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TwilightGardener

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50. I don't penalize her for the titles on her resume. I penalize her for how she conducts herself
Fri Feb 5, 2016, 01:45 PM
Feb 2016

once on the job. I think she consistently demonstrates poor judgment. I think she consistently demonstrates a higher interest in guarding her own ambitions and promoting her own reputation than in actually throwing herself into her work. The Secretary of State position was merely an image-building position for her. She appears to have accomplished little beyond pushing Obama in bad directions (along with other advisors) regarding Libya and Syria. And I don't care if the rest of the country does not care about her email issue--that's the final disqualifier for me. The arrogance of setting up your own SERVER, hiring your OWN IT GUY to run it, and refusing to archive or turn over the emails to your own AGENCY until it's demanded of her--I can't imagine why she should be President after that.

With all due respect, she served on Walmart's Board of Directors for six years. closeupready Feb 2016 #1
She's in favor of universal health care, and always has been. DanTex Feb 2016 #4
Hillary Clinton: Single-payer health care will "never, ever" happen closeupready Feb 2016 #7
There's a difference between single payer and universal healthcare.... Cali_Democrat Feb 2016 #10
Distinction without a difference, really. closeupready Feb 2016 #11
Tell that to Holland or Germany. DanTex Feb 2016 #75
Not true. There are countries, like Switzerland, who have universal coverage but not single payer. SunSeeker Feb 2016 #84
As someone has already pointed out, BlueMTexpat Feb 2016 #139
Much of the resistance and hostility to Hillary is die to gender. Hortensis Feb 2016 #187
Absolutely true ... BlueMTexpat Feb 2016 #188
Single payer and universal healthcare are not the same thing. DanTex Feb 2016 #73
Are you really that clueless about what she tried to do about health care Gman Feb 2016 #83
So what happened to her? Are you clueless as to who's been donating closeupready Feb 2016 #86
I don't give a damn who's been donating to her campaign Gman Feb 2016 #90
And THAT is part of the problem. closeupready Feb 2016 #94
And it is a catastrophe waiting to happen Gman Feb 2016 #127
Done. closeupready Feb 2016 #128
Don't let the door hit you where the good Lord split you Gman Feb 2016 #129
Even when she was working for WalMart? n/t Herman4747 Feb 2016 #69
There are two arguments against Hillary that I consider the most bogus OKNancy Feb 2016 #46
I won't lie and say 'your views are without merit'. closeupready Feb 2016 #63
this was a beautiful capsule of necessary and abiding truth <3 thank u for propagating wisdom ElliotCarver Feb 2016 #144
Okay ... you lost me ... well ... at the start; but, this post has me gone. 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2016 #153
+1 treestar Feb 2016 #136
Do you know what she actually did while on the board? n/t Lucinda Feb 2016 #57
Helped female Walmart hourlies to get paid overtime? Oops, nope. closeupready Feb 2016 #61
How about something more relevant to the time period that she was actually on the board? Lucinda Feb 2016 #66
Everyone has "pros" and "cons" in their lives - everyone. Unfortunately some of Sanders'.... George II Feb 2016 #157
She served on Walmart's Board of Directors from 1986 to 1992 - she started... George II Feb 2016 #76
agree, she is not actively arguing against ideals treestar Feb 2016 #137
And on the board, she fought for increased diversity and better hiring NYC Liberal Feb 2016 #117
Excellent point. George II Feb 2016 #122
Exactly treestar Feb 2016 #138
It's like saying "Congress is corrupt so Sanders is wrong for joining it." NYC Liberal Feb 2016 #161
Excellent point! Empowerer Feb 2016 #179
But that doesn't matter because walmart was anti-union ... or something. 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2016 #155
FFS so what? treestar Feb 2016 #135
Each voter should decide for themselves - they should know how Walmart helped her closeupready Feb 2016 #140
If Elizabeth Warren had jumped into the race before Sanders, she'd be right where he is. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Feb 2016 #2
I think that Elizabeth Warren would make a fine president and presdential candiate. Skinner Feb 2016 #6
Fair enough, but that alone is not reason to say she deserves it Armstead Feb 2016 #51
I wasn't arguing that her gender alone is reason to support her. Skinner Feb 2016 #52
If the 'Not Hillary' Party had gotten their 1st choice, Warren, she'd be doing much better... onehandle Feb 2016 #91
This message was self-deleted by its author onehandle Feb 2016 #96
Thanks for your support of Warren. RiverLover Feb 2016 #189
A long and, IMHO, devastating reply to Skinnerian behaviorism. mhatrw Feb 2016 #180
I love and admire you Skinner, and as a woman, I respectfully disagree. Avalux Feb 2016 #3
+1. Even a woman - with a trail of apparent conflicts of interest and decisions that appear to be JudyM Feb 2016 #16
OK, Skinner rock Feb 2016 #5
Resumes often don't capture whether the candidate is actually good or bad at the job. leveymg Feb 2016 #8
Your analysis seems to ignore the axiom "follow the money" dreamnightwind Feb 2016 #9
Which stains 99% of other progressive who've worked there asses off for progressive causes uponit7771 Feb 2016 #22
I don't disagree dreamnightwind Feb 2016 #29
Saying the 1st female president, practically by definition, will have to be establishement... thesquanderer Feb 2016 #12
I would argue that in important ways she is both... Skinner Feb 2016 #14
Backwards in high heels, more of us get it than you give us credit for perhaps? Fumesucker Feb 2016 #13
I don't think my post gave you credit or withheld it. Skinner Feb 2016 #15
Margaret THatcher was a woman mikehiggins Feb 2016 #26
the uk has a long history of women leaders. mopinko Feb 2016 #36
I suppose you're talking about queens of England. Not Prime Ministers who now hold the power. hedda_foil Feb 2016 #79
Semantics whatchamacallit Feb 2016 #43
^ This. AzDar Feb 2016 #114
Speaking of semantics... OilemFirchen Feb 2016 #126
Ha ok whatchamacallit Feb 2016 #134
Well put winterwar Feb 2016 #177
The thing that Hillary supporters don't get about the majority of women is that just because Hillary jillan Feb 2016 #17
Well stated. nt elias49 Feb 2016 #40
Her resume is plenty of evidence she earned our vote Gman Feb 2016 #88
You really think to sway Hillary's women supporters by "womansplaining" BlueMTexpat Feb 2016 #142
Bravo. Well stated. Duppers Feb 2016 #181
Having lady parts should be NEITHER a help nor a hindrance. basselope Feb 2016 #18
Strongly Disagree. [Consider John Kerry, Barbara Boxer, etc.] Herman4747 Feb 2016 #19
Strongly Disagree (Part 2). Herman4747 Feb 2016 #27
Sanders is pure and everyone else is stained, that's a central point of his campaign... uponit7771 Feb 2016 #20
This is well thought out, no question. But it seems that you are, in effect, giving her a pass on JudyM Feb 2016 #21
Which when called out on which decisions these were Sanders changes the subject every uponit7771 Feb 2016 #23
There are well publicized examples of evidence. He should be naming them but for whatever JudyM Feb 2016 #28
At the risk of throwing a bone to my detractors... Skinner Feb 2016 #31
Choosing to play ball because she has to is one thing; choosing to personally enrich herself by JudyM Feb 2016 #38
I do not think Hillary Clinton is any more compromised than anyone else who has become president... Skinner Feb 2016 #41
You think Obama is as ethically compromised as Hillary? JudyM Feb 2016 #44
I think every president needs to make ethical compromises. Skinner Feb 2016 #47
She has absolutely been unfairly dragged through the mud and vilified by the Conservative machine. JudyM Feb 2016 #54
Of course there are standards. Skinner Feb 2016 #56
That's fair. IMO the corruption is the most important issue. JudyM Feb 2016 #64
+1 to your last paragraph. She giggles about the optics of being closeupready Feb 2016 #70
I think you just pointed out why so many are supporting Sanders EvolveOrConvolve Feb 2016 #186
... corrupt campaign finance system... whatchamacallit Feb 2016 #45
Right, this and the corrupt cronyism and pay to play in the whole govt. JudyM Feb 2016 #49
Well, actually, he's been playing ball...but quietly, apparently. MADem Feb 2016 #192
Hillary Clinton, to a large and very real degree, controls the democratic cali Feb 2016 #24
Well, if you're going to be as bold as to say it, why not find that "somewhere". Otherwise..... George II Feb 2016 #172
Sure cali Feb 2016 #176
That's a far cry from: George II Feb 2016 #178
Afreakingmen. Thank you! PeaceNikki Feb 2016 #25
She DOES have all the advantages that money can buy, and speaking as woman from where onecaliberal Feb 2016 #30
Every serious candidate for president enjoys ALOT more advantages than 99% of this country. Skinner Feb 2016 #35
I don't penalize her for it whatsoever. I do, however,hold her accountable for championing corporate onecaliberal Feb 2016 #110
I remember how much, how deeply all republicans hated her when she was First Lady. Jackie Wilson Said Feb 2016 #32
Thank you Skinner! n/t livetohike Feb 2016 #33
Bernie's a Jew like I'm a Catholic: not practicing, born that way WhaTHellsgoingonhere Feb 2016 #34
This message was self-deleted by its author Skinner Feb 2016 #37
Hang in there, Skinner. I'm doing this piecemeal. I don't expect rapid response WhaTHellsgoingonhere Feb 2016 #39
OK. Skinner Feb 2016 #42
OK my friend. I have completed my counter argument. It won't disappoint WhaTHellsgoingonhere Feb 2016 #53
Regarding gender... WhaTHellsgoingonhere Feb 2016 #89
Then why didn't she? ismnotwasm Feb 2016 #105
I haven't had that conversation with Elizabeth. When I do, I'll post about it at DU WhaTHellsgoingonhere Feb 2016 #111
Seeing a woman in the White House isn't the top priority for most women davidn3600 Feb 2016 #158
You're creating an argument based on something you wish I had said? People let you get away... WhaTHellsgoingonhere Feb 2016 #159
News to you and your wife and her friends and everyone your circle has ever spoken to WhaTHellsgoingonhere Feb 2016 #171
I'm NOT fed up with the people in power Blue_Adept Feb 2016 #48
I don't penalize her for the titles on her resume. I penalize her for how she conducts herself TwilightGardener Feb 2016 #50
HUGE K&R!! n/t JTFrog Feb 2016 #55
Very good points here. lovemydog Feb 2016 #58
k&r bigtree Feb 2016 #59
With all due respect... Flying Phoenix Feb 2016 #60
Excellent analysis DesertRat Feb 2016 #62
To be honest I think Bernie tosses aorund the term Establishment too loosely, BUT Armstead Feb 2016 #65
That argument may have worked in the 70s or 80s but not today. liberal_at_heart Feb 2016 #67
You're asking us for special treatment because she is female? TBF Feb 2016 #68
I'm not asking you to do anything. Skinner Feb 2016 #77
Fair enough, TBF Feb 2016 #81
Hillary supporters bragged about her support by the establishment until it became an issue. Spitfire of ATJ Feb 2016 #71
Can ypu let us know if your OP was alerted on? boston bean Feb 2016 #72
once we had a president who was the first to not pander to the WASPs--his religion was even MisterP Feb 2016 #74
You place too much faith in Elizabeth Warren's hair style when you say there is no way a socialist Attorney in Texas Feb 2016 #78
Nobody is judging them on their hairstyles... Skinner Feb 2016 #82
Neither of us wants to head down a slippery slope of pointing out well loved female public figures Attorney in Texas Feb 2016 #95
I am arguing that if she was from a state smaller than Massachusetts,... Skinner Feb 2016 #99
One reason (not the predominant reason, but a reason) why I support Sanders is that - win or lose - Attorney in Texas Feb 2016 #120
Great post. But... Gman Feb 2016 #80
Hillary was born into the establishment Bjornsdotter Feb 2016 #85
I'm originally from that area - isn't Park Ridge the little closeupready Feb 2016 #93
I grew up in the general area also... Bjornsdotter Feb 2016 #103
oh ok - I know it was one of those tiny villages near O'Hare - closeupready Feb 2016 #106
K & R SunSeeker Feb 2016 #87
"The Establishment" is a small group who control a larger organization AgingAmerican Feb 2016 #92
No. she is NOT "the single most qualified human being on the planet." antigop Feb 2016 #97
That's why I added the qualifier "on paper." (nt) Skinner Feb 2016 #101
That "paper" doesn't mean diddly. nt antigop Feb 2016 #108
Skinner, words have meaning. It's cringeworthy for Clinton to say she can't be the establishment... uhnope Feb 2016 #98
I'm going to go out on a limb and suggest that the only people cringing... Skinner Feb 2016 #100
I wish that were true but it's not. uhnope Feb 2016 #107
My entire OP is a response to your post. Skinner Feb 2016 #113
so re Rich-White-Male-Protestant-WallStreet-ProWar-FreeMarketCapitalist-Political-Elite uhnope Feb 2016 #115
That wasn't actually my point. Skinner Feb 2016 #118
thank you for your patience. uhnope Feb 2016 #123
I guess in her purposely narrow frame (establishment = male presidents) whatchamacallit Feb 2016 #163
Doesn't make sense for someone whose been in power in DC 25 years to BainsBane Feb 2016 #125
your argument is not sound & you are confusing concepts & words uhnope Feb 2016 #133
K&R ismnotwasm Feb 2016 #102
Look, David ... The fact of her womanhood is immaterial to our quest Trajan Feb 2016 #104
+ a gazillion. nt Live and Learn Feb 2016 #109
You're in luck! Neither Bill Clinton nor Barack Obama are running for President. nt onehandle Feb 2016 #116
Not Once did you mention Iraq Ichingcarpenter Feb 2016 #112
I don't have much to add right now, but I want to say that this Ed Suspicious Feb 2016 #119
Nuanced take or no, the ends do not justify the means. U of M Dem Feb 2016 #121
Truly one of the strangest and most misguided things I've ever read in the more than 10 years I've AzDar Feb 2016 #124
Post removed Post removed Feb 2016 #130
What a hideous picture. Skinner Feb 2016 #131
Well, aren't you special. zappaman Feb 2016 #132
This message was self-deleted by its author 1000words Feb 2016 #141
A very hearty thank you to you, Skinner! BlueMTexpat Feb 2016 #143
DU rec...nt SidDithers Feb 2016 #145
I believe the examples of both Bernie and Elizabeth Warren eviscerate your argument. Admiral Loinpresser Feb 2016 #146
Two word response: Elizabeth Warren mhatrw Feb 2016 #147
Establishment politics in the context of the US is defined by who receives corporate money. Jefferson23 Feb 2016 #148
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Tell ya what, you name them, and I will explain how no matter what they gave Jefferson23 Feb 2016 #154
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K&R! betsuni Feb 2016 #150
Her picture is in the dictionary next to the word TexasMommaWithAHat Feb 2016 #152
Skinner - this is, hands down the best piece I've ever read on DU in the time I've been here Empowerer Feb 2016 #160
Hear, hear!!! I was trying to make that point yesterday. Beacool Feb 2016 #162
Well reasoned, and a good read. FrenchieCat Feb 2016 #164
It's true that women need to work the system more skillfully wildeyed Feb 2016 #165
I wonder, if Elizabeth Warren had "Albert Einstein hair" and called herself a Democratic Socialist Matariki Feb 2016 #166
If Obama had ran his campaign like Sanders, FrenchieCat Feb 2016 #169
What aspect of the way Sanders is running his campaign do you mean? Matariki Feb 2016 #174
Skinner, apart from her gender, I genuinely would love to her your other reasons Matariki Feb 2016 #167
If that were the only knock against her Flying Squirrel Feb 2016 #168
I think that Hillary Clinton is the most qualified candidate running for POTUS Gothmog Feb 2016 #170
Secretary of State is the Top of The Heap. Any Man Would be Thrilled to end his political career Hiraeth Feb 2016 #173
Good points, all. Warren DeMontague Feb 2016 #175
I actually turned around a Sanders supporter with this tonight Gman Feb 2016 #182
KICK Cha Feb 2016 #183
Her resuma includes the Iraq war eridani Feb 2016 #184
Kick. (Wish I could share links to DU as I used to but can't, too embarrassing) betsuni Feb 2016 #185
Now I'll have to reconsider Margaret Thatcher as anti-establishment if I agree with your OP aikoaiko Feb 2016 #190
She's a victim of sexism as are all women senseandsensibility Feb 2016 #191
I have not said that you should. (nt) Skinner Feb 2016 #193
You're right, but "some" have, from surrogates senseandsensibility Feb 2016 #194
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