2016 Postmortem

Cal33

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100. "For once we have a candidate for The Rest of Us and

Mon Mar 14, 2016, 03:15 PM

Mar 2016

<< For ONCE we have a candidate for The Rest of Us and the party establishment does everything they can to discourage him.

The Democratic party has got to be aware of this trend. It appears they don't want to face it. Very backward thinking. >>

Orders from the Corporate Power people, perhaps? Bernie is out to cut down the Big Banks
to size, reform our present way of elections so that money will no longer play a role, have public universities charge no tuition fees ........ and so many other reforms that will reduce the
profits and power of the Corporate Power people. No way are they going to take it lying down.
They definitely are doing everything they can to get Bernie out.

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Just a reminder that Democrats overwhelmingly support Hillary [View all] bigtree Mar 2016 OP

Then thank the goddess for the Independents! peacebird Mar 2016 #1

Actually some of us are underwhelmed. oldandhappy Mar 2016 #2

ageed. incredibly underwhelmed and frankly, who trusts polls and pundits anymore roguevalley Mar 2016 #88

Lots of us are underwhelmed... kristopher Mar 2016 #121

if only we could rig the general election so that only Democrats got to vote she do fine. Vote2016 Mar 2016 #3

Ah, but it is very much already rigged! marew Mar 2016 #64

Was this poll taken before or after she praised Nancy? Betty Karlson Mar 2016 #4

Just a reminder: To Win in November, We'll need the support... Herman4747 Mar 2016 #5

That's what you said about Michigan GreatGazoo Mar 2016 #6

Dems can't win w/o independent's votes. HooptieWagon Mar 2016 #7

that's what we need bigtree Mar 2016 #11

More like a hostage rescue mission. HooptieWagon Mar 2016 #16

^^^ marions ghost Mar 2016 #17

party rescue by independents who will mostly vote republican in the general? bigtree Mar 2016 #23

What makes you think Independents will vote R? HooptieWagon Mar 2016 #25

All they do is pull nonsense from their asses and pretend it's true. Just like Hillary n/t arcane1 Mar 2016 #54

I consider myself an independent because I am too far to the LEFT Svafa Mar 2016 #32

most polls split the affiliation of indies down the middle between parties bigtree Mar 2016 #66

Proof? HooptieWagon Mar 2016 #73

Gallup bigtree Mar 2016 #79

That doesn't prove R-leaning Independents are voting in Dem primary. HooptieWagon Mar 2016 #81

well, you don't disprove it either bigtree Mar 2016 #87

logic and experience are fibbing then Pat Riots Mar 2016 #105

If those polls are correct, it means that HALF of a very large Svafa Mar 2016 #76

They're just making shit up. HooptieWagon Mar 2016 #82

Is this a classic case of projection? Gwhittey Mar 2016 #99

Same here. Fawke Em Mar 2016 #101

If they do what difference will it make who the Dem candidate is? beedle Mar 2016 #114

+1000000000 UglyGreed Mar 2016 #58

Democrats can't lose calguy Mar 2016 #35

Don't bet the farm on it. HooptieWagon Mar 2016 #47

Just a reminder that a coronation has not taken place Kelvin Mace Mar 2016 #8

some states regard them as spoilers in our Democratic primary bigtree Mar 2016 #13

In my state 40% of voters are Indys marions ghost Mar 2016 #19

the problem for your candidate bigtree Mar 2016 #27

That's why I support open primaries marions ghost Mar 2016 #62

They would give a damn if Dems quit pandering to the Right Kelvin Mace Mar 2016 #90

"our" Democratic primary Armstead Mar 2016 #30

So you're not that big on the democratic process I take it... R. Daneel Olivaw Mar 2016 #42

Dem establishment represents the 1%... HooptieWagon Mar 2016 #52

Dump em all. My hope is that Bernie wins so R. Daneel Olivaw Mar 2016 #59

Some will return to the GOP from where they came. HooptieWagon Mar 2016 #69

The present GOP will reject them outright. R. Daneel Olivaw Mar 2016 #74

I think we'll soon see a realignment... HooptieWagon Mar 2016 #77

They can go start a "3rd way party" Kelvin Mace Mar 2016 #92

This is why we keep losing in the mid terms Kelvin Mace Mar 2016 #91

Sadly true. R. Daneel Olivaw Mar 2016 #109

That's not very Democratic. dchill Mar 2016 #49

If the Dems consider them spoilers Kelvin Mace Mar 2016 #89

I am curious about the last column, Jackie Wilson Said Mar 2016 #9

Which is different than "liberals/progressives" overwhelmingly support. gcomeau Mar 2016 #10

Well, great! Then - why the need to demand loyalty oaths, disparage Bernie, and djean111 Mar 2016 #12

sit back an relax bigtree Mar 2016 #14

"independents hijack our party's primary"...... marions ghost Mar 2016 #21

I don't welcome spoilers of any stripe bigtree Mar 2016 #28

You dont want Independents marions ghost Mar 2016 #33

What a short-sighted person you appear to be. R. Daneel Olivaw Mar 2016 #46

I am relaxed, really. My family voted for Bernie a few days ago. djean111 Mar 2016 #22

"We, as Democrats right now, should tap into the discontent of Republicans. I want some Obama Bluenorthwest Mar 2016 #29

One question for you. gcomeau Mar 2016 #48

I view the Democratic party as a coalition; a vehicle for advancing progressive ideals bigtree Mar 2016 #97

Ahem... gcomeau Mar 2016 #107

look at the southern states bigtree Mar 2016 #149

Try actually reading my post. gcomeau Mar 2016 #150

those states suit your narrative bigtree Mar 2016 #152

Yes, they do actually. gcomeau Mar 2016 #154

Do deeply consider the following proposition Herman4747 Mar 2016 #57

The hijacking happened years ago timmymoff Mar 2016 #155

Independents make up the plurality of voters. basselope Mar 2016 #15

You can NOT win with only Dem support pinebox Mar 2016 #18

Indys are aware the GOP will install 3 Scalia clones on SCOTUS. oasis Mar 2016 #93

Barack Obama, Feb 2008: ""We are bringing together Democrats and independents, and yes, some Bluenorthwest Mar 2016 #20

Why remind us that the majority of Americans are not too bright, and vote against their best 2banon Mar 2016 #24

Thank you for pointing out another Clinton vulnerability. Carlo Marx Mar 2016 #26

Cheney, Bush and Kissinger love her Ichingcarpenter Mar 2016 #36

most Democrats support both Bernie and Clinton bigtree Mar 2016 #38

So if Sanders somehow wins the Dem nomination, it will be because of non-Democratic voters... DCBob Mar 2016 #31

No it doesn't. Kentonio Mar 2016 #39

They should join the Democratic party if they want to help pick the Democratic nominee. DCBob Mar 2016 #56

Because it's a two party system Kentonio Mar 2016 #70

It would be better to be inside fighting for changes than on the outside throwing rocks. DCBob Mar 2016 #84

Why? How exactly has that worked out for progressives so far? Kentonio Mar 2016 #98

The more progressives on the inside the more likely progressive things will get pushed. DCBob Mar 2016 #104

Huh? "Terribly wrong"--what a weird thing to say marions ghost Mar 2016 #41

Of course I have no problem with non-D's voting for us in November.. we want them all. DCBob Mar 2016 #51

Seems not right to marions ghost Mar 2016 #60

Well I disagree. DCBob Mar 2016 #63

Defection doesn't have as much impact as people like to think marions ghost Mar 2016 #68

Well on that day, Warren DeMontague Mar 2016 #130

Joker. DCBob Mar 2016 #133

Right, and what do I win if we nominate the uninspiring "inevitable" candidate being foisted on us Warren DeMontague Mar 2016 #138

Hillary Clinton may be the most qualified and knowledgeable candidate to ever to run for President. DCBob Mar 2016 #144

Another line someone made up because it sounds good, but is totally meaningless. Warren DeMontague Mar 2016 #146

Perhaps there are others in our long history who were somewhat more qualified. DCBob Mar 2016 #147

I'm familiar with her resume, thanks. Warren DeMontague Mar 2016 #148

Just a reminder, Independents win general elections, Cassiopeia Mar 2016 #34

We should also take into consideration that large numbers of Democrats have Cal33 Mar 2016 #37

The more this goes on the more I tire of party politics marions ghost Mar 2016 #50

Exactly. HooptieWagon Mar 2016 #65

They need to wake up quick marions ghost Mar 2016 #83

Outstanding comment. Recent social saltpoint Mar 2016 #151

I imagine they're pretty stunned marions ghost Mar 2016 #158

Agree, marions ghost. Especially that saltpoint Mar 2016 #159

with ya marions ghost Mar 2016 #160

Roger that, mg. eom saltpoint Mar 2016 #161

I agree with you. My hope is that Bernie Sanders, among other things, will help Cal33 Mar 2016 #78

There is a rough road ahead for everyone marions ghost Mar 2016 #86

"For once we have a candidate for The Rest of Us and Cal33 Mar 2016 #100

Oh I can see they are doing that marions ghost Mar 2016 #142

So, you favor closed primaries? Funtatlaguy Mar 2016 #40

Which is fine and good during the primaries but during the GE it is much more important to have jillan Mar 2016 #43

And the rest of the country likes Bernie (by your numbers) Kip Humphrey Mar 2016 #44

Which is all good and fine coyote Mar 2016 #45

Yes they do and thanks for the reminder riversedge Mar 2016 #53

Interesting statistic, and it shows what sadoldgirl Mar 2016 #55

Okay, I get it Uponthegears Mar 2016 #61

It's just more of the usual. ladyVet Mar 2016 #110

"Go sportsball team and/or local college!" Lizzie Poppet Mar 2016 #67

Just a reminder: That was also true in the 2008 primary lol nt TheDormouse Mar 2016 #71

Democrats are only 30% of the nation. Csainvestor Mar 2016 #72

THIS Is MY REASON For Not Being A Supporter Of Closed ChiciB1 Mar 2016 #75

K & R Surya Gayatri Mar 2016 #80

That statistic reflects poorly on the Democratic Party, not Bernie. ladjf Mar 2016 #85

Sanders is ahead in Ohio, Missouri, and Illinois. Major Hogwash Mar 2016 #94

he'll split delegates in those states bigtree Mar 2016 #95

BINGO! Firebrand Gary Mar 2016 #106

Hillary wins the racist vote! Yay. ladyVet Mar 2016 #113

That is very clear. As do most of the voting left. nt. NCTraveler Mar 2016 #96

! Phlem Mar 2016 #102

I didn't realize only Democrats voted in the general. I learn something every day. greymouse Mar 2016 #103

We should not have open primaries cosmicone Mar 2016 #108

LOL next they should UglyGreed Mar 2016 #112

Democratic party is a private organization cosmicone Mar 2016 #118

Make it 100% next UglyGreed Mar 2016 #123

It is our party -- we shouldn't leave it open to be hijacked. n/t cosmicone Mar 2016 #124

Big tent indeed UglyGreed Mar 2016 #129

No one stops them from joining the party. n/t cosmicone Mar 2016 #132

Problem is UglyGreed Mar 2016 #134

Meh ... lot of third parties have been tried cosmicone Mar 2016 #135

Meh no that is not the reason UglyGreed Mar 2016 #136

No... gcomeau Mar 2016 #116

We can win the independents in GE cosmicone Mar 2016 #119

You can win SOME independents in GE. gcomeau Mar 2016 #128

I've seen several analyses in the international press that there are many groups that Number23 Mar 2016 #111

Precisely. Thank you. n/t cosmicone Mar 2016 #125

I think geography is going to become more important as time goes on. Warren DeMontague Mar 2016 #140

"Simply put, Clinton is the choice of her party — its voters and its leaders" Number23 Mar 2016 #115

^^^ THIS ^^^^ n/t cosmicone Mar 2016 #126

"The choice of a new generation"™ Warren DeMontague Mar 2016 #139

Don't forget that several southern states that Clinton won by wide margins were also open. CalvinballPro Mar 2016 #156

I think the discussion on open vs closed primaries is one that is desperately needed Number23 Mar 2016 #162

what do you propose? beedle Mar 2016 #117

K&R mcar Mar 2016 #120

I'm not overwhelmed at all. FEEL THE BERN! hobbit709 Mar 2016 #122

Apparently not as overwhelmingly as they were supposed to. Warren DeMontague Mar 2016 #127

How's she polling with true scotsmen? Warren DeMontague Mar 2016 #131

but Democrats don't win elections without independents (n/t) Spider Jerusalem Mar 2016 #137

So, Democrats are about 30 something percent of voters, Republicans a bit less panader0 Mar 2016 #141

Who decided that "efff you" was a good campaign strategy? Warren DeMontague Mar 2016 #143

The GOP's Great Hope: the Independents....GOP: "Bring us the one they call Bernie" Recoverin_Republican Mar 2016 #145

Do you think Independents are all Republicans? noretreatnosurrender Mar 2016 #153

Haven't met a single one. cherokeeprogressive Mar 2016 #157