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16. My undergrad was the equivalent of a Major in Poly Sci (my school didn't have majors back then)
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 08:34 AM
Feb 2016

It's interesting, but the sample size is too small to draw any inference over the politics of the jury vote. At 7 AM on a Sunday, I'll bet the jury pool isn't that large.

Also, a few other thoughts.

Jury instructions are to apply DU standards rather than vote for the candidate of your choice. Even in our politically-active population, it's likely that some DUers will follow the instructions. Some probably will not.

In this regard, I'm also recalling my time in the Army - there is a few UCMJ punitive articles that apply to Officers, Cadets & Midshipman but not to Enlisted personnel. One of them is Conduct Unbecoming an Officer and Gentleman/Gentlewoman. The other is Contempt Towards Officials. It singles out a handful of people like POTUS, VPOTUS, SECDEF, the Governor if the State you are in, and a few more.

The elements of proof are
First, that the Officer, Cadet or midshipman/woman said/wrote words about the "protected" [my word] official and second, that in the context they were said, the words were contemptuous. Importantly, unlike the civil torts of libel or slander, the truth of the words is not a defense.

In the 90s, an Air Force Major General (2-star) remarked in a graduation address that Bill Clinton was a draft-dodging, dome-smoking womanizer. He was punished and his career was effectively over. I suppose if he had added...And as a fighter pilot, I recognize him as one of us and induct him as an honorary fighter pilot - Go Bill, save a few for us dude! the intent would not have been contemptuous and he could have been found no guilty.

So what is our real standard on DU? Is truth a defense? If it is opinion, if the poster sincerely believes it (hard to judge sometimes) should we let it stand? Should certain attacks on ANYBODY (for example going NAZI when it's not referring to a WWI NAZI) be removed without a jury because that kind of post degrades us as a community?

What I believe it is right now is that if four of the seven tend to agree and chuckle to them self, "well that captures the SOB the way I like", it stands.

I think we can do better. If I was doing Opposition Research for a Republican candidate, I would have a few staff LIVE on DU just to find the most vicious over the top comments of the day and send them to allied press that would put Democratic Candidates on the spot about disavowing to comments - just to drive wedges through fault lines.

Lying again. He has been clear: it will take a new congress cali Feb 2016 #1
He won't provide a new Congress, that is now clear. Hortensis Feb 2016 #27
HRC - Still Pandering To The Masses - With Ever More Untruth cantbeserious Feb 2016 #2
She's one to lecture about right and wrong. bobbobbins01 Feb 2016 #3
She's absolutely correct, you know. NurseJackie Feb 2016 #4
She's a corrupt liar with horrible judgment cali Feb 2016 #5
Jury Results 24601 Feb 2016 #12
My undergrad was the equivalent of a Major in Poly Sci (my school didn't have majors back then) 24601 Feb 2016 #16
No, she is wrong... chervilant Feb 2016 #11
and every one of her promised Duckhunter935 Feb 2016 #26
That's some massive projection from the candidate jfern Feb 2016 #6
It's typical Clinton sleaze shit. cali Feb 2016 #7
Is it wrong to promise lobbyist she can deliver safeinOhio Feb 2016 #8
Vote for me, the corrupt lying dream crusher! cali Feb 2016 #9
She's trying really hard EdwardBernays Feb 2016 #10
HRC:"You're asking me to say I have never, I don't believe I ever have. I don't believe I ever will" nc4bo Feb 2016 #13
Yes, she is repulsive. Yes, she is ruthless. NoSeVaya Feb 2016 #14
It's wrong for the Clintons to misrepresent their positions on TPP, etc. Skwmom Feb 2016 #15
Her campaign is shameful. Broward Feb 2016 #17
She'll lower that family health care insurance price tag from $5,000 to $4,900 and say it's progress reformist2 Feb 2016 #19
She's toeing the line of the insurance/health-care industry. Customers must pay through the nose! reformist2 Feb 2016 #18
Pot, meet kettle. Jester Messiah Feb 2016 #20
Sowing discord that will linger long after the primaries end IS wrong. ucrdem Feb 2016 #21
Exactly, the numbers do not add up itsrobert Feb 2016 #22
Clinton's solution? MattSh Feb 2016 #23
Because she knows who 'delivering' would hurt ..... and it wouldn't be those asking for change. nt. polly7 Feb 2016 #25
That seems to be the strategy loyalsister Feb 2016 #37
Going for the Homer vote JBoy Feb 2016 #24
It's wrong of Hillary to not even try Chasstev365 Feb 2016 #28
Bernie knows he can't deliver redstateblues Feb 2016 #29
The Lady doth protest too much, Methinks. n/t PeoViejo Feb 2016 #30
It's also wrong to attack your husband's accusers... hoosierlib Feb 2016 #31
And how is she going to deliver the free community college? thesquanderer Feb 2016 #32
with all civility, The Clinton Foundation provided 'free' education & medical care for foreigners. Sunlei Feb 2016 #33
So is Clinton wrong to do the same thing? jeff47 Feb 2016 #34
It is wrong to vote for international war crimes. PowerToThePeople Feb 2016 #35
She is making liberal promises too TTUBatfan2008 Feb 2016 #36
Kick SecularMotion Feb 2016 #38
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