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dreamnightwind

(4,775 posts)
229. Yes, and I think the system has worked for them
Sat Mar 5, 2016, 12:52 AM
Mar 2016

The pain hasn't fully spread to enough of them yet, and they aren't overly concerned that for so many it has.

They have bought into an ideology, which, despite its many flaws and collateral damage, is working for a number of them, at least superficially, though climate change, economic collapse, and wars will ultimately put the lie to this.

But for now, the ones I know are either old, done, and comfortable (don't rock the boat), or they're people with successful, mostly corporate careers who think those less fortunate should just get with the program.

But yeah, TV is a huge part of it, and the whole zeitgeist that corporate media has created.

All wins are good wins, but ME is the important one Ned_Devine Mar 2016 #1
Why do you believe ME is the important one? n/t winter is coming Mar 2016 #26
Because it's a state he'll win in the GE, whereas the others aren't Ned_Devine Mar 2016 #36
What difference does that make? (n/t) thesquanderer Mar 2016 #159
Because they have all the lobster. Arkana Mar 2016 #179
LOL Beartracks Mar 2016 #240
My husband and I will be caucusing in Maine on Sunday for Bernie! PWPippin Mar 2016 #43
Thank you! Enthusiast Mar 2016 #64
Our pleasure and our obligation for our grandchildren. PWPippin Mar 2016 #85
Bernie must win! Enthusiast Mar 2016 #87
Our future and particularly the future of our children's children depend on it. PWPippin Mar 2016 #202
What a great report. It really has been so kuhl to have younger people truedelphi Mar 2016 #153
At the first Bernie gathering I attended, PWPippin Mar 2016 #204
You sound like my grandparents democrattotheend Mar 2016 #192
I think your grandparents would be very proud of you. PWPippin Mar 2016 #210
Aww, thank you democrattotheend Mar 2016 #219
What treasured memories! PWPippin Mar 2016 #242
Awesome! Look forward to hearing how it goes! Bubzer Mar 2016 #144
Thanks for the heads up. PWPippin Mar 2016 #205
Look forward to reading your post! Bubzer Mar 2016 #209
me too! nt magical thyme Mar 2016 #157
Yeah! Let's hope for a yuuuuge turnout. PWPippin Mar 2016 #212
the weather should be pretty decent :-) magical thyme Mar 2016 #216
Let the sun shine in! PWPippin Mar 2016 #217
Me too! My first ever caucus! GreenPartyVoter Mar 2016 #215
It's a curious process. Enjoy. PWPippin Mar 2016 #218
He is absolutely the right man at the right time! GreenPartyVoter Mar 2016 #243
When the People are ready, the Leader will appear. n/t libdem4life Mar 2016 #274
I'll be there caucusing for Bernie! Political_Junkie Mar 2016 #147
Yeah! As goes Maine . . . PWPippin Mar 2016 #195
So goes the nation. Showtime folks! appalachiablue Mar 2016 #197
Love it! PWPippin Mar 2016 #201
Rise! Rise! Damn, look at those numbers!!! yourpaljoey Mar 2016 #2
that explains why we are not hearing about any contests this weekend in the corporate press corkhead Mar 2016 #3
You understand that Hillary will win more delegates this weekend? hack89 Mar 2016 #6
seems he is doing fine.. timmymoff Mar 2016 #41
Wins mean nothing. Delegates mean everything. hack89 Mar 2016 #54
yes, and when it gets closer seeing hillary timmymoff Mar 2016 #59
When she wins Michigan by a large margin, what will your excuse be then? hack89 Mar 2016 #71
The "excuse" will be Plucketeer Mar 2016 #105
Damn, well said, my sentiments exactly. dreamnightwind Mar 2016 #156
I love this post. VERY well encapsulated. K&R, nt. druidity33 Mar 2016 #193
Indeed! Plucketeer Mar 2016 #199
They're all heavy television consumers, in my experience Lorien Mar 2016 #208
Yes, and I think the system has worked for them dreamnightwind Mar 2016 #229
When you write posts like this... potone Mar 2016 #264
This sort of sanctimonious thought process I think is part of why Sanders is losing mythology Mar 2016 #234
not stupid, just ignorant redruddyred Mar 2016 #251
I guess you believe... reACTIONary Mar 2016 #267
yes that's exactly right redruddyred Mar 2016 #270
I guess you consider hillary's AA supporters . .. reACTIONary Mar 2016 #269
Not even 2% in MA - only 1% (to another significant figure, it is 1.4%. Which does NOT round to 2%) kath Mar 2016 #117
Message auto-removed Name removed Mar 2016 #152
Delegates are important if you want Sanders to be the nominee Gothmog Mar 2016 #256
Such a Hillary 'win' will tear this party apart yourpaljoey Mar 2016 #60
It is unfortunate then that Bernie's supporters have failed him by refusing to vote. nt hack89 Mar 2016 #73
We're not the ones who won't be voting in November corkhead Mar 2016 #200
She is ahead in popular votes and delegates obamanut2012 Mar 2016 #84
it will be a lose greymouse Mar 2016 #101
Have you been readin' those pesky polls again? Plucketeer Mar 2016 #106
The voters put in the fix SCantiGOP Mar 2016 #108
Yup! Plucketeer Mar 2016 #129
And when the delegrates see that Hillary can't possibly win without carrying blue States Lorien Mar 2016 #207
It doesn't work that way hack89 Mar 2016 #222
They can.....and nancy p. is starting the movement hack. Pauldg47 Mar 2016 #223
Not pledged delegates hack89 Mar 2016 #224
Election day is still a long time from now..lots of time and many arguments...revolution may begin. Pauldg47 Mar 2016 #252
So the blue states will suddenly go red for Trump? okasha Mar 2016 #253
Super delegates will vote in the best interest of the party including down ballot races Gothmog Mar 2016 #257
Ummm.. There's a lot of Virginia that isn't anywhere near DC onenote Mar 2016 #56
ok timmymoff Mar 2016 #61
There seems to be less indication of PUMAs from the Clinton side than the Sanders side onenote Mar 2016 #63
yes timmymoff Mar 2016 #67
It seems exactly like 2008 bbrady42 Mar 2016 #109
No, you see he is badly behind, which means he Hortensis Mar 2016 #92
Post removed Post removed Mar 2016 #154
You realize you are counting Superdelegates, right? Which can change and are not counted until magical thyme Mar 2016 #165
True dat! nt thereismore Mar 2016 #8
Wait, there are states voting this weekend? FailureToCommunicate Mar 2016 #58
Louisiana ... BlueMTexpat Mar 2016 #111
... FailureToCommunicate Mar 2016 #133
I know. Nyan Mar 2016 #142
MSNBC is showing "Louisiana polls open" but no mention lostnfound Mar 2016 #241
exactly. liberal_at_heart Mar 2016 #249
Keep telling yourself that certain states don't count if it makes you feel better Cali_Democrat Mar 2016 #4
Then in the general election, she'll discover the truth about those states that "don't count". Gregorian Mar 2016 #7
The primary calendar does not bend strongly in Sanders' favor until March 22 through April 9. Attorney in Texas Mar 2016 #14
Pretty sure Hillary is favored, overwhelmingly in every contest after this weekend Godhumor Mar 2016 #27
It's hard to say how events and state-by-state results will play out between now and then. We'll see Attorney in Texas Mar 2016 #31
Which is why Kos and company are calling for him to drop out after March 15 alarimer Mar 2016 #77
Yep...at that point, unless the constant media "it's over" bleating works, the tables turn. Lizzie Poppet Mar 2016 #134
And then Gwhittey Mar 2016 #191
Not just the SoS nomination. hedda_foil Mar 2016 #220
THIS. kath Mar 2016 #119
I love the way that you cherry pick and cite some results of Predictwise but ignore others Gothmog Mar 2016 #258
It's not cherry picking - I'm expecting betting markets to accurately predict events occurring today Attorney in Texas Mar 2016 #263
Your cherry picking is amusing Gothmog Mar 2016 #273
^^this^^ Pharaoh Mar 2016 #74
And when Trump is being sworn in, what will you tell yourself to make yourself feel better? basselope Mar 2016 #17
I'll say too bad people were blinded and voted for more corporate takeover 2pooped2pop Mar 2016 #93
Bernie has no chance in the south Chelsea2032 Mar 2016 #33
A democratic candidate can not win the south in the General election. Maybe in 10 or 15 years. LiberalArkie Mar 2016 #89
Bill Chelsea2032 Mar 2016 #94
Is he running again Kittycat Mar 2016 #102
Ha! babylonsister Mar 2016 #185
Maybe if we had a 35-45 year old dynamic guy telling us he was going to bring us health care LiberalArkie Mar 2016 #121
Quick question GeoWilliam750 Mar 2016 #125
Jesse Ventura floppyboo Mar 2016 #250
yay she is winning the blue dog vote lol timmymoff Mar 2016 #44
Actually, conservatives are going for Bernie: Cali_Democrat Mar 2016 #47
Hmmm... retrowire Mar 2016 #53
there seems to be a demographic split in dem voting patterns 6chars Mar 2016 #230
Yet Hillary will win more delegates, putting him further behind. Nt hack89 Mar 2016 #5
Unlikely LA will offset the other three states unc70 Mar 2016 #12
LA has 58 delegates and Bernie is polling below the 15% threshold hack89 Mar 2016 #19
Hardly surprising in that state. Lizzie Poppet Mar 2016 #135
You think Kansas and Nebraska will be won by the Democratic nominee? Garrett78 Mar 2016 #238
LA is 32% AA... reACTIONary Mar 2016 #265
Nope. That's not what I said (or implied). Lizzie Poppet Mar 2016 #266
Well, that's a relief. Hope you .... reACTIONary Mar 2016 #268
"Again" requires doing something a first time. Lizzie Poppet Mar 2016 #272
The other three combined are only 83 Godhumor Mar 2016 #29
That's just wrong, and everyone knows it. But most Hill supporters look the other way... reformist2 Mar 2016 #45
Why is it wrong? hack89 Mar 2016 #57
I really doubt he gets below 15% TheFarseer Mar 2016 #228
Please enlighten us on the math n/t Godhumor Mar 2016 #132
Wrong, as in bad. reformist2 Mar 2016 #148
Isn't it great how that works? :-D NurseJackie Mar 2016 #137
Those working on the campaign - stay ALERT. 840high Mar 2016 #9
Didn't we just have a bucketload of posts about how states like these don't count? Blue_Adept Mar 2016 #10
but the sanders crowd keeps telling us red states are meaningless lol nt msongs Mar 2016 #11
No states are meaningless. Clinton's performance in the less progressive states has meaning just as Attorney in Texas Mar 2016 #18
It was only a month ago that Caucuses were "undemocratic"... brooklynite Mar 2016 #13
They are. But they are what we are stuck with at the moment. I'm caucusing on Sunday magical thyme Mar 2016 #168
Bless you and Thank you! nt. druidity33 Mar 2016 #196
Go, Bernie GO!! AzDar Mar 2016 #15
And, then, there's Michigan. MineralMan Mar 2016 #16
And then there is NY and California. basselope Mar 2016 #20
Not this month, though. MineralMan Mar 2016 #22
Bernie is ahead in both ny and Cali... basselope Mar 2016 #55
Source, please? grossproffit Mar 2016 #68
Links were posted on DU yesterday basselope Mar 2016 #113
His momentum should carry him through by then....be prepared. Pauldg47 Mar 2016 #225
He is ahead in neither. What on earth makes you think he is? n/t Godhumor Mar 2016 #110
The most recent polls. basselope Mar 2016 #114
Which would be HRC +11 in CA and +21 in NY Godhumor Mar 2016 #120
old info basselope Mar 2016 #149
Feel free to link so we can all see that the three aggregation sites are wrong Godhumor Mar 2016 #150
It was posted in this forum yesterday with links. basselope Mar 2016 #158
So link it n/t Godhumor Mar 2016 #163
It was posted in this forum yesterday with links. basselope Mar 2016 #164
Uh huh. Strange. Godhumor Mar 2016 #167
Don't really care what YOU pick. basselope Mar 2016 #170
Clinton +11 CA, +21 NY. Those ARE the last polls Godhumor Mar 2016 #176
Incorrect on all counts. basselope Mar 2016 #181
For God's sake then, prove it Godhumor Mar 2016 #183
No need to prove reality. basselope Mar 2016 #188
I'm picking your second option too. If it was so pervasive in this forum, that person could have Number23 Mar 2016 #172
I even went to Overtime Politics, the wretched hive of scum and villainy Godhumor Mar 2016 #178
Sanders is ahead in neither state. What in the world?? Number23 Mar 2016 #145
He's leading in both. basselope Mar 2016 #161
Sanders is not ahead in California or New York. Do please get a grip. Number23 Mar 2016 #171
VERY old information. basselope Mar 2016 #173
My info is from February. You have not posted anything except "he's leading. I don't have a single Number23 Mar 2016 #174
Okay. basselope Mar 2016 #180
If you liked "facts" you would have posted them the first five times you were asked Number23 Mar 2016 #182
I think the poster is bored and just passing the time Godhumor Mar 2016 #184
I don't think it's fun, I think it's some weird type of desperate hope and denial Number23 Mar 2016 #189
This message was self-deleted by its author DUbeornot2be Mar 2016 #236
As late as you are to this thread and discussion, you'd think you'd be better able to read through Number23 Mar 2016 #275
I did post the facts. basselope Mar 2016 #187
And between Michigan and NY there's Idaho, Utah, Alaska, Hawaii, Washington, Wisconsin, Wyoming, etc Attorney in Texas Mar 2016 #23
Along with some other states, as well. MineralMan Mar 2016 #24
Yes, that's generally what "etc." means. Attorney in Texas Mar 2016 #25
Thanks for that link! nt. druidity33 Mar 2016 #198
Bernie ahead in most of those :) basselope Mar 2016 #115
Sanders looks to be favored in ALL of those by some metrics Attorney in Texas Mar 2016 #118
and then Florida, Illinois, Ohio - all big hitters DrDan Mar 2016 #30
Yes, those too. MineralMan Mar 2016 #32
and all leaning in the right direction DrDan Mar 2016 #34
Leaning in the FAR right direction Attorney in Texas Mar 2016 #37
exactly timmymoff Mar 2016 #49
downstate illinois here questionseverything Mar 2016 #254
Huge K & R !!! WillyT Mar 2016 #21
K & R! TIME TO PANIC Mar 2016 #28
Check out March 15 BainsBane Mar 2016 #35
Gotta take each week as it comes. After March 15 comes a GREAT stretch for Sanders and March 15 may Attorney in Texas Mar 2016 #38
What surprise? BainsBane Mar 2016 #69
Demographics is not destiny. You should not assume that all people within a demographic group vote Attorney in Texas Mar 2016 #70
"they are targeting caucus states because they think they do better with lower turnout." Number23 Mar 2016 #146
Even California will come too late to save Bernie. He'd have to win by a HUGE margin...but he won't. NurseJackie Mar 2016 #98
Expected! Doesn't count! Helen Borg Mar 2016 #39
So in other word the media will only cover and see as important Louisiana Cobalt Violet Mar 2016 #40
If we follow the logic of some Sanders supporters Nebraska, Kansas don't matter. iandhr Mar 2016 #42
I consider Nebraska to be a shade of purple PatrynXX Mar 2016 #50
If we follow the logic of Clinton, she was dodging a barrage of sniper fire in this photo: Attorney in Texas Mar 2016 #51
Notice how she bravely kept her cool! Herman4747 Mar 2016 #214
If i followed the logic of hillary supporters timmymoff Mar 2016 #52
Honey Badger don't care. nt tblue37 Mar 2016 #72
Nebraska would surprise me slightly PatrynXX Mar 2016 #46
Rec, but I think that the "Deep-Red-Republican South" meme blackspade Mar 2016 #48
"Deep-Red-Republican South" issue is cultural, NOT racial. Ask yourself: has Sanders won the white Attorney in Texas Mar 2016 #65
What about all the people who haven't even voted yet? alarimer Mar 2016 #80
Caucusing for Bernie in Kansas tomorrow! nt tblue37 Mar 2016 #62
Me too MuseRider Mar 2016 #97
I am in Lawrence. You? nt tblue37 Mar 2016 #155
Just South of Topeka. MuseRider Mar 2016 #226
So we're counting "states" now? I thought it was DELEGATES. Interesting. Go figure! NurseJackie Mar 2016 #66
You may be surprised to learn this, but neither polls nor betting markets are DELEGATE specific so Attorney in Texas Mar 2016 #78
Not quite as super Saturday? Erich Bloodaxe BSN Mar 2016 #75
Wow - I had no idea. Thanks for posting! jillan Mar 2016 #76
Damn, I thought those were poll numbers at first! xynthee Mar 2016 #79
This is why team Clinton is trying to hard to convince us to give up. arcane1 Mar 2016 #81
We will not give up. n/t Cleita Mar 2016 #86
keep fighting and dana_b Mar 2016 #131
Hillary and Trump sweep the South. Bernie has the Progressive vote locked down. sabrina 1 Mar 2016 #82
Thanks for posting ejbr Mar 2016 #83
Go, Bernie! silverweb Mar 2016 #88
Supporting Hillary in Maine. I sent in an absentee ballot. n/t Zing Zing Zingbah Mar 2016 #90
Glad you are getting a chance to exercise your franchise. Attorney in Texas Mar 2016 #140
85+% in Maine would be a good grab for Sanders SheenaR Mar 2016 #91
That would be pretty optimistic. I'd love to see it, but I'll be happy with a comfortable win. Attorney in Texas Mar 2016 #95
Definitely Optimistic SheenaR Mar 2016 #99
True. Attorney in Texas Mar 2016 #104
those weren't polls, but betting percentages. Polls have Bernie up about 15 points in Maine magical thyme Mar 2016 #162
Lol SheenaR Mar 2016 #213
W00T!!!! MissDeeds Mar 2016 #96
Thanks. I was about to put something like this together to keep track of Bernie's progress Cleita Mar 2016 #100
My husband and I will caucus for Bernie on Sunday in Maine! jopacaco Mar 2016 #103
Thank you! Attorney in Texas Mar 2016 #139
The Civil War is over, all states in the "Deep South" (i.e., "Dixie") were readmitted to the Union.. George II Mar 2016 #107
So we agree that the Dixie vote is not to be valued to the exclusion of the MAJORITY of votes cast Attorney in Texas Mar 2016 #112
"We agree that it is offensive for someone to declare victory based on the Dixie vote" George II Mar 2016 #141
They were never readmitted. They never left the Union in the first place. n/t Gore1FL Mar 2016 #235
"Dates of southern states readmitted to the U.S." George II Mar 2016 #244
They never left the Union. Gore1FL Mar 2016 #245
I'm keeping my mouth shut, then, til AFTER this weekend. Smarmie Doofus Mar 2016 #116
K&R! Duval Mar 2016 #122
Bill Clinton is going to be busy shutting down polling stations this weekend! nt valerief Mar 2016 #123
Wait until he hits the left coast states. Elmer S. E. Dump Mar 2016 #124
The race is for delegates, not states Progressive dog Mar 2016 #126
The reality is that Bernie needed Super Tuesday to be within 150 delegates to remain viable. He beat magical thyme Mar 2016 #166
I'm caucusing for Bernie in Kansas! Sky Masterson Mar 2016 #127
Thank you! Attorney in Texas Mar 2016 #130
Go Bernie! Go Bernie!! dana_b Mar 2016 #128
well Hillary's acolytes are still whistling Dixie azurnoir Mar 2016 #136
And Dixie won't help her in the least come November Lorien Mar 2016 #211
Good news for Bernie and all of us as progressives aaaaaa5a Mar 2016 #138
that's how i see it as well griffi94 Mar 2016 #151
... SidDithers Mar 2016 #143
Jury results. edbermac Mar 2016 #160
in short: Hillary is toast Helen Borg Mar 2016 #169
Only on "Sanders Underground". Beacool Mar 2016 #177
Hillary is predicted to win the following states. Beacool Mar 2016 #175
LA has more delegates and is more representative of the Dem electorate. Garrett78 Mar 2016 #186
LOL, it's not Republicans in the South who vote for Hillary. ucrdem Mar 2016 #190
Probably will inspire more donations, though the campaign's supporters have already been amazing Babel_17 Mar 2016 #194
My question is RoccoR5955 Mar 2016 #203
He leads in pretty much every State a Dem can win in a general election Lorien Mar 2016 #206
K & R! SoapBox Mar 2016 #221
The wife and I are caucusng for Bernie in NE tomorrow with a 2 year old. TheFarseer Mar 2016 #227
Winning states is nice but winning delegates is better and Bernie needs to win a delegate rich state LonePirate Mar 2016 #231
I hope he does! Turin_C3PO Mar 2016 #232
So what? MaggieD Mar 2016 #233
Bernie does well in caucus states ecstatic Mar 2016 #237
And SHOW UP at the polls, because Bernie can still win. PatrickforO Mar 2016 #239
Since you raised the issue of "Deep South" and "Dixie", I thought it might be useful..... George II Mar 2016 #246
The number of states don't matter. The number of delegates do. kstewart33 Mar 2016 #247
Go Bernie! nt TBF Mar 2016 #248
Number of delegates? 21st Century Poet Mar 2016 #255
Message auto-removed Name removed Mar 2016 #259
hmm? demwing Mar 2016 #260
k & r (nt) pat_k Mar 2016 #261
You do realize that... George II Mar 2016 #262
Bernie has the progressive, Independent, Feminist, gaining rapidly in the progressive minority sabrina 1 Mar 2016 #271
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