2016 Postmortem

JoePhilly

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31. Well ... Trump is killing the GOP establishment ...

Reply to Cal33 (Reply #30)

Thu Mar 24, 2016, 05:43 PM

Mar 2016

... and Bernie is not killing the Dem establishment.

Am I wrong?

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Things are coming to a head. I believe vast changes are coming, whether we want them to, or not: [View all] Cal33 Mar 2016 OP

You are treating the issues of the right as if they are legitimate. Most of their issues Jackie Wilson Said Mar 2016 #1

I'm sure people on the right feel their issues are just as legitimate as yours revbones Mar 2016 #3

It doesnt surprise me AT ALL you are sympathizing with rightwing racists and bigots. Jackie Wilson Said Mar 2016 #5

I sympathize with people in general and tend to call out hypocrisy like that in your comment. revbones Mar 2016 #12

That's wrong. People are not automatically evil.... Armstead Mar 2016 #13

Ugh and sigh Jackie Wilson Said Mar 2016 #26

And you are using that..... daleanime Mar 2016 #6

All democrats or almost all are pro corporate. Bernie isnt, a couple others. Jackie Wilson Said Mar 2016 #8

Most 'elected democrats' are pro corporate.... daleanime Mar 2016 #11

"All democrats or almost all are pro corporate." Really? I think Hillary is winning at this point Cal33 Mar 2016 #14

They debates where not rigged!! Gwhittey Mar 2016 #58

And schedule those few debates during major sports events Art_from_Ark Mar 2016 #60

"Issues of the right??" The OP doesn't even touch "issues of the right." senz Mar 2016 #67

Those on the Right? Their issues are just as legitimate to them as yours are to you. Autumn Mar 2016 #68

I knew it, I knew it Jackie Wilson Said Mar 2016 #82

HRC is a Camp all unto herself. Many of her currrent positions fall libdem4life Mar 2016 #86

Your choice: Corporate Socialism or Democratic Socialism. Choose wisely. Kip Humphrey Mar 2016 #2

Oh.....I like that. That would make a great teashirt. yourout Mar 2016 #52

K&R Scuba Mar 2016 #4

I agree... DemocracyDirect Mar 2016 #7

We need that in my district. JEB Mar 2016 #15

Hillary is a "Progressive" in the same way many corporatists believe that this Lorien Mar 2016 #9

... senz Mar 2016 #69

Like the movement conservative on the right, Bernie Sanders is a movement progressive on the right BlueStateLib Mar 2016 #92

Change is ALWAYS coming. This isn't some overly dramatic transformation going on, it's a sea change. randome Mar 2016 #10

Examples of Corporate Power people: The banks that took part in the financial scandals of 2007 Cal33 Mar 2016 #16

I'd be more satisfied if we aimed at the correct targets: Congress. randome Mar 2016 #19

About "a presidential bully pulpit," Pres. Obama is not only not using it - he, in fact, is Cal33 Mar 2016 #22

When Obama uses the bully pulpit ... the disgruntled left screams ... JoePhilly Mar 2016 #27

Obama uses the bully pulpit ibegurpard Mar 2016 #32

Bernie should run against Obama then. JoePhilly Mar 2016 #34

You've noticed "a bunch of DU members who only appear when the general election is approaching." Cal33 Mar 2016 #44

Eh, I've been here all along Fumesucker Mar 2016 #70

"DU might but what does that mean in the vast scheme of things? Not much." floppyboo Mar 2016 #80

I'd prefer that a great transformation take place. randome Mar 2016 #85

Soon Bernie will endorse Hillary, and then there will be the Democratic party and a few DanTex Mar 2016 #17

That's when Bernie will get his spot under the bus CorkySt.Clair Mar 2016 #21

True that. It will be hilarious. DanTex Mar 2016 #50

<> -- you hope. Only vindictive people think Cal33 Mar 2016 #89

No more vindictive CorkySt.Clair Mar 2016 #90

Yes, Bernie would be the type to endorse his opponent should he lose. I wouldn't Cal33 Mar 2016 #24

Did you miss this? Autumn Mar 2016 #72

I totally agree coyote Mar 2016 #18

Donald Trump is using much the same criticisms. procon Mar 2016 #20

I do not think Hillary would even try to influence any changes in the system we have now. djean111 Mar 2016 #37

Yes, I agree that many of the "old bulls" in Congress should have already retired. You can be Cal33 Mar 2016 #48

And how do think that might actually happen in the real world? procon Mar 2016 #56

Since 90% of the news media is Republican-owned, the Democrats are at a horrendous disadvantage. Cal33 Mar 2016 #59

Clout and influence are meaningless AgerolanAmerican Mar 2016 #65

That's illogical. procon Mar 2016 #71

Yeap, the marginalized and left out are coming to power... inside the DNC. The DNC establishment... uponit7771 Mar 2016 #23

Sorry, don't see it. JoePhilly Mar 2016 #25

At the moment both Democrats and Republicans are simply rebelling against their own Cal33 Mar 2016 #30

Well ... Trump is killing the GOP establishment ... JoePhilly Mar 2016 #31

You are partially right, Bernie is not killing the Dem. Establishment the way Trump is Cal33 Mar 2016 #49

The divisions with the dems are just as serious as the nadinbrzezinski Mar 2016 #28

Nonsense ... JoePhilly Mar 2016 #33

Historical realignment. Sixth in fact nadinbrzezinski Mar 2016 #35

Ahhh ... argument from imagined authority. JoePhilly Mar 2016 #39

Nope. It is happening nadinbrzezinski Mar 2016 #40

You babble a great deal as you make assumptions about who you think ... JoePhilly Mar 2016 #41

It is your online persona nadinbrzezinski Mar 2016 #42

Another great non response. JoePhilly Mar 2016 #43

Use the google or not nadinbrzezinski Mar 2016 #46

All I can reply to this is thank whoever that Bernie will not be upaloopa Mar 2016 #29

The latest national poll shows that Sanders continues to increase his lead over Clinton. He Cal33 Mar 2016 #73

It's still not translating into leftynyc Mar 2016 #81

You're right. At this point, it looks more likely that Hillary would win in the Primaries -- all Cal33 Mar 2016 #88

The guy who bowed down to gun corporations and lockheed martin isnt a corporatist? JaneyVee Mar 2016 #36

If you're talking about Bernie, he voted against the Iraq War. He is definitely not a Corporatist, Cal33 Mar 2016 #87

Message auto-removed Name removed Mar 2016 #38

Bernie is setting the table for Elizabeth Warren. Octafish Mar 2016 #45

That would certainly be a good idea. Warren has the integrity, brains and good-will to Cal33 Mar 2016 #54

Elizabeth Warren is almost 67 years "young". procon Mar 2016 #57

Some people retain their health and vigor - both physically and mentally - longer than Cal33 Mar 2016 #91

Many Many Thanks SoLeftIAmRight Mar 2016 #84

I call clinton a repub. Definitely not a progressive. What laugh! oldandhappy Mar 2016 #47

Yet Republicans loathe her with a vengeance Zambero Mar 2016 #79

Maybe she is too far right for me and not far right enough for the far right? oldandhappy Mar 2016 #83

I agree with your intuitions. nt ladjf Mar 2016 #51

Climate change means politics as we know it will be irrevocably changed riderinthestorm Mar 2016 #53

I think this is really what's in play Hydra Mar 2016 #61

I actually agree with you riderinthestorm Mar 2016 #62

:) Hydra Mar 2016 #63

Obama's legacy will soon be badly tarnished as the full-scale of the disaster begins to unfold riderinthestorm Mar 2016 #64

I will take the average... 5 years nadinbrzezinski Mar 2016 #66

Starting to think a UK style politics might emerge in the USA Califonz Mar 2016 #55

One is the face of the system, the other is facing the system. raouldukelives Mar 2016 #74

I suppose there are some who believe the Republican propaganda that what is happening Cal33 Mar 2016 #75

Or great big children! raging moderate Mar 2016 #77

When the party is mostly co-opted, Rebkeh Mar 2016 #76

Meh CorkySt.Clair Mar 2016 #78