2016 Postmortem

Waiting For Everyman

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104. If not Sanders, it will be a Republican.

Wed Mar 2, 2016, 04:23 PM

Mar 2016

Of course I care. That won't change it one bit.

You don't call the Fire Department after the house has burned down.

This election reminds me of 1968, when the Dems should've backed an anti-war candidate but instead went with the Establishment sure-thing, LBJ's VP Hubert Humphrey. Lots of people voted for Tricky Dicky because he promised to end the war, while Humphrey was more "practical" and refused to. Of course Nixon won and he didn't end it, he never intended to. This won't end well either.

"Peace candidate" Nixon's 1968 campaign ad "I pledge to you we shall have an honorable end to the war in Viet Nam". It went on for 7 more years...

Instead of nominating a real peace candidate, the Dem convention nominated Humphrey to continue justifying the war, becoming the "war party" even though the peace movement was almost entirely Dems; it also defeated the anti-war plank of the convention platform.

A documentary in 1984 looking back to 1968: "The Establishment kept its power (in nominating Humphrey) and lost the election"...

Lots of those kids couldn't vote because although they could be drafted at 18, the voting age was 21 then, so the Dem Establishment thought it was safe to disregard them. When they could vote later, they were so turned off that they didn't vote for a long time, and when they did, many still hated the Dem party so much that they voted for Reagan. That is the mistake the Dem party is making all over again right now -- maybe not as drastically, but similarly.

This is what happens when the fake is allowed to replace the real, at the Establishment's bidding.

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A plea for reason: Regardless of your favored candidate, vote Democratic this fall! [View all] Aristus Mar 2016 OP

Agree - 100% Laf.La.Dem. Mar 2016 #1

Let's try waiting til after the convention, please? peacebird Mar 2016 #2

Or at least closer to. We're seeing a lot of these pleas, Hortensis Mar 2016 #25

Of course. Always. nt auntpurl Mar 2016 #3

not signing any loyalty pledges. liberal_at_heart Mar 2016 #4

Yes, because principles apparently shouldn't matter. revbones Mar 2016 #5

Voting on 'principle' or whatever passes for it, gave us President Bush in 2000. Aristus Mar 2016 #7

So you are saying that those with principles should just suck it up because many don't? revbones Mar 2016 #8

What I'm saying is, President Trump won't give a hoot in Hell for anyone's principles. Aristus Mar 2016 #13

lost decade? The middle class had been in decline since Reagan. Try lost 3 decades and that is liberal_at_heart Mar 2016 #16

Under President Gore, we would have had eight more years to level the playing field. Aristus Mar 2016 #18

Gore was in favor of budget cuts to balance the budget, so no Gore would not have liberal_at_heart Mar 2016 #20

Nope. The playing field was not being "leveled" by the end of the Clinton administration. jeff47 Mar 2016 #22

+1000 hamsterjill Mar 2016 #24

Try that argument on Independents. Doesn't work. Maybe you can coerce and bully some liberal_at_heart Mar 2016 #9

This is a point that Hillary folks are really missing... TCJ70 Mar 2016 #10

THANK YOU marions ghost Mar 2016 #12

Message auto-removed Name removed Mar 2016 #82

SCOTUS gave us Bush in 2000 it would be more accurate to say Perot gave us Clinton 1992 azurnoir Mar 2016 #27

While I am of the same mind... gcomeau Mar 2016 #84

After the BS that Bill Clinton pulled in Mass. I for one will never vote for a Clinton again awake Mar 2016 #6

+1 CentralMass Mar 2016 #30

Yep. I don't vote for Republicans, even ones who pretend to be Democrats. nt Svafa Mar 2016 #87

I'll vote for the real Democrat running. n/t PonyUp Mar 2016 #11

How stupid do people have to be BernieforPres2016 Mar 2016 #14

I didn't say anything about signing a loyalty oath. Aristus Mar 2016 #15

todays loyalty oath brought to you by....nt restorefreedom Mar 2016 #17

Boy, you said it ... salinsky Mar 2016 #19

For my entire adult life, the Democratic party has been blackmailing me jeff47 Mar 2016 #23

I'm more than aware of the corrupt machinations of the Democratic party ... salinsky Mar 2016 #42

So you propose continued failure. jeff47 Mar 2016 #62

Actually, what i propose is ... salinsky Mar 2016 #86

No, incrementalism is not preferable. jeff47 Mar 2016 #88

You allow the perfect to become the enemy of the good ... salinsky Mar 2016 #100

''Look, I want my pony too'' Shadowflash Mar 2016 #101

Welcome to DU. You seem level-headed. auntpurl Mar 2016 #66

Bullshit. TM99 Mar 2016 #107

Thank you! And welcome to DU. hamsterjill Mar 2016 #28

I will be voting D for every contest, except maybe 1. bigwillq Mar 2016 #21

same here Duckhunter935 Mar 2016 #79

If President Trump isn't wanted, work harder for Bernie. Waiting For Everyman Mar 2016 #26

But if Bernie isn't on the ballot at the end of the day, what then? hamsterjill Mar 2016 #29

If Hillary wins she and other Democrats will continue to cave to cuts to social services. liberal_at_heart Mar 2016 #31

But then it will be necessary that you choose the lesser of two evils, won't it? hamsterjill Mar 2016 #37

I don't consider Hillary the lesser of two evils. When you take us to war, spend liberal_at_heart Mar 2016 #39

Yes, but you will be making a decision one way or another. hamsterjill Mar 2016 #43

I don't care what you consider it. liberal_at_heart Mar 2016 #45

Thank you. hamsterjill Mar 2016 #48

Good bye. You are going on my ignore list. liberal_at_heart Mar 2016 #54

That's fine. That is your loss. hamsterjill Mar 2016 #58

After what I've seen, the country deserves Trumpasaurus marions ghost Mar 2016 #47

Do you prefer President Trump or President Cruz to President With-A-D-After lastlib Mar 2016 #112

That includes not electing politicians that help them pass their agenda. CentralMass Mar 2016 #32

exactly. Thank you. liberal_at_heart Mar 2016 #34

Still, if it comes down to Hillary and Trump. hamsterjill Mar 2016 #38

We had the Presidency and (albeit a thin one) majority in Congress and we capitulated . CentralMass Mar 2016 #63

But the ballot has only two names on it. hamsterjill Mar 2016 #68

it also depends on the state Duckhunter935 Mar 2016 #81

Without Bernie, we're going to lose. Waiting For Everyman Mar 2016 #61

Still, again, the topic of discussion in these postings is beyond this. hamsterjill Mar 2016 #69

No, the choice is now. Waiting For Everyman Mar 2016 #71

My intent is not to place blame. hamsterjill Mar 2016 #76

If not Sanders, it will be a Republican. Waiting For Everyman Mar 2016 #104

I thought votes had to be earned? Vattel Mar 2016 #33

What do we do if no one running honestly possesses Democratic Principles? /nt RiverLover Mar 2016 #35

Go with whomever is closest dana_b Mar 2016 #52

So glad to be "No Party Affiliation." Le Taz Hot Mar 2016 #36

I wouldn't be able to sleep at night unless I did everything possible to keep a Republican hamsterjill Mar 2016 #40

I am doing everything I can to keep a Republican out of the White House. Le Taz Hot Mar 2016 #44

But, once again, IF the printed ballot has Hillary as the Democratic nominee. hamsterjill Mar 2016 #46

Edit dana_b Mar 2016 #53

No problem. hamsterjill Mar 2016 #59

I disagree. Lizzie Poppet Mar 2016 #75

Interesting point. hamsterjill Mar 2016 #78

That's a fair point, and as I mentioned, I'll be watching the polling carefully. Lizzie Poppet Mar 2016 #85

Thank you. hamsterjill Mar 2016 #94

Likewise! Lizzie Poppet Mar 2016 #111

I live with anxiety every day because of both the Republicans and the Democrats. liberal_at_heart Mar 2016 #51

I'm so sorry that you and your son are going through this. hamsterjill Mar 2016 #57

I'll happily support Democrats. Betty Karlson Mar 2016 #41

Voting for Bernie inchhigh Mar 2016 #49

I'll vote for whqtever progressive earns my vote. Fuddnik Mar 2016 #50

Me too n/t dana_b Mar 2016 #56

Feel free to keep begging. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Mar 2016 #55

No one is begging. Beacool Mar 2016 #67

More than president HassleCat Mar 2016 #60

I'll vote for the most progressive candidate on the ballot. Tierra_y_Libertad Mar 2016 #64

I keep repeating myself, but I would vote for a turnip if it had a "D" after it's name. Beacool Mar 2016 #65

I will be. Probably starting on line 2 though Doctor_J Mar 2016 #70

Here's the cool thing -- Hell Hath No Fury Mar 2016 #72

I'll vote for the progressive candidate. Lizzie Poppet Mar 2016 #73

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Not if the candidate doesn't represent my interests.[n/t] Maedhros Mar 2016 #77

Exactly... Not gonna vote for Liars, Or Cheaters or Wholly-Bought Corporate Shills... AzDar Mar 2016 #80

If something goes without saying so much olddots Mar 2016 #83

Awesome, the daily Loyalty Post! Katashi_itto Mar 2016 #89

More like the daily Drumpf Will Set The Country On The Path To Ruin post. KamaAina Mar 2016 #91

yes that does seem to be the meme of the day. Either vote for Hillary or you are to blame for liberal_at_heart Mar 2016 #92

Madman or Corrupt War Hawk... Katashi_itto Mar 2016 #93

Oh, come on. You're from Louisiana. Remember "Vote for the crook. It's important!"? KamaAina Mar 2016 #95

Not this time. I won't prop a corrupt system up anymore. Katashi_itto Mar 2016 #96

As for my state. It's waking up to the fact it has no money and the people that enabled Jindal Katashi_itto Mar 2016 #97

I had heard that. I can't imagine what the people of the Gret Stet will do without LSU football. KamaAina Mar 2016 #98

Probably the only thing. After decades of corruption people are fatalistic Katashi_itto Mar 2016 #99

Yeah you rite. KamaAina Mar 2016 #103

You should hear the local radio stations. Describing, that is still bury your head in the sand Katashi_itto Mar 2016 #105

I'll vote for the candidate most likely to enact Universal Health Care Dems to Win Mar 2016 #90

LOLOLOLOL! No more blackmailing for me. Katashi_itto Mar 2016 #102

Same. n/t PonyUp Mar 2016 #106

I'm voting for Bernie Sanders this fall. If he's the nominee, I'll gladly vote D. ThePhilosopher04 Mar 2016 #108

Sounds reasonable to me! In_The_Wind Mar 2016 #109

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