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Qutzupalotl

(14,230 posts)
31. We don't "hate the wealthy," we just don't want them buying elections
Mon Feb 29, 2016, 08:00 PM
Feb 2016

to rig the system in their favor.

I don't begrudge the wealthy a free education at a public college if they want one. If they pay taxes into the system, why shouldn't they benefit?

Same with Social Security: even though it's very unlikely the rich will need it, they could conceivably be sued into the poorhouse or wind up there for some other reason. It's a safety net that provides security to us ALL. But once you start means testing, the next move from the oligarchs will be to dismantle it, with the argument: Why should I pay for something I won't use? That could win in a conservative Supreme Court, and cause the collapse of SS.

Besides, we ALL benefit when more people can get an education. We won't vote theocrats into office, for one thing. And we might be less prone to invading the wrong country again.

It makes perfect sense to a candidate funded by the student loan industry n/t arcane1 Feb 2016 #1
Indentured servitude makes for better workers. reformist2 Feb 2016 #28
They remain well-cowed and will choke down hifiguy Feb 2016 #48
Funny, i never heard her say "free college is bad." She said she doesn't a system that pays for the Jitter65 Feb 2016 #102
Those kids go to private colleges which wouldn't be a part of this plan. onecaliberal Feb 2016 #103
Not all wealthy kids go to private colleges. nt Jitter65 Feb 2016 #109
Like I said everyone has to fill out FAFSA. No rich kid is going to take advantage. onecaliberal Feb 2016 #110
It's the same old RW argument we always get about needing to 'means test' benefits. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Feb 2016 #2
The rich do not go to state colleges - also SoLeftIAmRight Mar 2016 #114
At least shes's consistently incoherent. kristopher Feb 2016 #3
+ 100 farleftlib Feb 2016 #13
Indeed. kenfrequed Mar 2016 #117
They do to Goldman and the rest of the vampire squid. hifiguy Feb 2016 #50
OK santabill Feb 2016 #100
It is so fu@kin asanine FlatBaroque Feb 2016 #4
I am so tired of her excuses and reasons that don't make sense. monicaangela Feb 2016 #5
she just doesn't want to be bothered Rosa Luxemburg Feb 2016 #20
I guess she thinks, why should she monicaangela Feb 2016 #26
There is an explanation that makes her actions make perfect sense. But its not a pleasant one. Baobab Feb 2016 #60
All those rich kids are going to forsake Harvard and Yale for Po Dunk State - Right ! Impedimentus Feb 2016 #6
My first thought each time this stupid response is uttered. FailureToCommunicate Feb 2016 #40
I know. hifiguy Feb 2016 #61
I'm not in anyway trying to impugn the quality of education at stake universities - it's the social Impedimentus Feb 2016 #71
Didn't think you were, not at all. hifiguy Feb 2016 #76
Anymore you can get an ivy league education on fucking YOUTUBE. Volaris Feb 2016 #83
Yeah, like money can buy Harvard and Yale Chico Man Feb 2016 #86
George W Bush attended both Yale and Harvard. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Feb 2016 #104
Best veterinary and architecture schools in the country Recursion Mar 2016 #115
My apologies Impedimentus Mar 2016 #116
No no your point was a good one Recursion Mar 2016 #118
high schools don't have admission requirements that favor dsc Feb 2016 #7
yep! " unfairness would be built in unless high schools were made more equal in our nation" bettyellen Feb 2016 #11
What a crock of bullshit. High schools have residency requirements. cherokeeprogressive Feb 2016 #52
that isn't an admissions requirement dsc Feb 2016 #91
It's also deeply divisive RufusTFirefly Feb 2016 #8
But they don't pay their fair share for any of that! scscholar Feb 2016 #53
Indeed. surrealAmerican Feb 2016 #80
You Better Believe It! great white snark Feb 2016 #9
It's actually a way to tax the wealthy, but people are apparently too obtuse to get it. Hoyt Feb 2016 #10
Nailed it. JaneyVee Feb 2016 #14
No, I think you're the one who is obtuse on this issue BernieforPres2016 Feb 2016 #15
She's proposed debt free education, that's pretty close. In any event, how can you turn this into Hoyt Feb 2016 #17
"Debt free"? She's proposed refinancing at a better rate Qutzupalotl Feb 2016 #21
For those who already have loans. Jeezus. Hoyt Feb 2016 #23
OK, now you're just being completely dishonest. BernieforPres2016 Feb 2016 #33
Even though you are gone, here's her proposal. Hoyt Feb 2016 #37
It's shit tazkcmo Feb 2016 #79
+1 dchill Feb 2016 #94
Thank you. Some people just make shit up. Enthusiast Feb 2016 #25
Don't forget tuition grants & income based repayments. Dem2 Feb 2016 #36
Seems so obvious to me as well Dem2 Feb 2016 #22
We don't "hate the wealthy," we just don't want them buying elections Qutzupalotl Feb 2016 #31
Huh, for Sanders Social Security solution to work, cap would be increased but wealthy would not get Hoyt Feb 2016 #42
They should pay the same rate as everyone else. Qutzupalotl Feb 2016 #44
But Sanders would not allow increased benefits. Hoyt Feb 2016 #57
They get higher benefits from a higher income anyway. Qutzupalotl Feb 2016 #64
Thaaaaannkyu! Ilsa Feb 2016 #93
How many poor people would have to worry about the tax on stock trades? shawn703 Feb 2016 #45
Dont think rich kids go to public colleges? Check UC Berkeley JaneyVee Feb 2016 #12
Which used to be free until Reagan. nt Lucky Luciano Feb 2016 #34
So what? There are kids from well-to-do LibDemAlways Feb 2016 #54
Actually.... JaneyVee Feb 2016 #74
Anecdote Impedimentus Feb 2016 #72
"At least she's consistently incoherent." Carlo Marx Feb 2016 #16
It's all about pitting people against each other... ReallyIAmAnOptimist Feb 2016 #18
I think she just might be superficial enough to buy into the republican class warfare meme loyalsister Feb 2016 #19
she thinks we are dumb. Cobalt Violet Feb 2016 #24
The rich will pay for school like they do now... SoapBox Feb 2016 #27
Not to mention that California did it just fine until... Lucky Luciano Feb 2016 #29
this is actually a very clever angle of attack for HRC 0rganism Feb 2016 #30
A disingenuous argument from Hillary, that's a surprise! Uncle Joe Feb 2016 #32
Free K-12 is bad because rich kids can take advantage jfern Feb 2016 #35
All of those are compulsory programs. In no country is college compulsory. Zynx Feb 2016 #69
You can drop out of HS when you turn 16 jfern Feb 2016 #70
There has to be more to this than meets the eye SmittynMo Feb 2016 #38
The rich kids deserve it too Lordquinton Feb 2016 #39
Thanks for making this point, I was going to as well Hydra Mar 2016 #112
most of what she says makes sense only to fellow travelers stupidicus Feb 2016 #41
Education is the "Great Equalizer" so I can see Phlem Feb 2016 #43
You know, there used to be free public 4 year colleges RoccoR5955 Feb 2016 #46
I attended a Cal State campus from 1970-75. There LibDemAlways Feb 2016 #49
I have said the same thing elsewhere on this board. LibDemAlways Feb 2016 #47
in that regard, she seems to be open to means testing Social Security, too, as well as 3rd way chang amborin Feb 2016 #51
that is their exact argument, which then makes SS a welfare program rurallib Feb 2016 #55
Her whole argument shows the disdain she has for the American public. TIME TO PANIC Feb 2016 #56
I know plenty of kids from well-off families who go to public schools anotherproletariat Feb 2016 #58
We could afford it if we weren't spending trillions of dollars on war. liberal_at_heart Feb 2016 #89
I'm a millenial, and went to high school in an urban area with extremely diverse friends...all of anotherproletariat Mar 2016 #113
Here's an important point pdsimdars Feb 2016 #59
Is this what Hillary said? Thinkingabout Feb 2016 #62
Not much of ANYTHING Plucketeer Feb 2016 #63
Free college is bad because nichomachus Feb 2016 #65
There is a fundamental difference in the case of higher education versus K-12. Zynx Feb 2016 #66
Hee third way politics are stifling. ozone_man Feb 2016 #67
Rich kids would go to Ivy League schools or abroad secondwind Feb 2016 #68
Ivy League schools are highly selective Chico Man Feb 2016 #92
Happens all the time with "legacies" Divernan Feb 2016 #97
Stanford & Univ. of Southern California thrived back when CA had free 4 year colleges Divernan Feb 2016 #73
eggsactly NoMoreRepugs Feb 2016 #85
She knows that. She just knows some people are dumb enough to fall for the argument. nt Live and Learn Feb 2016 #75
So every time I see a Lamborghini using a public road... Califonz Feb 2016 #77
Chad and Buffy won't be going to Cornhole State U. The Velveteen Ocelot Feb 2016 #78
Because sharing MuseRider Feb 2016 #81
Unfortunately there are enough - in fact, way too many - American boneheads out there ... DrBulldog Feb 2016 #82
Is the DNC moving to the right, or is Clinton taking the party there? PoliticalMalcontent Feb 2016 #84
Means testing entitlements is a classic republican move fbc Feb 2016 #87
I know jpb33 Feb 2016 #88
Free college already exists Chico Man Feb 2016 #90
Only for HS Valedictorians with 4.0 QPAs,sky high SATs & lots of AP classes Divernan Feb 2016 #107
I used the Ivy League as an example Chico Man Mar 2016 #120
K&R - Her argument is inane. Rich kids primarily go to private schools anyway. EndElectoral Feb 2016 #95
Adam Johnson, writing for Alternet, posted a nice article regarding this absurd argument. Carlo Marx Feb 2016 #96
Hillary wants college exclusively for trust fund kiddies. That's her main Demographic at this point. whereisjustice Feb 2016 #98
OK santabill Feb 2016 #99
Actually, YES IT DOES!!! I have no desire for my tax dollars spent to pay for 1%ers kids' education Persondem Feb 2016 #101
Does she want to " means test" Social Security as well? seaotter Feb 2016 #105
Rich Kids should not pay either. Gwhittey Feb 2016 #106
She has no clue. delrem Feb 2016 #108
All good points... MoonchildCA Mar 2016 #111
Riiiight. Just like they'll go to food banks and sleep under bridges 'cuz its free! Tierra_y_Libertad Mar 2016 #119
RW talking points felix_numinous Mar 2016 #121
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