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EffieBlack

(14,249 posts)
147. Really? I guess it depends on who the legislator is and how hard they're actually fighting
Sun Feb 28, 2016, 10:17 PM
Feb 2016

Bernie Sanders has usually voted right, and that's great, but that's his job. And that's not fighting. If he wants to claim the mantle of being a fighter, he should have done more than vote other people's legislation up or down. He has not developed a record or a reputation for being a fighter for African Americans. African Americans aren't stupid. We know who is fighting for us and know this without having to have this "explained" to us by a bunch of white folks whom we don't know and who have never shown any interest in us or in our communities until they tried to bully us into vote for the guy THEY want to be elected.

The fact that African Americans rejected Sanders in such overwhelming numbers last night should tell you something. Among other things, it should tell you that black folks aren't buying the "Bernie's been fighting for civil rights his entire life" and since we're in a much better position to know than you are, you might want to listen to us and stop repeating that meme. It's not working for your guy.

Unfortunately that was 16 years ago. NWCorona Feb 2016 #1
So, around the same time Hillary was saying she was still "proud" of having been a Goldwater girl Mufaddal Feb 2016 #9
Yeah but that's different obviously. NWCorona Feb 2016 #11
Wait till their 4 FTAs decimate the economy AGAIN! Baobab Feb 2016 #57
Did she even know about the presentation? nt Jitter65 Feb 2016 #114
Totally false - this was more than THIRTY years after she was a "Goldwater girl", and this..... George II Feb 2016 #42
She may be the nominee. She likely will not be elected President. And if she is, watch out. highprincipleswork Feb 2016 #50
Would you prefer Trump? pscot Feb 2016 #98
No difference morally Politicalboi Feb 2016 #128
Politics is an immoral business pscot Feb 2016 #144
And Al Gore is the same as George W. Bush Buzz cook Feb 2016 #151
That got old a while ago also. Clearly the Dem Party Leadership doesn't care whether or not sabrina 1 Feb 2016 #158
I would prefer to repeal the 22nd amendment, or just leave the office empty for four years. AtheistCrusader Feb 2016 #161
Read more carefully. jeff47 Feb 2016 #51
A correction: "She said she IS (not was) proud to have been Herman4747 Feb 2016 #58
Yes, I only used the past tense because the interview was in the past. (nt) jeff47 Feb 2016 #68
Yes. Fluency in English senz Feb 2016 #101
:hattip: jeff47 Feb 2016 #102
Yes, reading comprehension helps, doesn't it? nt laundry_queen Feb 2016 #90
If so the 99% will continue to suffer. It's a tough battle against the Big Money rhett o rick Feb 2016 #124
1996 is more than 30 years ago? Mufaddal Feb 2016 #154
"...my political beliefs are rooted in the conserfvatism that I was raised with. I don't recognize Petrushka Feb 2016 #169
Robert Reich has known her since she was 17. He just endorsed Bernie Sanders. sabrina 1 Feb 2016 #157
Robert Reich doesn't like Hillary because Bill fired him from his cabinet. And he's been sending... George II Feb 2016 #159
He's a Democrat and airc, he and several other Progressives quit Clinton's cabinet after realizing sabrina 1 Feb 2016 #163
Actually it was around the same time she was running for senate as a DEMOCRAT liberalnarb Feb 2016 #164
Just like her Iraq War vote, and besides, it was "just" 1 vote and she's sorry WhaTHellsgoingonhere Feb 2016 #26
If she makes it to the general. Trump will use that vote against her for sure. NWCorona Feb 2016 #27
It's AMAZING that self-identified Liberals and Progressives DON'T WhaTHellsgoingonhere Feb 2016 #33
I can't see how a true progressive could ever forgive Hillary for that vote. NWCorona Feb 2016 #38
Third Wayers so badly want to call themselves Liberals and Progressives. They're ashamed of... WhaTHellsgoingonhere Feb 2016 #48
+1000 Own it! eom noiretextatique Feb 2016 #63
Did you know that "Progressive Liberalisation" is a code word for GLOBAL PRIVATISATION? Baobab Feb 2016 #66
Hadn't heard that term, but I am keeping my eye this stuff and H-1B expansion WhaTHellsgoingonhere Feb 2016 #73
Have you ever heard of GATS Mode IV? Its not immigration, its not H1B, its perhaps L1 visas Baobab Feb 2016 #120
But you can forgive Bernie for voting against redstateblues Feb 2016 #131
The short answer is yes. NWCorona Feb 2016 #134
I think if it was just Iraq. PyaarRevolution Feb 2016 #109
Definitely. And here's problem with the "just 1 vote" argument. It goes something like this: WhaTHellsgoingonhere Feb 2016 #122
It's clear, I like it. kristopher Feb 2016 #153
so.... Selma was how long ago and that doesn't count either wow thats stretching it :( n/t PatrynXX Feb 2016 #87
He has done it his entire life. It's who he is. senz Feb 2016 #91
Why "unfortunately"? Other than no other white politicians caring enough show up, of course. n/t cui bono Feb 2016 #99
Recommend.. KoKo Feb 2016 #2
WOW! great gif combination! erlewyne Feb 2016 #31
K&R EndElectoral Feb 2016 #3
So true, Big K and R litlbilly Feb 2016 #4
There are people of color and white people who still say, Bernie who? Jefferson23 Feb 2016 #5
I think some people just don't care as the lines were already drawn NWCorona Feb 2016 #8
Many variables, yes. As we speak..Bernie's ad is running on tv. Jefferson23 Feb 2016 #10
Unfortunately I think it's that some don't want to know him NWCorona Feb 2016 #12
Oh I don't think so, people will listen at least and then we have to compare/ Jefferson23 Feb 2016 #14
I've had people here and elsewhere say that they are with Hillary no matter what. NWCorona Feb 2016 #15
We'll see, he was never suppose to do this well. She had every advantage and he has been Jefferson23 Feb 2016 #16
Don't get me wrong. NWCorona Feb 2016 #17
No worries, I think we have to look at everything too and what you're saying Jefferson23 Feb 2016 #18
Idk either unfortunately NWCorona Feb 2016 #21
You have to remember that Bernie has never said anything bad about anyone really NWCorona Feb 2016 #19
True. I did not support her the first time, so to see her back again running the same Jefferson23 Feb 2016 #23
So Tell Our Democratic Leaders To STOP Keeping Him ChiciB1 Feb 2016 #65
Look at the fervor for idiot Trump Plucketeer Feb 2016 #155
K&R Cleita Feb 2016 #6
Huuuuuuuge K&R kgnu_fan Feb 2016 #7
But Hillary's a woman. And that takes priority. Smarmie Doofus Feb 2016 #13
Plus it avoids all those pesky questions re: transcripts, Goldman Sachs, etc. nt 99th_Monkey Feb 2016 #67
That's the "thinking " part. Smarmie Doofus Feb 2016 #104
Bernie isn't using people for their votes olddots Feb 2016 #20
He is earning every single vote. n/t JimDandy Feb 2016 #52
the event itself was sponsered by Hillary Clinton JI7 Feb 2016 #22
Some here will actually believe that senz Feb 2016 #88
Hillary's campaign is one long stream of bullshit. Doctor_J Feb 2016 #24
THe RW Brain is teh RW brain Ferd Berfel Feb 2016 #45
Fox News & Frank Luntz made it possible. senz Feb 2016 #89
Thom Hartmann ~ It is tough when you are up against billionaires and ballot bandits. Jenny_92808 Feb 2016 #25
Selma? He wasn't AT Selma!!! MADem Feb 2016 #28
"He's been on the front lines since Selma." jhart3333 Feb 2016 #34
Come ON. That's a stretch. I don't see it as a "reference in time"--I see it as a reference of MADem Feb 2016 #40
The Selma march was in 1965 - Bernie was at the March in 1963 and arrested in 1964 EffieBlack Feb 2016 #71
Come on now NWCorona Feb 2016 #46
Palast deserves some scorn for those comments. nt MADem Feb 2016 #149
Scorn? Not sure but corrected? Yes NWCorona Feb 2016 #150
Sorry, we have to disagree here, though I appreciate your civil tone. MADem Feb 2016 #165
There is nothing wrong with disagreeing but we should always NWCorona Feb 2016 #166
Even if he mispoke Ferd Berfel Feb 2016 #49
MIA at a party SHE put on. Please. You're going to have to do better than this. MADem Feb 2016 #62
There can only be one black people event per day and that was the one Bernie attended EffieBlack Feb 2016 #74
LOL!!!! John Lewis should be ashamed, that he and HRC were off doing all that Leadership stuff! nt MADem Feb 2016 #82
It's mind blowing. MADem Feb 2016 #132
This message was self-deleted by its author Ferd Berfel Feb 2016 #54
Welcome to planet baloney. ucrdem Feb 2016 #76
This is the most astounding case of recycled hoo-ha I've seen in recent years! nt MADem Feb 2016 #80
Yep. And it will reappear tomorrow as if nothing had happened. ucrdem Feb 2016 #83
I realize this won't matter but Palast nerver said Bernie was at Selma Ferd Berfel Feb 2016 #111
Wordsmith Greg also says Bernie was the only white guy to show. Does that mean Palast didn't? ucrdem Feb 2016 #112
LOL!!! You know what this entire hot mess of a thread reminds me of? MADem Feb 2016 #135
LOL. That's the problem alright. ucrdem Feb 2016 #143
Wrong. He said Bernie was the only white member of congress to show. senz Feb 2016 #138
OP says otherwise. nt ucrdem Feb 2016 #142
On video Greg said he was the only white member of congress to show. senz Feb 2016 #145
Big K&R! nt Duval Feb 2016 #29
No, Greg, Bernie has not been "on the front lines since Selma." SunSeeker Feb 2016 #30
+1,000! nt MADem Feb 2016 #43
Your post is dismissive and very disrespectful. NWCorona Feb 2016 #61
No, it's ACCURATE. He was never anywhere NEAR Selma, and to suggest he was is akin to MADem Feb 2016 #77
Shame on me? NWCorona Feb 2016 #84
It wasn't an opponent that started this bad idea of a thread. MADem Feb 2016 #126
What civil rights legislation did Bernie fight for and get passed during his time in the Senate? EffieBlack Feb 2016 #81
Ok I'll bite NWCorona Feb 2016 #92
His entire legislative career. SOLID. senz Feb 2016 #103
That's a list of votes and statements, most of which have little to do with POC EffieBlack Feb 2016 #113
Voting from the comfort of Congress is not equivalent to being on the "front lines." nt SunSeeker Feb 2016 #86
That I can agree with. NWCorona Feb 2016 #93
That is why my post explicitly addressed Greg. nt SunSeeker Feb 2016 #96
And I understand that NWCorona Feb 2016 #97
What part of what I said is incorrect? nt SunSeeker Feb 2016 #115
It's a matter of giving some respect. NWCorona Feb 2016 #117
I was not disrespectful. I was correcting the factual inaccuracy of Greg ' s quote. nt SunSeeker Feb 2016 #118
A bit more than that. NWCorona Feb 2016 #125
Bingo. EffieBlack Feb 2016 #75
Truth. ucrdem Feb 2016 #78
neither was Hillary. Hiraeth Feb 2016 #167
"I also don't tolerate bullshit over facts" MisterP Feb 2016 #32
He certainly knows how to spread it, with that SELMA assertion..... nt MADem Feb 2016 #47
Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Feb 2016 #35
K & R! TIME TO PANIC Feb 2016 #36
At the time she was the wife of a lame duck President. She wasn't in the Congress like Sanders was. George II Feb 2016 #37
What she could have accomplished was simply Showing Interest. nt Duval Feb 2016 #41
Why? George II Feb 2016 #44
Because she's such a fng friend to AA's noiretextatique Feb 2016 #64
No, she was a sitting senator, she was co-hosting that event, AND she was speaking at a Black MADem Feb 2016 #79
In 2004? senz Feb 2016 #139
Palast is a great investigative reporter. Duval Feb 2016 #39
Perfectly good proof of his commitment to the cause, but our own people "swiftboat" him for this. highprincipleswork Feb 2016 #53
Precisely. Enthusiast Feb 2016 #56
K&R! This post should have hundreds of recommendations! Enthusiast Feb 2016 #55
And so it shall. Well, at least I think it will, and here's some more. highprincipleswork Feb 2016 #60
HUGE K & R !!! - Thank You !!! WillyT Feb 2016 #59
Palast "forgot" to mention that Hillary wasn't there because she was co-hosting a forum with the CBC EffieBlack Feb 2016 #69
Good catch. ucrdem Feb 2016 #72
Same day as the CBC meeting? PROVE IT. senz Feb 2016 #94
Here tammywammy Feb 2016 #105
Sorry, tammywammy, but: fail. senz Feb 2016 #107
These photos are where Hillary was at July 15, 2004 tammywammy Feb 2016 #116
It was July 15 - Pelosi's statement had the wrong date EffieBlack Feb 2016 #123
To resolve this, we need the date of the CBC meeting senz Feb 2016 #133
Here tammywammy Feb 2016 #137
Doesn't explain CBC attendance at both. senz Feb 2016 #140
I've never insinuated that Clinton attended the hearing with Greg Palast tammywammy Feb 2016 #141
the event attended by Sanders was sponsered by senator Clinton also JI7 Feb 2016 #95
Two different events. senz Feb 2016 #129
HA! Proof that this is a LIE. senz Feb 2016 #100
You're not even making any sense EffieBlack Feb 2016 #106
Be more specific. senz Feb 2016 #108
In order to have a joint event on the Hill, it must be co-sponsored by MADem Feb 2016 #130
Palast did not give his talk senz Feb 2016 #136
See above. nt ucrdem Feb 2016 #70
Bernie has ALWAYS been a strong advocate for PoC. senz Feb 2016 #85
Bernie has supported civil rights for POC his whole life - but he's not a fighter EffieBlack Feb 2016 #110
Legislators fight their battles indoors senz Feb 2016 #121
Really? I guess it depends on who the legislator is and how hard they're actually fighting EffieBlack Feb 2016 #147
Then I hope you're not supporting Hillary. senz Feb 2016 #152
Big K 'n R! 2banon Feb 2016 #119
OK, he showed up for the meeting. Then what? What did he do after that? nt Jitter65 Feb 2016 #127
Crickets EffieBlack Feb 2016 #148
Where were the other Democrats? Octafish Feb 2016 #146
When it doesn't happen on enough television sets, it doesn't exist. Orsino Feb 2016 #156
That is what is typical of Bernie. He doesn't operate on the premise there are cameras on him. Vinca Feb 2016 #160
KICKED avaistheone1 Feb 2016 #162
Pardon me for being blunt, but why don't more Black Voters WHEN CRABS ROAR Feb 2016 #168
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