2016 Postmortem

Waiting For Everyman

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74. "It's the server, stupid" Dems need to look into this!

Mon Mar 28, 2016, 09:15 AM

Mar 2016

The OP video is 40 minutes. I strongly suggest that everyone put on their objective brain and listen to it. The guy is a partisan jerk, yes, but he knows the law and he has good inside sources. He's talking facts here, not opinions.

I've been reading up on this for the past week, and I can tell you that everything he's saying here is well-documented by other very reliable sources. (All I have is a messy Notepad filled with links, not in any shape to post an OP from; I may or may not be about to do that later.) Meanwhile though...

This is NOT a nothingburger. Bernie needs to get up to speed on this too, asap. Clinton is spinning a load of lies about this just like she does everything else.

It is not about the emails themselves, or over-classification, or others did it too -- all of that is not only irrelevant but wrong as well. She is lying to us again, fellow Dems, bigtime. She's on track to let this blow up in our faces.

It's bad, and it isn't going away, and it's going to massively affect Dems in this election.

I see it still said here that Bernie hasn't been vetted, no HRC hasn't been vetted about THIS, because Bernie hasn't brought it up. But Trump and other Repubs have already stated on the record that THEY WILL USE THIS.

All of us, including Bernie, and including me until last week, have ignored this up to now because the Repubs have "cried wolf" so many times before. But this time, this is real.

There is a lot to read up on and wrap our heads around about this, and I strongly recommend that Dems who haven't been paying attention to it, get on it right away.

This will BLINDSIDE us if we don't. This video is a good place to start. I also recommend the Wikipedia article on it as an overview, which has a ton of footnote links...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hillary_Clinton_email_controversy#Email_server

SETTING UP THE SERVER WAS AN ILLEGAL ACT, it's not about the emails, and no other Secretary of State ever did this! Nobody. She never used her government email account AT ALL, and it was purely to evade FOIA and to hide pay-to-play with the Clinton Foundation -- 13 separate instances of it, and counting.

This will blow up on us, Dems. 100% guaranteed. She will either be indicted or the court of public opinion will REJECT her, and elect a Repub.

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FROM C-SPAN: Investigation Into Hillary Clinton's E-Mails... [View all] AzDar Mar 2016 OP

Setting up an illegal server in her home made her guilty of gross negligence. DamnYankeeInHouston Mar 2016 #1

Yep. It would also appear that there is an unbelievable amount of overlap between official State AzDar Mar 2016 #3

this is particularly troubling; but even separately, there are huge problems amborin Mar 2016 #13

It's not going away. We need 840high Mar 2016 #59

But, but, but Fairgo Mar 2016 #53

She used a server in her basement that was already being used Lars39 Mar 2016 #71

At best, it shows a stunning lack of judgement. DamnYankeeInHouston Mar 2016 #79

Or like a little kid thinking he's invisible because he's hiding behind the couch. Lars39 Mar 2016 #82

I REALLY hope the FBI are looking into Clinton Foundation connections Matariki Mar 2016 #80

this is from media matters re: Joseph diGenova WhiteTara Mar 2016 #2

C-Span considers his opinion formidable... AzDar Mar 2016 #4

so was Goebles. nt WhiteTara Mar 2016 #5

You consider Dr. Goebbels formidable? Fascinating. Me? I'll trust C-span... AzDar Mar 2016 #7

I'll trust Media Matters. WhiteTara Mar 2016 #8

Uh, thanks for the re-cap? The subject is Hillary's incompetence/ corruption : truly formidable. AzDar Mar 2016 #10

This is about the source. nt WhiteTara Mar 2016 #11

Again- if C-span considers his opinion worthy... If you disagree with it, feel free to not watch. AzDar Mar 2016 #12

How gracious of you to allow me not to watch. However, WhiteTara Mar 2016 #14

And I shall feel free to point and laugh. Hillary could very well be facing criminal charges... AzDar Mar 2016 #15

This clip, title, and description were not created by C-SPAN. fun n serious Mar 2016 #55

What is wrong with you people? Every message you don't like, it's immediately the messenger and pdsimdars Mar 2016 #50

Mediamatters? David Brock gets no respect from me NWCorona Mar 2016 #16

Media Matters is an arm of Hillary Clinton. grasswire Mar 2016 #32

^^^This!^^^ David Brock is an arm of the Hillary campaign peacebird Mar 2016 #77

David Brock has been discredited for false claims he made about Anita Hill in the 1990s jfern Mar 2016 #72

Joe Di Genova...."Worse than Drudge" Tanuki Mar 2016 #6

Yep. nt WhiteTara Mar 2016 #9

From Media Matters..... pat_k Mar 2016 #22

That couple ....!!!! FarPoint Mar 2016 #29

But do you have anything to counter any point he made? Is this all you Hillary people have? pdsimdars Mar 2016 #51

LOL. Joseph diGenova is a right-winger who has been pushing Benghazi conspiracies. DanTex Mar 2016 #17

I'm sure he was just 'misspeaking' . C-Span takes him seriously; I'll side with them. AzDar Mar 2016 #19

Of course you side with the right-winger. Nobody is surprised. DanTex Mar 2016 #20

Low, false, and...typical. Hillary is under serious investigation- sorry if that hurts your feelings AzDar Mar 2016 #21

Bernie fans cheerleading right-wingers. You're far from the first one. We get it. DanTex Mar 2016 #23

If you did... it'd be about the first thing you 'got'. LA Times too "Right-Wing" for you, Chief? AzDar Mar 2016 #24

LOL. Serious trouble. Keep dreaming and following right-wing media. DanTex Mar 2016 #25

Yep. It's ALL a Vast Right-Wing Conspiracy... AzDar Mar 2016 #26

We Only Cheer The Hopefully Relentless Pursuit of JUSTICE! CorporatistNation Mar 2016 #36

Funny that it keeps being right-wingers that y'all are cheering on. Why is that? DanTex Mar 2016 #38

The Point isn't about the source.. 2banon Mar 2016 #44

Then why the constant links to right-wingers here? If there were anything legitimate here, DanTex Mar 2016 #45

I'm not sure that's the case.. 2banon Mar 2016 #46

What I'm passionate about is not seeing a Republican become president. DanTex Mar 2016 #49

here ya go.. 2banon Mar 2016 #68

You missed my point. DanTex Mar 2016 #70

I can think of 2 more possibilities. 2banon Mar 2016 #81

This is your chance to 840high Mar 2016 #60

I dont actually think the bar to get airtime on C-SPAN is all that high. Warren DeMontague Mar 2016 #30

Agreed. It's just always a case of 'attack the messenger' ... that horrifies and fascinates. AzDar Mar 2016 #31

I hope it isnt, actually. Warren DeMontague Mar 2016 #33

Worthy concerns... AzDar Mar 2016 #35

This is exactly what I think. I'm sure the papers are being drafted libdem4life Mar 2016 #61

Bingo! 2banon Mar 2016 #69

I wouldn't use anything from CSPAN as a source anymore. Vinca Mar 2016 #18

So, putting a Bernie picture in your reply is to make us think you are a Bernie supporter? pdsimdars Mar 2016 #52

You're being foolish. Vinca Mar 2016 #73

So if a terrorist surrenders and tells you of a plot to bomb your city pdsimdars Mar 2016 #87

That is foolish . . . and you said it, I didn't. Vinca Mar 2016 #88

The guy may be part of vast RW conspiracy, and his wife sure keeps curious clientele (erik prince) BirdieSanders Mar 2016 #27

Heck, check out Hillary and Bill's dealings with Blackwater. nt grasswire Mar 2016 #34

SOLID! SOLID! So I Have Heard from Many Former Govt Employees Who Functioned Under The Same Rules... CorporatistNation Mar 2016 #37

Exactly my thinking, . .. he has been on the horrible side of things, but this is solid stuff. pdsimdars Mar 2016 #48

Yes, yes, yes . . . . GOD, I would love to hear some counter arguments or other explanation pdsimdars Mar 2016 #54

right--seeing someone with so many blindly loyal fall guys, each scrambling MisterP Mar 2016 #67

Are you aware this man has been after the Clintons for decades? hrmjustin Mar 2016 #28

I called out a poster for a thread like this and got a hide... DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2016 #39

They do this stuff on purpose to bait us. hrmjustin Mar 2016 #40

Of course. But with the new rules the baiting isn't as effective. DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2016 #41

Yeah thankfully the 5 hide rule was lifted. hrmjustin Mar 2016 #42

I was at 4 for about 45 days but I have never got to five. DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2016 #43

Is it factual? No garbage...no clever quips...is this all a lie? libdem4life Mar 2016 #63

You take right wing hacks at their word or only when attacking Hillary? hrmjustin Mar 2016 #66

As usual. Nothing but insults. No facts. No infomation. No nothing. libdem4life Mar 2016 #75

He's usually on the side I'm not, but sure provided plain, clear information about the legal issues pdsimdars Mar 2016 #47

Exactly. Even broken clocks and Cons can be right at times. GreenPartyVoter Mar 2016 #89

I still don't see any crime. What crime is committed by setting up the server? Vattel Mar 2016 #56

Here are two I can guess Gwhittey Mar 2016 #58

But these are not criminal statutes, are they? So no crime to violate them. Vattel Mar 2016 #62

Violation of US code 18 U.S.C Sec. 793(f) is a crime. Gwhittey Mar 2016 #64

oh, sorry, you are right. But I still dont see how setting up the server Vattel Mar 2016 #65

Well setting up a server is not Gwhittey Mar 2016 #83

That is true, but I think her intention was that only unclassified information Vattel Mar 2016 #84

With more main stream media like LA Times Gwhittey Mar 2016 #85

It will be interesting to see how it all pans out. Vattel Mar 2016 #86

Got an analogy that may help explain to Hill supporters some of my frustration pdsimdars Mar 2016 #57

"It's the server, stupid" Dems need to look into this! Waiting For Everyman Mar 2016 #74

FBI needs to indict now or let this thing go. Funtatlaguy Mar 2016 #76

It took 2 years to nail the Bundy's. They are thorough, and need to be especially thorough w Clinton peacebird Mar 2016 #78