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2016 Postmortem

In reply to the discussion: Sadly, over the Hill [View all]

passiveporcupine

(8,175 posts)
167. That is your opinion, nothing solid to base it on
Sat Jan 30, 2016, 02:40 PM
Jan 2016

Many of us disagree with your opinion. We see Sanders as more competent and more ethical.

I don't hate Hillary (I don't waste my energy on hating anyone, it's a very draining emotion that only hurts the hater) and I think she would be a better choice than many for President, certainly the GOP...but she is not as progressive as me and I don't like many of her positions and don't trust much of what she says in her campaign outreach, as I've seen too much evidence in her past of what she really stands for and will fight for if she becomes President. Some of it good...some of it bad. Too much of it bad to make me comfortable with her as President when we have a much better choice. She does not acknowledge and honor the valid grassroots movement that is sweeping the country. She will fight us (and already is) every way she can.

I don't see anything in Bernie's record that is bad, except that he needs to take a more progressive approach on gun control. And he's coming around on that. He has always been in favor of more/better gun control, but not as strong as I am. And because of his consistency, honesty and integrity, I trust him when he says things that show he's coming around on that.

So...you are welcome to your opinion, but I heartily disagree.

Sadly, over the Hill [View all] Fumesucker Jan 2016 OP
No surprise then RobertEarl Jan 2016 #1
That's the exact reason SusanCalvin Jan 2016 #2
The whole thing is amazing, by a DU "name" too... Fumesucker Jan 2016 #3
Ten bucks that "Name" was railing hate against Obama prior to Super Tuesday that year Scootaloo Jan 2016 #6
It's a powerful piece, very evocative Fumesucker Jan 2016 #11
good writing, and completely insincere. she was infatuated with Obama then, she's Doctor_J Jan 2016 #29
You have to be human in the first place. TheFarS1de Jan 2016 #39
So you are calling out a DU'er. If I was pathetic, I'd dig through other DU'ers past posts KittyWampus Jan 2016 #155
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me too - but not LiberalElite Jan 2016 #143
+1 MissDeeds Jan 2016 #151
It's so mature to talk about who you have on ignore. I should look and see if you ever KittyWampus Jan 2016 #156
You are right and I should not have posted that passiveporcupine Jan 2016 #164
Me too, apologies. SusanCalvin Jan 2016 #199
not necessary passiveporcupine Jan 2016 #201
Me too. SusanCalvin Jan 2016 #202
Feel free to search comments. I see Jackpine Radical in that thread. So consistent sabrina 1 Jan 2016 #191
This subthread... Bobbie Jo Jan 2016 #159
That is truly some insightful writing. R. P. McMurphy Jan 2016 #4
Thank you, the writer is still posting here in GD-P, I hope she will take a bow Fumesucker Jan 2016 #15
I recognized that author. R. P. McMurphy Jan 2016 #19
Since your post count is fairly low I checked when you joined Fumesucker Jan 2016 #20
But remember! Scootaloo Jan 2016 #5
The 2014 debacle is entirely due to Bernie failing to properly charge the flux capacitors in 2016 Fumesucker Jan 2016 #13
...you know, now that you mention it... Scootaloo Jan 2016 #14
This explains much Fumesucker Jan 2016 #16
Yep, I sold my house, my car, my clothes and parts of my body John Poet Jan 2016 #66
Did she ever produce a link to prove that btw, I know I asked abut twice, but got nothing. sabrina 1 Jan 2016 #121
I was never "anti-Clinton" Cary Jan 2016 #173
Well, I don't believe I was talking about you in my comment. More about one of the most sabrina 1 Jan 2016 #179
I was an Obama supporter. Cary Jan 2016 #182
You heard all that stuff about Hillary From DEMOCRATS. See the thread featured in this sabrina 1 Jan 2016 #188
I wonder how you managed to make that leap Cary Jan 2016 #190
Okay, I posted a comment from that thread by someone who is NOW a 'Hillary Supporter'. sabrina 1 Jan 2016 #192
It's one thing to say that you prefer Obama to Hillary, it's quite another to give the rhett o rick Jan 2016 #193
What you judge to be "a cop out" is reality Cary Jan 2016 #194
I am speaking about the OP. And I think it's a little audacious for you rhett o rick Jan 2016 #195
if you find that being an ideologue is not desirable then that's on you Cary Jan 2016 #204
To say that there is very little difference between H. Clinton and Sen Sanders is naive. rhett o rick Jan 2016 #206
Sez you Cary Jan 2016 #207
Yes Sez me and millions that are tired of the disaster that the Oligarchy has brought to us. rhett o rick Jan 2016 #210
We shall see Cary Jan 2016 #212
Holding your breath reminds me of children. If that is all that you will do I will be happy. But rhett o rick Jan 2016 #213
i see, so now your sez you is that because I don't buy your mythology I am a child Cary Jan 2016 #214
So let's review, I'm a REALIST and I find it hard to understand things that are illogical. sabrina 1 Jan 2016 #200
Nice word salad Cary Jan 2016 #205
I don't blame you, I wouldn't be able to explain it either. But then I would not be supporting sabrina 1 Jan 2016 #208
(Read slowly) You don't say? Cary Jan 2016 #211
I did say, and I'll say it again. Not one of those people in that thread who called Hillary sabrina 1 Jan 2016 #215
I'm not bothering to read your nonsense any more. Cary Jan 2016 #216
Of course they don't understand. They'd rather see the party burn, and Republicans win. Amimnoch Mar 2016 #217
true Cary Mar 2016 #218
Bandwagon DRI Jan 2016 #197
Well, isn't that interesting. in_cog_ni_to Jan 2016 #7
Yes, yes it is... Fumesucker Jan 2016 #8
Not long? in_cog_ni_to Jan 2016 #9
Probably not Fumesucker Jan 2016 #12
I was Juror #6 Flying Squirrel Jan 2016 #64
I don't get why some people around here would HIDE a thread simply because stillwaiting Jan 2016 #140
close one! frylock Jan 2016 #168
Isn't it? SammyWinstonJack Jan 2016 #32
Flashback Friday frylock Jan 2016 #10
Cute. joshcryer Jan 2016 #17
It's quite bizarre, this is a very intelligent person, you can't write like that and not be Fumesucker Jan 2016 #18
Nice to see a post from then, though. joshcryer Jan 2016 #22
Do you think Bernie would have voted for FISA and retroactive telecom immunity? Fumesucker Jan 2016 #24
TARP was it for me. joshcryer Jan 2016 #27
I don't remember the exact point, SusanCalvin Jan 2016 #45
I recall that at the time I was elated about one thing and happy about another. delrem Jan 2016 #138
. Arazi Jan 2016 #21
Thanks Fumesucker. Phlem Jan 2016 #23
the internet never forgets. nt retrowire Jan 2016 #25
Post removed Post removed Jan 2016 #26
Kind of make the "Camp Weathervane" meme seem even more apt Fumesucker Jan 2016 #31
Your sig line is very appropriate for this thread. BeanMusical Jan 2016 #35
Cannot believe Doctor J got a hide for that. senz Jan 2016 #106
I totally agree. BeanMusical Jan 2016 #108
Me too. Enthusiast Jan 2016 #166
As I just responded in another thread ... NanceGreggs Jan 2016 #28
I read "matured" as "mutated." And it still made sense! morningfog Jan 2016 #36
That's a lot of mutating...er..maturing in 8 short yrs. SammyWinstonJack Jan 2016 #46
You're a lot better writer than I am and probably smarter too Fumesucker Jan 2016 #41
I've always considered myself to be ... NanceGreggs Jan 2016 #72
Not the least bit interested but posting away Fumesucker Jan 2016 #74
I told you why I still read/post here. NanceGreggs Jan 2016 #76
Why would I believe a word that you say? Fumesucker Jan 2016 #77
Why would I care ... NanceGreggs Jan 2016 #81
Of course you care or you wouldn't bother to reply Fumesucker Jan 2016 #84
+1 BeanMusical Jan 2016 #83
So you believed that Hillary was a liar, unethical etc etc so you didn't support her in 2008 sabrina 1 Jan 2016 #203
"Something is really off about all this. NanceGreggs Jan 2016 #209
more bs Doctor_J Jan 2016 #42
It's text book double thought. morningfog Jan 2016 #50
From looking through this thread, I'm pretty sure this is the kind of behavior the Sanders campaign Godhumor Jan 2016 #43
This poster left me in tears when her husband died, she wrote such a powerful piece about it Fumesucker Jan 2016 #49
Single payer good enough for Canadians, not good enough for SammyWinstonJack Jan 2016 #52
That's probably one of the lowest things... one_voice Jan 2016 #70
She brought it here to DU and bragged about single payer to us Fumesucker Jan 2016 #71
Again, I invite you ... NanceGreggs Jan 2016 #90
The choice is stark, one candidate is for single payer and the other is against it Fumesucker Jan 2016 #91
Well, it's obvious that you are going to continue ... NanceGreggs Jan 2016 #94
"Hillary isn't pushing single payer because she KNOWS that in today's political climate..." BeanMusical Jan 2016 #98
Excellent, BeanMusical! HRC's health care policy paid by industry $. senz Jan 2016 #174
Thanks! BeanMusical Jan 2016 #176
+1,001 Nance Hekate Jan 2016 #116
Disgusting post. Lisa D Jan 2016 #73
She brought it here to DU and bragged about single payer to us Fumesucker Jan 2016 #75
Do you hear yourself? Lisa D Jan 2016 #78
What did you think of the rheoric I quoted? Fumesucker Jan 2016 #79
I think your posts in this thread should embarrass you. Lisa D Jan 2016 #85
What, pointing out things people have writtten on the internet? Fumesucker Jan 2016 #89
You didn't want anything to do with Bernie any way. Who are you kidding? Ned_Devine Jan 2016 #82
Bernie's worst ambassadors are his supposed friends. Go figure. Hekate Jan 2016 #113
+1 stonecutter357 Jan 2016 #196
She was not bragging treestar Jan 2016 #185
I responded to that accusation. NanceGreggs Jan 2016 #87
Your response is inadequate. kristopher Jan 2016 #172
How disgusting....all for the sake of Bernie politics Sheepshank Jan 2016 #95
What do you think of the passages I quoted, unduly harsh or justified? Fumesucker Jan 2016 #100
dont give a rats arse for anything you have to say, or ask of me Sheepshank Jan 2016 #171
Message auto-removed Name removed Jan 2016 #134
I was going to say I can't believe this post BainsBane Jan 2016 #104
Oh I believe it. ismnotwasm Jan 2016 #105
Post removed Post removed Jan 2016 #107
Your last paragraph, BB Hekate Jan 2016 #118
Thanks, Hekate BainsBane Jan 2016 #128
Message auto-removed Name removed Jan 2016 #135
I will simply not respond to the OP of this thread. MineralMan Jan 2016 #145
There are claims that "Bernie would at least try" and demand single payer treestar Jan 2016 #187
Post removed Post removed Jan 2016 #115
post survived alert Iggy Knorr Jan 2016 #147
A new low, even for Camp Tinfoil. Starry Messenger Jan 2016 #152
Yeah, right. Now I should waste time going through your posts and find some prime examples KittyWampus Jan 2016 #158
Of course she wants us to have it treestar Jan 2016 #184
She can't explain the contradiction. morningfog Jan 2016 #54
I don't believe for a moment they can't tell the difference Fumesucker Jan 2016 #56
Firstly, she did explain it BainsBane Jan 2016 #110
Don't be silly. It's not about who is preferred. morningfog Jan 2016 #137
There's nothing wrong with what's written here. senz Jan 2016 #109
Great post, Nance! Lisa D Jan 2016 #48
Yes, times change. PADemD Jan 2016 #63
+ Infinity~ sheshe2 Jan 2016 #80
Hi Buzz! BeanMusical Jan 2016 #88
Brilliant, Nance.. they try to embarrass me with my posts from the 2008 primary, too. Cha Jan 2016 #92
+1,000 NanceGreggs! Hekate Jan 2016 #112
Bravo! mcar Jan 2016 #141
Bravo, Nance! NastyRiffraff Jan 2016 #161
OMG, isn't this fascinating. BeanMusical Jan 2016 #33
Like Hillary, her (current) supporters shift to follow power. morningfog Jan 2016 #34
+1 BeanMusical Jan 2016 #37
That captures many of them. Broward Jan 2016 #44
Define "many." Zynx Jan 2016 #58
Here you go. Broward Jan 2016 #61
It's a hollow statement. What percentage? 1-2% of a large number is still large, but also Zynx Jan 2016 #67
I hope that's not completely true, SusanCalvin Jan 2016 #51
Of course it isn't true. It's just petty bile and unbecoming of decent people to indulge in it. Zynx Jan 2016 #60
OK. SusanCalvin Jan 2016 #68
It could be that I simply support the person I think would be the best president in this context. Zynx Jan 2016 #53
Look at the rhetoric of the piece, it's very harsh.. Fumesucker Jan 2016 #59
I'm responding to the uncalled for and miserable excuse of a post that I replied to. Zynx Jan 2016 #65
We are tired of people who used rhetoric like I have quoted then whining about others doing the same Fumesucker Jan 2016 #69
Look at you, digging up a grave Hekate Jan 2016 #119
She dug my grave up first Fumesucker Jan 2016 #120
Bernie Sanders is the one who shifts with the wind. NYC Liberal Jan 2016 #126
He has not attacked them. senz Jan 2016 #131
What? pinebox Jan 2016 #149
Posts like this really help to underscore how loyalty to the Party is more important than issues. frylock Jan 2016 #169
Another OP and thread proved that to me. I was stunned by the lack of compassion Autumn Jan 2016 #162
This message was self-deleted by its author Kalidurga Jan 2016 #62
Great writing, but how do you change heartfelt positions so easily ... slipslidingaway Jan 2016 #86
This: chervilant Jan 2016 #93
Ambition is monkey on your back like any other Fumesucker Jan 2016 #99
Jesus Christ, I'll be glad when the Clintons are out of politics, completely. w4rma Jan 2016 #96
I didn't know she could write this way. I have not seen this side of her senz Jan 2016 #97
"And I hope the title of this OP was not intended as an insult." BeanMusical Jan 2016 #101
Ah, that's right, thanks. senz Jan 2016 #102
No problem. BeanMusical Jan 2016 #103
Gettin' a tad personal there for my taste pinebox Jan 2016 #111
She made it personal between us some months ago Fumesucker Jan 2016 #114
I'm sorry this happened senz Jan 2016 #117
Can you provide a link ... NanceGreggs Jan 2016 #122
Do you remember this conversation? Fumesucker Jan 2016 #124
So THIS is your example ... NanceGreggs Jan 2016 #125
I thought you didn't care about this? Fumesucker Jan 2016 #127
Let's stay on topic, shall we? NanceGreggs Jan 2016 #129
Of course it was intended, you just didn't know my particular history Fumesucker Jan 2016 #130
In other words ... NanceGreggs Jan 2016 #132
It never occurred to you that anyone else might have a history with tragedy in it? Fumesucker Jan 2016 #133
Yep. H2O Man Jan 2016 #157
+1 BeanMusical Jan 2016 #170
The link you've provided ... NanceGreggs Jan 2016 #175
telling us we are whining because we are going to die of treatable diseases questionseverything Jan 2016 #177
Link to where I did so, please. NanceGreggs Jan 2016 #178
you don't seem to care this is life or death for some questionseverything Jan 2016 #180
That OP ... NanceGreggs Jan 2016 #181
She neither said nor implied what you think she did. Only your grief excuses ... Hekate Jan 2016 #123
What she said to me was a sarcastic "I feel your pain" Fumesucker Jan 2016 #136
I came close pinebox Jan 2016 #146
Hope things are good for you now. senz Jan 2016 #183
I was the first to respond to that OP. Here's the post. cali Jan 2016 #139
This message was self-deleted by its author m-lekktor Jan 2016 #142
I can't wait to see her try that with Trump as their nominee!!! Motown_Johnny Jan 2016 #144
DU Rec. SixString Jan 2016 #148
Fascinating OP/thread. H2O Man Jan 2016 #150
In my humble opinion, H2O Man Jan 2016 #154
Clinton For all her faults is still more competent than Sanders. KittyWampus Jan 2016 #153
That is your opinion, nothing solid to base it on passiveporcupine Jan 2016 #167
I don't think she's demonstrated competence in anything but enriching herself. senz Jan 2016 #186
Yawn treestar Jan 2016 #160
LOL corkhead Jan 2016 #163
Oh, baby! K&R! Enthusiast Jan 2016 #165
Reading through this thread senz Jan 2016 #189
Remember it well. zentrum Jan 2016 #198
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