2016 Postmortem

D Gary Grady

(133 posts)

47. I agree: Choice of insurers is a faster path to universal coverage

Wed Feb 3, 2016, 03:49 AM

Feb 2016

I personally prefer Bernie, and I agree that Hillary is no paragon of truth-telling, but there's simply no flip-flop at all in what Clinton says in those two clips.

You're right, Hoyt. Rational or not, vast numbers of Americans distrust government and the idea of having no choice. This makes it easy for Republicans to make them afraid of single payer. Fortunately, there are a number of examples of successful universal healthcare systems that don't depend on single-payer -- Germany, Japan, Switzerland, and the Netherlands for a start.

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Listen To Hillary ...FLIP FLOP In Record 3 DAYS On Universal Health Care Just Last Week!!! [View all] CorporatistNation Feb 2016 OP

I don't understand how those that support her can deny bkkyosemite Feb 2016 #1

The YELLING Is Intolerable! CorporatistNation Feb 2016 #10

Now you know that is mysoginistic. ashling Feb 2016 #45

Hillary has become a parody of herself... it would be funny if it wasn't so sad. InAbLuEsTaTe Feb 2016 #55

And there it is! n/t ebayfool Feb 2016 #2

We can watch her be exposed for lying here too, regarding Bosnia and being in harms way! ViseGrip Feb 2016 #3

Well, the kid was a sniper. Fuddnik Feb 2016 #33

Hillary Is A Cameleon.... CorporatistNation Feb 2016 #4

She sounds psycho for one thing. But yeah she is a flip flopper with no core principles. Bread and Circus Feb 2016 #5

Who the hell is advising Hillary... and why haven't they been fired yet? InAbLuEsTaTe Feb 2016 #56

Need we say more? RiverLover Feb 2016 #6

No... classic! InAbLuEsTaTe Feb 2016 #58

K & R !!! WillyT Feb 2016 #7

I think it's contemptuous eom NowSam Feb 2016 #8

Kick! ViseGrip Feb 2016 #9

UNTRUSTWORTHY. Period. End. Stop. nt nc4bo Feb 2016 #11

And they just don't get why people think she's untrustworthy. She will literally say anything. AtomicKitten Feb 2016 #21

Hillary takes voters for fools... is she ever in for a surprise. InAbLuEsTaTe Feb 2016 #59

Our country needs this badly. Healthcare has bankrupted our business and people. How could she! ViseGrip Feb 2016 #12

Exactly. There is a world of difference between "universal care" and "universal coverage" arcane1 Feb 2016 #20

She wants universal health care... thesquanderer Feb 2016 #13

Coverage was the word that hit me. Autumn Feb 2016 #14

Bingo. (n/t) thesquanderer Feb 2016 #16

The for profit "health" insurance industry has got to love that. n/t Uncle Joe Feb 2016 #17

Even Frank Luntz would be proud of that wording. Sad to say... arcane1 Feb 2016 #23

Like when Obama quit talking about "Healthcare reform" and switched to "Health Insurance Reform". Fuddnik Feb 2016 #35

Yep and the day it passed in a presser he called it Insurance Finance Reform Autumn Feb 2016 #40

The Conventional And Respectd Definition of Universal Health care is Single Payer/ Public Option... CorporatistNation Feb 2016 #52

BOOM! again...another video she changed a position 45 times! CNN ViseGrip Feb 2016 #15

WHERE Do You Stand on The Issues Secretary of State Clinton? CorporatistNation Feb 2016 #19

Universal coveage =! Single payer. Adrahil Feb 2016 #18

Most folks don't know the difference. While I think single payer is ultimately better, there are Hoyt Feb 2016 #32

I agree: Choice of insurers is a faster path to universal coverage D Gary Grady Feb 2016 #47

Well said! NT Adrahil Feb 2016 #49

So.... Plucketeer Feb 2016 #69

Germany and France have that, but it's not single payer. Hoyt Feb 2016 #71

coverage != care Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2016 #61

possibly true... Adrahil Feb 2016 #64

If every day is Opposite Day with the opposition what makes you think your idea will prosper? Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2016 #66

Not sure that it will. But it is more practical, and likely to get more support from Democrats. nt Adrahil Feb 2016 #68

So now the problem isn't the GOP but a Democratic party that won't support a President Sanders. Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2016 #72

This is what's really going on ................corporations are running both parties and our country ViseGrip Feb 2016 #75

Hillary "Flip Flop" on TPP! CorporatistNation Feb 2016 #22

Wow, she drives the lies in like a staple gun. pa28 Feb 2016 #24

Staple gun? Fuddnik Feb 2016 #36

her supporters cheer the fact that she doesn't want healthcare without the profiteers Doctor_J Feb 2016 #25

If a public option is better, wouldn't more people choose it? Adrahil Feb 2016 #65

Of course it's better. She won't fight for that either. Big Insurance won't let her Doctor_J Feb 2016 #70

She's either accused of being against the idea or she's being a flip-flopper if she supports it. LonePirate Feb 2016 #26

She's kind of like the weather joke in Cleveland. Fuddnik Feb 2016 #39

I don't understand how *anyone* could support her... ANYONE. AzDar Feb 2016 #27

I don't either--I really don't. DisgustipatedinCA Feb 2016 #48

I think she has lost her bearings. She is beginning to sound quite mad. bbgrunt Feb 2016 #28

Her supporters have a hard time keeping up. Spitfire of ATJ Feb 2016 #37

Those are called marbles. Fuddnik Feb 2016 #41

The yelling is terrible! ViseGrip Feb 2016 #81

Camp Weathervane strikes again. She feels the burn from Iowa and is now fighting Bernie Feeling the Bern Feb 2016 #29

This post must stay on top SoLeftIAmRight Feb 2016 #30

They don't care about these things. Nyan Feb 2016 #31

Hiding lastone Feb 2016 #42

This is the one thing that would change our country for the better in so many ways from health to ViseGrip Feb 2016 #79

early onset? wouldsman Feb 2016 #34

It sounds plausible but I think she's taking these cartwheeling flip flops because polling. hedda_foil Feb 2016 #46

Cred? Zip. Trust? Zip. SoapBox Feb 2016 #38

Hillary is consistent in flip-flopping. PoliticalMalcontent Feb 2016 #43

^^^^^ please people, can't you see the obvious? lastone Feb 2016 #44

You pretty much summed it up... the choice is clear. InAbLuEsTaTe Feb 2016 #60

Single payer doesn't equal universal care dsc Feb 2016 #50

Maybe not so much an idiot, but a person caught in a conflation of terms HereSince1628 Feb 2016 #53

It is his job to know the difference dsc Feb 2016 #62

Has the discussion progressed to sinners are idiots? HereSince1628 Feb 2016 #63

No No, she doesn't flip flop, she "evolves." CBGLuthier Feb 2016 #51

Only if you are mistakenly thinking universal health care and single payer are the same thing Recursion Feb 2016 #54

me too! restorefreedom Feb 2016 #57

After widespread ridicule on "never, ever"... Ino Feb 2016 #67

This is short, sweet, and tooooooooooooooooo the point! ViseGrip Feb 2016 #73

Have you ever noticed that when she is going to flip-flop her voice goes up? jillan Feb 2016 #74

Lol, yes. CharlotteVale Feb 2016 #80

WTF!!! I am so confused!!? And conflicted!? 7wo7rees Feb 2016 #76

So many don't remember what she said last week, was just for the purpose of bashing Sanders b4 Iowa. ViseGrip Feb 2016 #77

keep kicking.... ViseGrip Feb 2016 #78