their home province during a minimum waiting period. This also applies to residents which leave the country.


Accessibility: All insured persons have reasonable access to health care facilities. In addition, all physicians, hospitals, etc, must be provided reasonable compensation for the services they provide.

http://www.canadian-healthcare.org/page2.html


Federal transfers are allocated to each province to manage and deliver health services.

Canada's national health insurance program, often referred to as "Medicare", is designed to ensure that all residents have reasonable access to medically necessary hospital and physician services, on a prepaid basis. Instead of having a single national plan, we have a national program that is composed of 13 interlocking provincial and territorial health insurance plans, all of which share certain common features and basic standards of coverage. Framed by the Canada Health Act, the principles governing our health care system are symbols of the underlying Canadian values of equity and solidarity.

Roles and responsibilities for Canada's health care system are shared between the federal and provincial-territorial governments. Under the Canada Health Act (CHA), our federal health insurance legislation, criteria and conditions are specified that must be satisfied by the provincial and territorial health care insurance plans in order for them to qualify for their full share of the federal cash contribution, available under the Canada Health Transfer (CHT). Provincial and territorial governments are responsible for the management, organization and delivery of health services for their residents.

http://www.hc-sc.gc.ca/hcs-sss/medi-assur/index-eng.php



Making Medicare - The History Of Health Care In Canada 1914-2007

http://www.historymuseum.ca/cmc/exhibitions/hist/medicare/medic00e.shtml


The poor who cannot afford dental, ect. not paid for by the health care program can get help:

Here's a quick look at who is eligible for what:

http://www.fptdwg.ca/English/e-access.html

http://www.caphd.ca/programs-and-resources/government-dental-programs

http://www.health.gov.sk.ca/supplementary-health-program

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In some provinces any child under 14 is eligible under the Canada Health Act for full dental coverage that is not cosmetic.


Canada spends 11.2% on health care versus 17.7% in the U.S.- with better outcomes in both infant mortality rate and life expectancy. I don't know much at all about your taxes, but I would rather pay mine knowing that most of it goes to ensuring quality health-care for all, than paying to mainly support the MIC while watching millions of people die without access to health services other than the E.R.

http://www.vox.com/2014/9/2/6089693/health-care-facts-whats-wrong-american-insurance



Btw ......... how about your wait times and quality of care, does everyone there get diagnostics and specialist appt's, treatments as promptly and with the high quality as we do? I hope so! I've never had to wait more than three days to see a doctor anywhere I've lived. Here it's usually that afternoon or the next day and if it's something serious the doctor quite often calls the specialist while I'm sitting there and books an app't., usually within days or weeks ... depending upon the illness. If I've heard something about a specialist I'd rather see ....... I'm perfectly free to ask for her/him.

I have never had to pay one single penny out of pocket nor has anyone else unless they've wanted a private room (which very few people I know even care about - the rooms in our smaller hospitals are all private anyway). We keep our gas and hotel receipts for driving, parking and staying in the city to claim back at income tax time. I've worked in health-care in different positions much of my life and been an advocate for members of a huge family and group of friends for many more, and have never seen otherwise, except for cataract surgery and hip replacements for older family members --- those did have wait times.

What about elective and non-emergent issues - is everyone there assured of the same high-quality treatment and care even if they have to wait for it? I hope so!



Absolutely, our system is far from perfect ....... but we are always working on ways to improve it. Committees made up of physicians, nurses, First Nations representatives, social service representatives, etc, - province by province and territory. It is an ongoing process and always will be.


Final comment from the first video: "Those in the United States who are concerned about health-care spending and what it means to the economy might respect that course of action. But instead, we attack. That's our problem, not theirs."

I'll just keep reposting this whenever you trot out yet another of your hit-threads.