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2016 Postmortem

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amborin

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Sat Mar 19, 2016, 11:20 AM Mar 2016

US Uncut: Only Bernie Can Win GE and "Don't ask Bernie Supporters to Go Against Their Core Values" [View all]

Hillary Clinton Is Not Entitled to the Votes of Bernie Sanders Supporters

Tom Cahill | March 19, 2016


Hillary Clinton and her supporters would like to assume that if the former Secretary of State does end up with the Democratic nomination, Bernie Sanders’ base will fall in line and vote for Clinton to stop Trump. But they are wrong.

First off, it’s important to shut down the myth of Clinton’s inevitability as the eventual general election opponent to Donald Trump. The Democratic presidential primary is only halfway over, and Bernie Sanders has 42 percent of the pledged delegates thus far.

Even the New York Time
s — which has publicly endorsed Clinton’s campaign and whose public editor called out the paper for showing an obvious pro-Clinton bias in a recent stealth editing job — admits Sanders can still end up as the nominee, and they laid out a path for how he could do it. Writing off Sanders’ chances now and telling his supporters that they have no choice but to unite behind Clinton is premature.

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In fact, between 2004 and 2014, the percentage of young voters who identified as independent rather than Democrat jumped from 38 percent to 50 percent. And in all of the states Bernie Sanders has won, and even the states he’s lost by considerable margins, like Virginia and Tennessee, he’s still managed to capture a wide majority of independents and voters under the age of 35. It’s unrealistic to expect these largely independent voters to switch to the Democratic Party and vote for an elite member of the Democratic establishment.

And, let’s be honest — the entire reason so many Bernie Sanders supporters are so ardently anti-Hillary Clinton might be because of her refusal to strongly oppose the corrupt campaign finance system Bernie rages against.

Clinton’s top campaign donors include criminal Wall Street banks like Citibank and Goldman Sachs, and corporate-owned media companies like Time Warner and 21st Century Fox.

While Sanders is raising millions of $27 donations from the grassroots, Clinton raised money from Wall Street on at least 31 different occasions between the start of her campaign and the end of February.


Asking the supporters of the anti-Wall Street candidate who rejects Super PACs to suddenly back a pro-Wall Street candidate who embraces the Super PAC system would be asking them to betray their core values.

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Hillary Clinton is unable to bring in new blood to the Democratic Party like Bernie Sanders has done.
In the last 11 primary contests, 7 states have gone to Clinton and 4 have gone to Sanders. As the below table shows, turnout for all of the states Clinton won is down significantly from 2008, the last time there was a contested Democratic presidential primary. Yet in three of the last four states Bernie Sanders won, turnout was up by as much as 49 percent:




The numbers speak for themselves: The Democratic Party is in for a shellacking if they end up nominating Hillary Clinton
. Bernie Sanders has proven himself to be the one candidate capable of uniting the Democratic Party in his ability to bring in fresh faces, his consistently higher numbers when pitted against Republicans in hypothetical general election matchups, and a message that resonates with future generations.

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They're turning out for Trump. Dem turnout is way down and that's a problem. ucrdem Mar 2016 #1
total projection; HRC ran false ads for days before the MI primary that lied about Bernie nt amborin Mar 2016 #3
re: "vicious negative ads and driving Dem turnout down" thesquanderer Mar 2016 #4
The chart is misleading. ucrdem Mar 2016 #11
You are being misleading samson212 Mar 2016 #22
Correct about the ad. And in fact, it actually never even mentions (or shows) Clinton. thesquanderer Mar 2016 #45
Here's some real numbers for you. Fawke Em Mar 2016 #51
re: "And for sheer negativity I don't think Clinton's ad holds a candle to Bernie's" thesquanderer Mar 2016 #48
You can't compare the 2008 Michigan Primary to the 2016 primary Trenzalore Mar 2016 #30
Thanks for the reminder. Michigan and Florida were special cases in 2008. (n/t) thesquanderer Mar 2016 #46
Actually, it is irrelevant. tritsofme Mar 2016 #34
Recommended. H2O Man Mar 2016 #2
Except Clinton has the most votes of all candidates in both primaries so far. CalvinballPro Mar 2016 #5
Excellent point. Hillary has won more primaries, comradebillyboy Mar 2016 #21
I'm not understanding this argument Trenzalore Mar 2016 #32
As Republicans leave the primary, that number won't hold. Fawke Em Mar 2016 #52
I could care less what Millennial think, because they don't vote. CalvinballPro Mar 2016 #54
The irrationality of this logic is phenomenal brooklynite Mar 2016 #6
It's typical bully behavior. Disparge the Left and then try to intimidate them into rhett o rick Mar 2016 #7
Pointing out logical flaws is disparaging the Left. Good to know. brooklynite Mar 2016 #8
You guys disparage the Left everyday because we don't bow before the god of Wealth. rhett o rick Mar 2016 #10
Keep telling yourself that nobody has a good reason to vote for Clinton... brooklynite Mar 2016 #12
This is what Black Lives Matter said about Clinton rhett o rick Mar 2016 #15
The Left is hated because we will not knuckle under to the tough authoritarian leadership rhett o rick Mar 2016 #38
Exactly. Insult those that don't vote Sanders them threaten them not voting Clinton leaving us with seabeyond Mar 2016 #9
You have a choice. Support the wealthy or support the working class and poor. rhett o rick Mar 2016 #13
You are wrong. Sanders is not there for the poor. Clinton is the one for the less advantage. seabeyond Mar 2016 #14
Clinton is too busy having tea with the super duper wealthy and counting her recently amassed wealth rhett o rick Mar 2016 #16
Ah, now we are just being petty. seabeyond Mar 2016 #17
Message auto-removed Name removed Mar 2016 #24
People are literally dying from poverty and poor health and you consider it petty. When Goldman- rhett o rick Mar 2016 #39
What, exactly, has Hillary "gotten done?" mindwalker_i Mar 2016 #20
Here would be a few. seabeyond Mar 2016 #23
What's the point in breaking a glass ceiling when most of Walmart's employees remain poor? Fawke Em Mar 2016 #53
As the people in Sierra Blanca very well know lunamagica Mar 2016 #66
Tell that to the people of Sierra Blanca. How much SBS cares for them. They will laugh in your face lunamagica Mar 2016 #65
How is that bullying Trenzalore Mar 2016 #35
The young people are coming out because they don't depend on the Corp-Media. rhett o rick Mar 2016 #44
Knock it off. Stop with the persecution complex. hrmjustin Mar 2016 #50
I am sorry if my contempt shows for those that root for the Clintons to amass more and more millions rhett o rick Mar 2016 #68
I don't have a pot to piss in and you are telling me that I side with the rich. hrmjustin Mar 2016 #69
It's very simple. The Progressive are now and have always supported helping those that rhett o rick Mar 2016 #70
Yeah I secretly control the corporations. hrmjustin Mar 2016 #71
LINK? Ferd Berfel Mar 2016 #18
If the party establishment wants our support... dreamnightwind Mar 2016 #19
K & R AzDar Mar 2016 #25
Why do people fall for the false premises from articles like this? LonePirate Mar 2016 #26
I won't vote for Trump Autumn Colors Mar 2016 #29
So, you're willing to let the Repubs win because of your ideals? LonePirate Mar 2016 #31
I'm voting my ideals, yes.... Autumn Colors Mar 2016 #36
You are dead wrong if you think the Dem nominee won't have won a majority of pledged delegates. LonePirate Mar 2016 #40
Sure, whatever ... Autumn Colors Mar 2016 #42
+1 dana_b Mar 2016 #62
Nominating her timmymoff Mar 2016 #58
exactly. Well said. n/t dana_b Mar 2016 #63
Bernie has worked hard for his supporters, Faux pas Mar 2016 #27
Too bad Bernie would be chewed up and spit out beachbumbob Mar 2016 #28
Bernie can't convince a majority of democrats to vote for him Trenzalore Mar 2016 #33
Hope Hillary doesn't need our votes Autumn Colors Mar 2016 #37
I understand the childish threats Trenzalore Mar 2016 #41
For the umpteenth time, Bernie supporters aren't "sitting out." Fawke Em Mar 2016 #57
Because a majority of Dems have always dana_b Mar 2016 #64
Agreed. Bernie and Hillary are nothing alike. Waiting For Everyman Mar 2016 #43
I'm With You But One Question... corbettkroehler Mar 2016 #47
Concise and to the point. Fawke Em Mar 2016 #49
Bernie Is The Only Antidote To Rampant DNC DWS DLC HRC Third-Way Corporatist Corruption cantbeserious Mar 2016 #55
Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Mar 2016 #56
Where is the link? wildeyed Mar 2016 #59
Very important FACTS. Maybe they'll help counter the deception and lies from the MSM pdsimdars Mar 2016 #60
Well, this convinced me. Fellow Hillary supporters, we must switch support to Bernie. Even though Metric System Mar 2016 #61
K & R Jenny_92808 Mar 2016 #67
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