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RiverLover

(7,830 posts)
138. Exactly.
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 04:36 PM
Mar 2016

Enabling Democrats to be Dems in Name Only because we have no where else to go with our vote is only bringing US the same thing. Corporations running things through 2 corporate parties & no representation for citizens' best interests. Only Moneyed Interests.

Time to stop playing along.

We need that CHANGE Obama talked about. He woke US up. That's all he delivered on, but at least there is that.

Hillary. Possibly 8 years of her conservatism wrapped in triangulation & then followed by a repub after that is a future that is very bleak & just not acceptable.

Recommended. H2O Man Mar 2016 #1
welcome! pinebox Mar 2016 #2
What is surprising about this 3rd party trying to lure Dems to vote for them pnwmom Mar 2016 #166
It doesn't help Trump or Cruz pinebox Mar 2016 #236
What is insane is denying simple arithmetic, and denying the fact pnwmom Mar 2016 #246
What is insane is denying there's people who Hillary doesn't represent pinebox Mar 2016 #248
There are even more people whom Bernie doesn't represent, especially among pnwmom Mar 2016 #250
I would disagree pinebox Mar 2016 #253
Bernie doesn't do nearly as well as Hillary with women. pnwmom Mar 2016 #254
Message auto-removed Name removed Mar 2016 #235
One of the two will get my vote in November. Tierra_y_Libertad Mar 2016 #3
A Sanders/Stein ticket pinebox Mar 2016 #5
Why didn't I think of that? corbettkroehler Mar 2016 #131
If Stein is willing to concede that, she'd be an instant stateswoman. Betty Karlson Mar 2016 #157
I suppose losing all 50 States would be an interesting development... brooklynite Mar 2016 #172
he would not EVER do that but I'd support him if he did Vote2016 Mar 2016 #219
Well, change, anyway NastyRiffraff Mar 2016 #266
agreed LA Green Mar 2016 #179
yup, me too.... mike_c Mar 2016 #180
So the GOP it seems can count on you cancelling out a Democratic ticket vote... Jackie Wilson Said Mar 2016 #227
No. It can count on me not voting Republican. Tierra_y_Libertad Mar 2016 #233
Jill will have my vote if Bernie falls short NWCorona Mar 2016 #4
she's great but I hope we don't have to consider that option. Vote2016 Mar 2016 #218
Agreed! NWCorona Mar 2016 #223
Seconded. VulgarPoet Mar 2016 #290
Any path to the White House that balances against the Democratic Party's thumb on the scale GoneFishin Mar 2016 #6
It's certainly refreshing pinebox Mar 2016 #20
You survived blackspade Mar 2016 #173
Thanks for the heads up. GoneFishin Mar 2016 #220
If Hillary is our nominee I have a choice to make. SamKnause Mar 2016 #7
This appears to be the way to go if you want America to work for *all* Americans... TheProgressive Mar 2016 #57
Only if you're willing to watch President Trump or President Cruz being elected pnwmom Mar 2016 #167
Imagine if you will LA Green Mar 2016 #181
Are you aware of the absolute requirement for 270 Electoral votes? pnwmom Mar 2016 #186
That's some serious LA Green Mar 2016 #232
No, it's really just basic math. The more votes that get drained from the Dems pnwmom Mar 2016 #247
Well then liberalnarb Mar 2016 #163
i live in a blue state dragonfly301 Mar 2016 #231
two problems sabbat hunter Mar 2016 #302
“The Democratic Party is democratic in name only – superdelegates anyone?” Stein tweeted earlier in workinclasszero Mar 2016 #8
But what do YOU think about the superdelegates? reformist2 Mar 2016 #31
They will support who the majority of democratic voters picks as the candidate workinclasszero Mar 2016 #37
Superdelegates need to end CobaltBlue Mar 2016 #115
They are there to avoid what's happening with the repugs brush Mar 2016 #152
Hello, brush! CobaltBlue Mar 2016 #170
Research it. It was done so what's happening now with the repugs and Trump . . . brush Mar 2016 #185
Silly brush CobaltBlue Mar 2016 #287
Take it up with the Party. I didn't institute it. It is what it is until changed. brush Mar 2016 #288
Hmm CobaltBlue Mar 2016 #289
Hillary OWENS the superdelegates? Armstead Mar 2016 #35
Maybe the ones we don't need to worry about. nt artislife Mar 2016 #76
What exactly does she mean by collaboration? drm604 Mar 2016 #9
I think what she means pinebox Mar 2016 #21
I doubt that it would be a disaster in the GE. drm604 Mar 2016 #32
I don't think she means a third party ticket pinebox Mar 2016 #36
You mean if Bernie wins the nomination? drm604 Mar 2016 #46
I don't know pinebox Mar 2016 #47
That is exactly what I thought when I read this Samantha Mar 2016 #64
I think she is thinking of asking him to be VP if he doesn't make the nomination. nt artislife Mar 2016 #79
You've got to be kidding! If Sanders ran third party, Clinton would lose. BillZBubb Mar 2016 #80
She is running to support Trump, any vote cast for her is a vote for Trump. tritsofme Mar 2016 #10
Horseshit. Tierra_y_Libertad Mar 2016 #19
Whatever you need to tell yourself to sleep at night. Pretty disgusting that you would consider tritsofme Mar 2016 #22
Pretty disgusting pinebox Mar 2016 #25
Anyone who casts an effective ballot for Trump surely has no integrity. tritsofme Mar 2016 #50
Sure because supporting a candidate pinebox Mar 2016 #94
Sounds like you could use a better class of friends Fairgo Mar 2016 #133
Do tell how Trump gains a vote if I vote for Jill Stein. Tierra_y_Libertad Mar 2016 #27
If you voted against Obama, it sounds like you have larger problems. tritsofme Mar 2016 #38
0 - 0 = 0 Tierra_y_Libertad Mar 2016 #60
You're right, and you're helping me see Qutzupalotl Mar 2016 #275
.... Tierra_y_Libertad Mar 2016 #278
Bogie man. artislife Mar 2016 #84
So funny! Jill's policies are the same policies the majority of Americans endorse, like Bernie's Dont call me Shirley Mar 2016 #137
She also has a great point about our military bases around the world guarding oil or its transport RiverLover Mar 2016 #208
Absolutely As renewable energy takes center stage the war industry must be able to fit in a bathtub Dont call me Shirley Mar 2016 #242
The sea lanes of communication bring that computer you are typing on, MADem Mar 2016 #249
Says it all doesn't it CorkySt.Clair Mar 2016 #255
But Obama lost a vote, which is effectively yhe same thing. Adrahil Mar 2016 #122
Only if you assume that I would have voted for Obama. Tierra_y_Libertad Mar 2016 #126
It's still true. Adrahil Mar 2016 #132
I am supporting a Democratic candidate. Tierra_y_Libertad Mar 2016 #134
if you didn't vote for the dem in 2012 and won't in 2016 . . . brush Mar 2016 #154
Lol. McCain?? Hahahaha liberalnarb Mar 2016 #164
You voted against Obama. liberalnarb Mar 2016 #165
Because you voted for Jill, McCain closed the gap with Obama by one vote. pnwmom Mar 2016 #187
Why are you on DU if you allegiance is "Green"? pkdu Mar 2016 #202
Post removed Post removed Mar 2016 #210
I'm whatever I say I am. And, I owe no allegience to any party. Tierra_y_Libertad Mar 2016 #216
If someone votes for Jill Stein instead of Hillary Clinton, I won't cast aspersions. reformist2 Mar 2016 #43
So you have no problem if an effective ballot is cast for Trump through Stein... tritsofme Mar 2016 #52
There's no such thing as "effective" votes. A vote for Jill Stein is a vote for Jill Stein, and no reformist2 Mar 2016 #68
Had Nader not been on the ballot, the split of his 100k voters between Gore/Bush/Not voting tritsofme Mar 2016 #70
Wrong again Kittycat Mar 2016 #182
Elections have consequences. That's also how a democracy works. kcr Mar 2016 #191
That's right, elections have consequences. Kittycat Mar 2016 #192
I think worrying too much about what party leaders think is the problem kcr Mar 2016 #193
How, exactly, am I wrong? tritsofme Mar 2016 #229
Message auto-removed Name removed Mar 2016 #69
0 votes for your own preferred candidate does not equal a vote for Trump revbones Mar 2016 #130
To the Party, VulgarPoet Mar 2016 #291
pretty disgusting for you to get in peple's faces and browbeat them. DisgustipatedinCA Mar 2016 #209
Not sure there is much else to say. tritsofme Mar 2016 #225
That is just an idiotic assertion and I hope you'll think about it before repeating it. revbones Mar 2016 #292
It is a fact, sorry it bothers you. Voting third party could enable a Trump victory tritsofme Mar 2016 #294
By that inane logic revbones Mar 2016 #296
Ralph Nadar Says.... MannyG Mar 2016 #40
Exactly. artislife Mar 2016 #81
You are both wrong. liberalnarb Mar 2016 #169
/facepalm pinebox Mar 2016 #23
A vote for the Greens is a vote for Trump. It's how a two party system works. tritsofme Mar 2016 #30
No you don't make sense pinebox Mar 2016 #39
No, you apparently don't understand how our system works. tritsofme Mar 2016 #49
Conclusion: If the Democratic party wants the votes of the Left it should run Leftist candidates. Tierra_y_Libertad Mar 2016 #61
And if you don't approve of the candidate chosen through the Democratic nominating process tritsofme Mar 2016 #72
No. I will vote for a Leftist candidate rather than a Repubican. Tierra_y_Libertad Mar 2016 #77
No, Stein has no chance of victory. The most significance she can achieve is to be a spoiler. tritsofme Mar 2016 #86
Opinions differ. Tierra_y_Libertad Mar 2016 #89
Cute rhetoric, but this is not an opinions differ sort of thing. tritsofme Mar 2016 #97
Then the other candidates should appeal to them for their votes. Tierra_y_Libertad Mar 2016 #102
I don't disagree. But voters should realize the strategic consequences of their votes. tritsofme Mar 2016 #108
I will be voting strategically. Tierra_y_Libertad Mar 2016 #112
As long as you don't consider the possibility of enabling Trump a consequence tritsofme Mar 2016 #118
There are no facts, only interpretations. Friedrich Nietzsche Tierra_y_Libertad Mar 2016 #120
They do serve a purpose Bjornsdotter Mar 2016 #119
No you don't understand how the system works pinebox Mar 2016 #96
I have no idea, don't particularly care. Local political success and local political systems tritsofme Mar 2016 #100
I disagree with your logic. Beowulf Mar 2016 #136
Exactly eggman67 Mar 2016 #303
You are forgetting LA Green Mar 2016 #183
no, it would be a vote FOR the Green party candidate dana_b Mar 2016 #58
Correct. Voting Green splits the left vote, helping the right. liberalnarb Mar 2016 #171
It's interesting in seeing who thinks that heavy handed intimidation works. You might fall for it rhett o rick Mar 2016 #67
OMG ... FEAR, FEAR, FEAR, FEAR!!!!!!!!!!!!! Autumn Colors Mar 2016 #71
Truth truth truth. Supporting a third party is a vote to enable Trump. tritsofme Mar 2016 #73
Utter bullshit. The truth is, you don't know what you are talking about. BillZBubb Mar 2016 #85
Then please explain otherwise. Thanks. tritsofme Mar 2016 #91
I take back my original offer Fairgo Mar 2016 #135
Many of us don't believe in your "undeniable truth" about voting. reformist2 Mar 2016 #106
In our presidential system, a left third party can at best only hope to serve as a spoiler. tritsofme Mar 2016 #113
instant ignore. liberal_at_heart Mar 2016 #87
Likewise XD Good route to go with that poster pinebox Mar 2016 #98
That's the most backwards bullshit I've ever read. desmiller Mar 2016 #125
This message was self-deleted by its author PonyUp Mar 2016 #146
How is this even allowed here? grossproffit Mar 2016 #11
Damn good question workinclasszero Mar 2016 #12
Because it's not advocating for a Third Party candidate is my guess. ScreamingMeemie Mar 2016 #13
That would be correct XD Hillary supporters hate unity apparently pinebox Mar 2016 #17
Why would it not be? pinebox Mar 2016 #14
She's never gotten a response. There's probably a good reason for that. kcr Mar 2016 #15
I don't know I see it as this pinebox Mar 2016 #18
Helping to get Trump elected isn't unity. kcr Mar 2016 #24
Helping to get the Dempublican elected pinebox Mar 2016 #26
Which was why Bernie ran as a Dem kcr Mar 2016 #29
I don't see it as a third party run pinebox Mar 2016 #41
Maybe. But that's not how the author of the article sees it. kcr Mar 2016 #44
Someone mentioned up above pinebox Mar 2016 #99
Yes, that's what I think she's hinting at. kcr Mar 2016 #149
Here's what Bernie will tell you after he endorses Hillary BeyondGeography Mar 2016 #140
Here's what Bernie actually says pinebox Mar 2016 #237
Meantime, back in the USA, do you want Bernie to have a major voice at the DNC BeyondGeography Mar 2016 #262
Sore loser land you say? pinebox Mar 2016 #264
I think both candidates are significantly inferior to the current President in their way BeyondGeography Mar 2016 #268
I'll endorse who I feel best represents me pinebox Mar 2016 #274
Was she whining about delegates and super delegates when Obama won them? leftofcool Mar 2016 #16
No, she had agreed to the rules and didn't complain when comradebillyboy Mar 2016 #45
8 years and Obama wasn't the obvious pre election choice of the DNC.nt artislife Mar 2016 #88
Fuck Ralph Nader...nt SidDithers Mar 2016 #28
Ralph Nader = 8 years of Bush hell workinclasszero Mar 2016 #34
Yea, the 13% of Dems who voted for Bush gave us Bush. HooptieWagon Mar 2016 #53
Sure are a lot of Nader defenders around here workinclasszero Mar 2016 #62
I doubt 13% of Florida dems voted for Bush. brush Mar 2016 #155
Here's national. HooptieWagon Mar 2016 #161
That chart is not convincing. Try this link that explains how Nader screwed the country . . . brush Mar 2016 #168
You think HuffPo is more credible than Cornell University? HooptieWagon Mar 2016 #175
Most of them hadn't voted for Dems since Reagan. But the 95,000 Nader pnwmom Mar 2016 #188
Fuck facts and how Gore couldn't even his home state pinebox Mar 2016 #42
Yes. His homestate of Tennessee kcr Mar 2016 #51
Facts matter pinebox Mar 2016 #54
Yes. Facts matter. Like the fact his home state is a red state. kcr Mar 2016 #56
Nader didn't garner much votes but honestly Gore pinebox Mar 2016 #101
You missed a step . . . brush Mar 2016 #158
Fuck Ron Paul KittyWampus Mar 2016 #65
Too late for collaboration in the primary. NCTraveler Mar 2016 #33
Bernie's a democrat for the $$. Jill has no $$. sorry, Jill nt nt msongs Mar 2016 #48
Bernie is a Democrat for the $? pinebox Mar 2016 #55
Or his own words. n/t JTFrog Mar 2016 #78
I wish the Green Party would simply endorse Bernie this time around. nt redwitch Mar 2016 #59
If Bernie is the nominee, I think there is a great chance of that happening.[n/t] Maedhros Mar 2016 #127
Nothing like fracturing the Left to help the Fascists out, Jill. The Left is a coalition KittyWampus Mar 2016 #63
What are third waver protecting? nt artislife Mar 2016 #90
Why am I not surprised! Walk away Mar 2016 #66
Could be used as leverage against superdelegates not respecting the popular vote dreamnightwind Mar 2016 #74
Interesting indeed justaddh2o Mar 2016 #123
yeah well i have zero faith in the supers doing the right thing dreamnightwind Mar 2016 #147
Take your logic to the next step. You say the Greens, with Bernie, could keep Hillary pnwmom Mar 2016 #198
No need to dreamnightwind Mar 2016 #199
So you think Bernie would threaten a third party run in order to get super delegate votes? pnwmom Mar 2016 #201
I think the superdelegates need to be considering that possibility dreamnightwind Mar 2016 #205
Except Hillary is winning the popular vote and pledged delegates, nevermind SDs. Metric System Mar 2016 #257
This is democratic underground. I suggest you find an - OhZone Mar 2016 #75
I'm surprised that Skinner only singled out "Trump Humping" JTFrog Mar 2016 #82
Oh I'm sorry I thought Bernie was running as a Dem? pinebox Mar 2016 #104
"lolz" NuclearDem Mar 2016 #116
This is a Democratic party leaning board only. hrmjustin Mar 2016 #145
Russia Today crap HERVEPA Mar 2016 #83
As opposed to pinebox Mar 2016 #238
If the Democratic Party is foolish enough to turn its back on the American people, liberal_at_heart Mar 2016 #92
Which American people are those? Beacool Mar 2016 #283
In 2012 I voted for Jill Stein. I'm a Democrat (I was on the same ballot, you know) Ron Green Mar 2016 #93
What the fuck is this shit? NuclearDem Mar 2016 #95
You mad? pinebox Mar 2016 #107
I do have a problem with people shilling the Green Party on Democratic Underground. NuclearDem Mar 2016 #114
She's trying to sow division, not unity. She's trying to get Bernie to join her pnwmom Mar 2016 #203
When the TOS Jamaal510 Mar 2016 #196
Dont look now, but that was your entry for Bartlett's Quotations. DisgustipatedinCA Mar 2016 #211
Amazing how one simple IGNORE... MattSh Mar 2016 #103
I know, right? liberal_at_heart Mar 2016 #105
Right? pinebox Mar 2016 #111
Isn't that interesting! Bjornsdotter Mar 2016 #109
She's right about the "fake go-left thing"... polichick Mar 2016 #110
My second choice in the GE. 99Forever Mar 2016 #117
Jill Stein is as qualified for the presidency as Donald Trump is, i.e. not at all Tarc Mar 2016 #121
Because you get to decide who's qualified? pinebox Mar 2016 #239
"...a candidate who is directly responsible..." ? Tarc Mar 2016 #281
Ugh that was a typo pinebox Mar 2016 #285
Pretty much every Sanders supporter I know in RL, will vote for Jill Stein riderinthestorm Mar 2016 #124
To change things for the better we have to, you know, CHANGE things. Maedhros Mar 2016 #129
Exactly. RiverLover Mar 2016 #138
Stein doesn't offer anything they should be interested in -- such as the chance of actually getting onenote Mar 2016 #178
No one considering voting for Stein thinks she will win. DisgustipatedinCA Mar 2016 #213
The point I was making is that what Stein offers is worthless onenote Mar 2016 #214
What she offers is a protest vote. After 2000, lots of people don't want to write a candidate in DisgustipatedinCA Mar 2016 #215
To some people it's a lot more pinebox Mar 2016 #241
And Stein won't represent them either, because she won't get elected to anything onenote Mar 2016 #252
There are always people who find it thrilling to go the Nader route. pnwmom Mar 2016 #204
Gore won fyi. Nader didn't lose that election for the Dems nt riderinthestorm Mar 2016 #207
Those 95,000 votes he got would have been more than enough to pnwmom Mar 2016 #251
Same here pinebox Mar 2016 #240
This Greenie Is Torn corbettkroehler Mar 2016 #128
Ok. n/t zappaman Mar 2016 #139
Weren't you folks satisfied with the 2000 election? Here we go again!! Stunning! Talk like that Jitter65 Mar 2016 #141
How about you don't speak for Sanders supporters Matt_in_STL Mar 2016 #142
I hope all democrats in the next primary states workinclasszero Mar 2016 #256
This thread should be locked. That woman has no place being praised on this site. hrmjustin Mar 2016 #143
That woman? Rosa Luxemburg Mar 2016 #148
No Rosa it is me Justin. hrmjustin Mar 2016 #150
LOL! Rosa Luxemburg Mar 2016 #184
It's actually a pretty illuminating thread. Bleacher Creature Mar 2016 #156
Good point. They go over the line on purpose and then act like they are persecuted when hrmjustin Mar 2016 #159
+1 Jamaal510 Mar 2016 #197
+1 uponit7771 Mar 2016 #206
I feel another freak-out brewing. DisgustipatedinCA Mar 2016 #212
Judge not lest you be judged. Your timouts were just as amusing. hrmjustin Mar 2016 #221
She should move to Vermont and run for Senate Cheese Sandwich Mar 2016 #144
She should move to Colorado pinebox Mar 2016 #243
Fuck Nader. nt LexVegas Mar 2016 #151
Go for it. pinebox Mar 2016 #244
Jill Stein: Kingmaker frazzled Mar 2016 #153
Oh god no... liberalnarb Mar 2016 #160
oh good. Hillary will kick both their asses. wyldwolf Mar 2016 #162
The scary part is, she might not. liberalnarb Mar 2016 #174
Even that result would have a tiny silver lining wyldwolf Mar 2016 #200
A question for those saying a vote for Stein rather than Clinton doesn't help Trump onenote Mar 2016 #176
K & R Duppers Mar 2016 #177
Stein is weaseling, she could easily open her own dialogue. joshcryer Mar 2016 #189
She opened up her own dialogue to Bernie pinebox Mar 2016 #245
How would this benefit Bernie? Sounds like it's all about benefitting Stein and the Green Party kerry-is-my-prez Mar 2016 #190
Sanders/Stein sure. vintx Mar 2016 #194
This is good. nt Zorra Mar 2016 #195
Sanders will never go for this, but I'd support him if he did. Vote2016 Mar 2016 #217
This message was self-deleted by its author PonyUp Mar 2016 #222
Jill Rocks colsohlibgal Mar 2016 #224
Bernie Is The Only Antidote To Rampant DNC DWS DLC HRC Third-Way Corporatist Corruption cantbeserious Mar 2016 #226
Collaboration? This is a major fault with the left, IMO. nt merrily Mar 2016 #228
If this thread isn't trying to tell people NOT to vote for the Democratic nominee if it is still_one Mar 2016 #230
Its been alerted on workinclasszero Mar 2016 #259
and that is no surprise to me still_one Mar 2016 #261
Kick and R BeanMusical Mar 2016 #234
This crap should not be on DU MaggieD Mar 2016 #258
I'd go one step further. Bleacher Creature Mar 2016 #263
I'm more qualified to be President than Jill Stein. Metric System Mar 2016 #260
You're probably more qualified than Hillary pinebox Mar 2016 #265
Yale Law grad, Senator, Secretary of State. Nope, Hillary's definitely more qualified. Metric System Mar 2016 #271
Iraq, Saudi weapon deals, Honduras, emails. You are more qualified. pinebox Mar 2016 #272
Jill Stein is great, but Sanders has already rejected her overtures. Sanders' path lies within the Attorney in Texas Mar 2016 #267
Actually he hasn't said a thing yet pinebox Mar 2016 #277
Let's stop pretending that Hillary is winning because the majority of super delegates support her. Beacool Mar 2016 #269
Let's stop calling Hillary a prgressive pinebox Mar 2016 #276
What does your opinion of Hillary have to do with the OP? Beacool Mar 2016 #280
Sure that's why you replied XD pinebox Mar 2016 #286
So Hillary canvasses for Goldwater more than FIFTY years ago. Bleacher Creature Mar 2016 #270
I don't care if Hillary was a Goldwater girl pinebox Mar 2016 #273
Thank-you for posting an article from the Russian Government controlled newspaper still_one Mar 2016 #279
The sheer amount of desperation is palpable here. Any and everything, no matter how synergie Mar 2016 #282
It certainly seems that way still_one Mar 2016 #284
And yet sometimes they cover stuff ignored by US corporate media Cheese Sandwich Mar 2016 #293
If you enjoy Putin's propaganda outlet, go for it still_one Mar 2016 #295
I noticed Thom Hartmann and Ed Schultz are on that channel. Cheese Sandwich Mar 2016 #298
Fuck the Greens....bought and paid for GOP whores..... msanthrope Mar 2016 #297
It goes both ways pinebox Mar 2016 #299
Fuck Rick Santorum... msanthrope Mar 2016 #300
Nobody will argue with you that Santorum is an idiot pinebox Mar 2016 #301
Then Sanders will be a POS to the Democratic party that Nader has become. I do not see it. seabeyond Mar 2016 #304
Nader was 16 years ago and didn't cost you shit pinebox Mar 2016 #305
Bullshit. Naders is an ego driven wanna be and will sell out where ever he can get a vote. seabeyond Mar 2016 #306
Oh please pinebox Mar 2016 #307
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