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2016 Postmortem
In reply to the discussion: What's with the loony Hillary derangement syndrome? [View all]polly7
(20,582 posts)100. It doesn't seem like they both desire similar outcomes.
........ On the other side of the ledger, history shows that political and social change emanate from persistent pressureorganizing and arguing for a more just world, not settling for what is deemed realistic before getting to the negotiating table. Remember when gay rights and gay marriage were unrealistic? Remember when voting rights, desegregation, and other basic justice were far from pragmatic? They became real through years of dedicated, principled, idealismby insisting the unrealistic become real.
Change is not, as Clinton has claimed, a matter of magical thinking or waving a wandit is about pushing ideas, building movements, and challenging the status quo. Even before the general election, Clinton is campaigning on a deflating and defeatist politics of half-a-loaf pragmatism, aiming lower on minimum wage, opposing free college, opposing single-payer health care. With Sanders, there is no question he will push for meaningful progressive change. No candidate can guarantee passage of their platformbut at least Sanders makes change possible.
On the question of leadership, Clintons other central campaign theme is her record of experience. As first lady, Clinton failed at health-care reform. She never pushed for single-payer health care and never built a coalition for anything beyond a compromised managed-care system. She also supported three of Bill Clintons signature measures, which all proved disastrous: welfare rollback, which unraveled safety-net supports for poor families, low-income women, and millions of working-class Americans; the omnibus crime bill with its three strikes and mandatory minimum sentencing, which contributed to a generation of long-term, largely African American inmates and felons; and NAFTA, which helped impoverish millions of Mexican and Central America farmers, leading to mass migration and social and economic upheaval.
On the question of leadership, Clintons other central campaign theme is her record of experience. As first lady, Clinton failed at health-care reform. She never pushed for single-payer health care and never built a coalition for anything beyond a compromised managed-care system. She also supported three of Bill Clintons signature measures, which all proved disastrous: welfare rollback, which unraveled safety-net supports for poor families, low-income women, and millions of working-class Americans; the omnibus crime bill with its three strikes and mandatory minimum sentencing, which contributed to a generation of long-term, largely African American inmates and felons; and NAFTA, which helped impoverish millions of Mexican and Central America farmers, leading to mass migration and social and economic upheaval.
Clintons most persistent attackparroted by mainstream mediaclaims that Sanderss agenda is perhaps laudable but unrealistic. Moderation is more effective, she claims. However, this is a misreading of American politics and factual comparisons of the candidates track records.
No matter where a Democratic president is on the spectrum, Republicans block and push rightward. In her campaign, as in the past, Hillary Clinton has compromised her agenda before the political battle even begins.
Full article: https://zcomm.org/znetarticle/the-pragmatic-case-for-bernie-sanders/
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I'm the juror who said " Leave it as a memorial to the posters Stupidity "
orpupilofnature57
Feb 2016
#44
Good for you! BTW, that link doesn't work for others beside you, apparently. Could you please post
kath
Feb 2016
#112
Such a ridiculous alert it was a no-brainer. Took all of 6 minutes too.
beam me up scottie
Feb 2016
#121
Speaking of which, it seems they are having a contest to see who can post the stupidest stuff, and
kath
Feb 2016
#114
Spare me. Hillary's all about Hillary. Oh and wealthy campaign and Foundation contributors. nt
nc4bo
Feb 2016
#7
This whole "Bernie will be shredded by the GOP" argument seems to be codespeak for
Nuclear Unicorn
Feb 2016
#8
Chelsea wasn't a hedge fund manager. She worked at s hedge fund though. Huge difference.
Lucky Luciano
Feb 2016
#84
If you want to toss endless grenades at Bernie, then don't whine when some are tossed your way.
ebayfool
Feb 2016
#27
Sorry. I was fresh from reading the OP - the last line irritated & stuck with me!
ebayfool
Feb 2016
#34
The status quo is untenable. Clinton is indeed deranged to run on keeping things as they are.
Betty Karlson
Feb 2016
#14
No: Clinton wants Wall Street driving the car; Sanders wants democracy at the wheel.
Betty Karlson
Feb 2016
#68
"Ridiculous / Predictable / Simplistic": your attempts at rebuttal are pathetic and arrogant.
Betty Karlson
Feb 2016
#85
My apologies: she wants herself in the driver's seat, and Wall Street as the GPS. n/t
Betty Karlson
Feb 2016
#127
Seriously, so much for "Yes We Can!"... with Hillary, it's now "No We Can't!"
InAbLuEsTaTe
Feb 2016
#70
Translation: Waaaaaaaaah! People are using HRC's works, friends, actions and stances
Feeling the Bern
Feb 2016
#18
So true... like momma used to say: if you play with matches, you're gonna get Berned.
InAbLuEsTaTe
Feb 2016
#73
The sentence is incomplete without, "But Bernie is Christ."Don't hurt me, dude! I've seen the light!
Hekate
Feb 2016
#104
Wow! It would be interesting to hear the path that this person took from THEN to NOW.
CoffeeCat
Feb 2016
#87
you seriously posted this after your endless slams against Sanders and his supporters?
Warren Stupidity
Feb 2016
#26
Did you think it "loony derangement syndrome" when we criticized George Bush?
m-lekktor
Feb 2016
#31
I'm beginning to think the rabid attacks on Hillary may evidence a fear of Bernie being an
Augiedog
Feb 2016
#33
I don't mind, as long as it's my sister-in-law's pecan "pie in the sky"! Dee-lishhh!
InAbLuEsTaTe
Feb 2016
#79
What happened to You ? Sour grapes with no Comprehensive content, Ever .
orpupilofnature57
Feb 2016
#78
We understand. You can't in good conscious sell or defend Hillary's flip flopping positons
CentralMass
Feb 2016
#89
Why must threads in GD:P be devoted to sniping at DUers instead of candidates' platforms?
Orsino
Feb 2016
#90
Is this OP an illustration of a Hillary supporter whining, squeeling and yelling foul?
Tierra_y_Libertad
Feb 2016
#98
Conservatives can't help it. She is simply better than they are and it drives them crazy. nt.
NCTraveler
Feb 2016
#99
"Hillary is NOT the antiChrist" - Is that campaign slogan available on a T-shirt or bumper sticker?
PoliticAverse
Feb 2016
#101
Interesting that the poster uses the same tactics of name-calling and nastiness
guillaumeb
Feb 2016
#102