2016 Postmortem

pampango

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61. All RW populists have some (specific) far RW issues and some "vaguely LW issues".

Thu Mar 24, 2016, 11:30 AM

Mar 2016

If not, RW populists would not be 'populists' at all. They know that in order to win elections they have to at least pretend to be support "some vaguely LW issues". Otherwise, they would be perceived as typical right wingers which would limit their appeal to their conservative base.

Also, it is instructive how specific RW populists can be about RW issues - like how long, high, beautiful and huuuuge the border wall will be, who will pay for it and exactly what per cent of a tariff he will unilaterally apply to countries and companies that displease him.

When it comes to some LW issues, he can sound supportive but is much more "vague" about the details than he is about border walls and tariffs.

All that said, he is an excellent campaigner - most demagogues are - and will be a tough opponent which I think is your point.

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This may be the election that redefines the parties. The Democrats may evolve into the party of the [View all] Attorney in Texas Mar 2016 OP

Down is up and up is down in Bernie supporter's world. The contortions must hurt Huh? upaloopa Mar 2016 #1

Confusing, isn't it? Octafish Mar 2016 #34

Hillary is the ONLY candidate actively fighting Citizens United. JaneyVee Mar 2016 #2

Yeah not much of a prognosticator CorkySt.Clair Mar 2016 #6

Yeah, she's actively fighting it all right CoffeeCat Mar 2016 #41

Hillary practiced reckless regime change that benefited ISIS; she promised to oppose FTAs but then amborin Mar 2016 #44

Bernie has repeatedly described Citizens United as the worst decision every made by the ladjf Mar 2016 #54

One of the worst noretreatnosurrender Mar 2016 #77

Hillary is NOT the only candidate actively fighting Citizens United hellofromreddit Mar 2016 #67

Please provide info revbones Mar 2016 #79

Don't be so naive. Joe the Revelator Mar 2016 #81

+1000 valerief Mar 2016 #3

"There is no difference between Hillary and Republicans" cosmicone Mar 2016 #4

I heard that from some in 2000 CorkySt.Clair Mar 2016 #8

It was a meme spread by Karl Rove cosmicone Mar 2016 #9

There are still a few around who believe it CorkySt.Clair Mar 2016 #11

It was a reality when it came to issues of wealth and power Armstead Mar 2016 #15

My point was exactly the opposite. There is a BIG difference between Clinton and Trump. Clinton is Attorney in Texas Mar 2016 #16

When it comes to foreign policy there is no difference between Hillary and Bush CoffeeCat Mar 2016 #52

If you trust Donal Trump to "rail against corruption" then I feel sorry for you. Same with taxes. nt CalvinballPro Mar 2016 #5

I don't trust Trump on ANYTHING. I am not a Bernie-or-Bust voter; I'm a Democrat. I am talking about Attorney in Texas Mar 2016 #12

There are people who will crawl over broken glass to vote against Trump emulatorloo Mar 2016 #21

People will crawl over broken glass to vote FOR and AGAINST Trump. Hillary is NOT Bush or FDR Attorney in Texas Mar 2016 #24

We'll have to disagree. Mainstream majority voters won't elect Trump emulatorloo Mar 2016 #33

I think the distaste for Hillary out there is very underestimated mountain grammy Mar 2016 #45

I agree. I also think there is a hopelessness that will vote for change even if the change is the Attorney in Texas Mar 2016 #49

Me too! mountain grammy Mar 2016 #51

You missed the point. It's that Trump can and will run to the left of Hillary ... Scuba Mar 2016 #26

Yes. Not only will he push some issues Republicans usually won't, he'll be far more populist than Attorney in Texas Mar 2016 #32

Yes, exacty! mountain grammy Mar 2016 #48

Don't try to explain the real world to the Hillary fanatics. BillZBubb Mar 2016 #35

Correct! And a blood bath shall ensue. yourpaljoey Mar 2016 #39

That's some serious nonsense. JoePhilly Mar 2016 #7

Awesome refutation! Lizzie Poppet Mar 2016 #13

It's ironic that you're calling for substance literally right after name calling mythology Mar 2016 #68

Looks like you've given up on poll trutherism and found a new kind of nonsense to peddle. DanTex Mar 2016 #10

Is "poll trutherism" what says Sanders is poised to win Alaska, Washington, Hawaii, Wyoming, etc.? Attorney in Texas Mar 2016 #40

Have fun with Alaska! DanTex Mar 2016 #56

We plan to, but the fun won't stop there! Attorney in Texas Mar 2016 #58

I guess I'll be the only Hillary voter there tomorrow. bravenak Mar 2016 #76

Nah, the 'new' Republican Party is a proto Nazi party. And you don't bring a knife to a gun fight. emulatorloo Mar 2016 #14

? Hiraeth Mar 2016 #17

Yes, but Trump promises the moon to folks All in it together Mar 2016 #20

You're talking about who Trump is. I'm talking about what Trump will falsely promise in his campaign Attorney in Texas Mar 2016 #42

Point taken. But consider this: Trump does not have the skills of Reagan. emulatorloo Mar 2016 #50

I would say that Trump has different skills than Reagan. Trump didn't beat the other 16 Republican Attorney in Texas Mar 2016 #55

'My cock is bigger than yours and your wife is ugly' won't cut it with General Election voters emulatorloo Mar 2016 #65

True, but I'm more concerned with Hillary giving qualified weasel-word answers to voters who ask for Attorney in Texas Mar 2016 #69

Isn't it a bit hypocritical So Far From Heaven Mar 2016 #80

Not sure I agree 100%, but you have made some brilliant observations, IMO. closeupready Mar 2016 #18

Some Dems are really Republicans. They just don't know it. Gregorian Mar 2016 #19

Clinton is old-school politics and this, too, will pass. randome Mar 2016 #22

why? ibegurpard Mar 2016 #28

He's mostly unknown, I would agree. randome Mar 2016 #31

Not when they're pushing the same policy ibegurpard Mar 2016 #36

Point by point. pampango Mar 2016 #23

I am talking about Trump's foreseeable campaign themes. I'm not suggesting Trump would govern better Attorney in Texas Mar 2016 #27

Agreed. RW populist demagogues can be tremendous campaigners. n/t pampango Mar 2016 #37

I'm not even sure Trump is going to campaign as a RW populist. I think he's going to campaign as a Attorney in Texas Mar 2016 #43

All RW populists have some (specific) far RW issues and some "vaguely LW issues". pampango Mar 2016 #61

Much of Trump's vagueness is more intentional than a result of poor preparation (as many assume). Attorney in Texas Mar 2016 #63

I quite agree that his vagueness is intentional particularly, IMHO, with LW issues. pampango Mar 2016 #64

You are wrong, people will believe him. BillZBubb Mar 2016 #47

I did not mean to post that people would not believe his campaign rhetoric. He'll be very dangerous pampango Mar 2016 #57

Pumping up the GOP again?? DCBob Mar 2016 #25

I'm not "pumping up the GOP" - I don't even think Trump is the GOP (and that was part of my point). Attorney in Texas Mar 2016 #29

It's LONG past time ibegurpard Mar 2016 #30

The Clintons have historically pushed the party to Conservative FreakinDJ Mar 2016 #38

And the DU Political Rehabilitation of Trump continues apace. nt Codeine Mar 2016 #46

There is nothing good about Trump. He is beyond rehabilitation, but he will make false campaign Attorney in Texas Mar 2016 #53

This is not rehabilitation. Ghost Dog Mar 2016 #60

Then put the intials "FBI" next to Hillary's name on that horizontal line. Major Hogwash Mar 2016 #59

I don't see how Hillary is a viable candidate unless she is cleared very soon by the FBI. Vinca Mar 2016 #66

And each day brings something new. libdem4life Mar 2016 #71

I like Donnie's answer to your exercise XRubicon Mar 2016 #62

Evolution has no direction. Up/down, Forward/Backwards, Left/Right, Short/Tall. Tierra_y_Libertad Mar 2016 #70

I predicted this over a decade ago nadinbrzezinski Mar 2016 #72

You had greater foresight than I did. Attorney in Texas Mar 2016 #73

I admit, when I said that hte GOP would go away nadinbrzezinski Mar 2016 #74

To pick out the most egregious of your many blatant factual errors: Donald Ian Rankin Mar 2016 #75

Sadly, I think Trump is more reasonable than his rhetoric while HRC will take us all leveymg Mar 2016 #78