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2016 Postmortem
In reply to the discussion: Do you buy into the single payer fantasy of Sanders? [View all]Gothmog
(144,884 posts)69. Why single payer died in Vermont
If single payer can not work in Vermont, then there is no chance that it will be adopted in the entire country http://www.politico.com/story/2014/12/single-payer-vermont-113711#ixzz3xciq2Nj5
So single-payer advocates looked instead to make a breakthrough in the states. Bills have been introduced from Hawaii to New York; former Medicare chief Don Berwick made it a key plank of his unsuccessful primary race for Massachusetts governor.
Vermont under Shumlin became the most visible trailblazer. Until Wednesday, when the governor admitted what critics had said all along: He couldnt pay for it.
It is not the right time for Vermont to pass a single-payer system, Shumlin acknowledged in a public statement ending his signature initiative. He concluded the 11.5 percent payroll assessments on businesses and sliding premiums up to 9.5 percent of individuals income might hurt our economy.
Vermonts outcome is a small speed bump, said New York Assembly member Richard Gottfried, whos been pushing single-payer bills for more than 20 years. But opponents says its the end of the road.
If cobalt blue Vermont couldnt find a way to make single-payer happen, then its very unlikely that any other state will, said Jack Mozloom, spokesman for the National Federation of Independent Business.
There will never be a good time for a massive tax increase on employers and consumers in Vermont, so they should abandon that silly idea now and get serious, Mozloom added.
Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2014/12/single-payer-vermont-113711#ixzz3xdKH1mGn
Vermont under Shumlin became the most visible trailblazer. Until Wednesday, when the governor admitted what critics had said all along: He couldnt pay for it.
It is not the right time for Vermont to pass a single-payer system, Shumlin acknowledged in a public statement ending his signature initiative. He concluded the 11.5 percent payroll assessments on businesses and sliding premiums up to 9.5 percent of individuals income might hurt our economy.
Vermonts outcome is a small speed bump, said New York Assembly member Richard Gottfried, whos been pushing single-payer bills for more than 20 years. But opponents says its the end of the road.
If cobalt blue Vermont couldnt find a way to make single-payer happen, then its very unlikely that any other state will, said Jack Mozloom, spokesman for the National Federation of Independent Business.
There will never be a good time for a massive tax increase on employers and consumers in Vermont, so they should abandon that silly idea now and get serious, Mozloom added.
Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2014/12/single-payer-vermont-113711#ixzz3xdKH1mGn
Sanders is proposing a skeleton of a plan (not a real plan at all) that has no chance of passage. The refusal of Sanders to answer the question was an admission that even Sanders knows that this plan is not real.
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I lived in Europe and liked the way single payer worked there. It is especially good for
JDPriestly
Jan 2016
#2
He never promised anything. Just talking bout things valuable to shoot for. With our help.
highprincipleswork
Jan 2016
#4
I do and I have wondered for years why the Democratic keep rolling over on the
Todays_Illusion
Jan 2016
#5
I buy into that it is probably the best way long-term, but he's not being honest about the cost or
Hoyt
Jan 2016
#8
Yep. You never hear the corporatists or their cheerleaders spreading anti-war messages with
GoneFishin
Jan 2016
#29
who is putting forth "Bernie Sanders thinks if he's elected President, we will have single payer." ?
corkhead
Jan 2016
#21
It matters what the General Election voter believes. Bernie's put his plan out there,
pnwmom
Jan 2016
#23
Calm down. I don't think I've ever called anyone on this site a mental defective.
Vinca
Jan 2016
#89
when can we start calling buying into > $1 trillion for wars a "fantasy" ?? - n/t
Locrian
Jan 2016
#31
Yes, I do think that adopting a single payer system would be the best thing for this country.
bklyncowgirl
Jan 2016
#38
The Sanders plan depends on hypothetical costs savings that Prof. Krugman thinks are false
Gothmog
Jan 2016
#47
Bernie is out to bring in a revolution from the White House to the House of Reps and Senate.
Zen Democrat
Jan 2016
#52
I love the way Senator Sanders reaches for the entire pie, Obama should have done that too.
Sunlei
Jan 2016
#55
Sanders main platform is defeating special interrest monies that BLOCK to their
Jefferson23
Jan 2016
#57
Bernie will fight for it, but an "incrementalist" will cave to the Insurance Ind and Big Pharma
amborin
Jan 2016
#60
It's so nice to read an equally weighted OP, one that does not prejudge or load the question. nt
TheBlackAdder
Jan 2016
#62
The ACA was sold as a stepping stone, the fear that Benrie will undo Obamas "greatest"
Autumn
Jan 2016
#63
Hopefully, we'll find out with Bernie. With Hillary we already know we won't.
Tierra_y_Libertad
Jan 2016
#68