2016 Postmortem

jwirr

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39. That is the first issue. We had all kinds of endorsements

Wed Mar 30, 2016, 11:21 AM

Mar 2016

before we were even close to the first primary. They not only want to take over at the convention they do not even want to allow the people to make a choice. It was decided that she was inevitable before anyone was even running against her.

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Every single New York super delegate we contacted said they will vote for Hillary even if Bernie win [View all] kgnu_fan Mar 2016 OP

How very democratic of them Fairgo Mar 2016 #1

The DNC has no idea how pissed off this kind of crap makes the average American peacebird Mar 2016 #14

Pissed off enough to not vote. jwirr Mar 2016 #38

No Bernie folks are not the average American upaloopa Mar 2016 #60

So you are fine with elitists ignoring the will of the people? Human101948 Mar 2016 #63

I don't respond to "So" upaloopa Mar 2016 #72

Your position is indefensible, so you cannot provide an answer... Human101948 Mar 2016 #73

I am not impressed with you either upaloopa Mar 2016 #84

Which is why we hounded by 'loyalty oaths'.... daleanime Mar 2016 #82

These Dirtballs Want To Play The Corporatist Tune Then We The People Will Have "Options" Too! CorporatistNation Mar 2016 #68

If they do that, people will refuse to vote in protest. Hello President Stump! n/t PonyUp Mar 2016 #2

But Sarandon (or anyone here) never suggested that! bettyellen Mar 2016 #44

She suggested precisely that Prism Mar 2016 #49

She smiled and laughed while talking about a "collapse" to "bring on the revolution". bettyellen Mar 2016 #50

I watched the interview twice Prism Mar 2016 #54

From supposed feminists. nadinbrzezinski Mar 2016 #59

If I said any of those things about Sarandon- you both might have a point. But it is a lie to bettyellen Mar 2016 #62

There is no stoning quite as satisfying as that of a heretic Prism Mar 2016 #79

I love all the gamer and fantasy fiction references. Not really. bettyellen Mar 2016 #85

Maybe check with your friends Prism Mar 2016 #90

Agreed this campaign season has taught me a lot nadinbrzezinski Mar 2016 #89

I haven't done any of that shaming, she is just another actor to me. Her success? Nope- bettyellen Mar 2016 #61

I would expect you would speak up in her defense Prism Mar 2016 #80

You think I support anything any woman does? That shit is a crazy cartoon version of feminism I bettyellen Mar 2016 #83

And there are the vocab words Prism Mar 2016 #92

She smiled and laughed while talking about a "collapse" to "bring on the revolution". and mused bettyellen Mar 2016 #94

You didn't address a single point Prism Mar 2016 #95

They do the same with race. PoC are great nadinbrzezinski Mar 2016 #97

But you are lying in that I went after her in a sexist way. I did not- so this conversation -- bettyellen Mar 2016 #101

I never said you did Prism Mar 2016 #102

Not sure why you and Nadin lectured me about what OTHER people were saying- instead of bettyellen Mar 2016 #105

You claim to be fiercely pro-woman Prism Mar 2016 #113

LOL riversedge Mar 2016 #57

We have people reading from a few different scripts. Now I attacked her for "her rack" - bettyellen Mar 2016 #64

I have no idea. Perhaps you posted to wrong person. riversedge Mar 2016 #76

The wrong people - "who have welcomed me to ignore" a half dozen times chimed in.... bettyellen Mar 2016 #77

It will get ugly if that's the case. Very ugly. nt nc4bo Mar 2016 #3

You're talking about the NYS DEM Party machine: Smarmie Doofus Mar 2016 #8

You've told Alan Grayson to support Hillary Clinton...right? brooklynite Mar 2016 #4

And Grijalva and Kaptur. N/t KitSileya Mar 2016 #12

Erin Bilbray from Nevada won't back Clinton even though Clinton won her state. #hypocrites nt CalvinballPro Mar 2016 #56

Good! Firebrand Gary Mar 2016 #5

Exactly. It's only free will when they vote the way they're 'supposed' to vote. randome Mar 2016 #7

Sounds like Catholicism. "Here's free will, followed by a list of stuff you're not free to do." nt CalvinballPro Mar 2016 #58

So why do we bother with elections? mucifer Mar 2016 #6

The unDemocratic "Democratic" Party RiverLover Mar 2016 #9

Great! NY Super Delegates declare war on their voters... Peace Patriot Mar 2016 #10

The 'Not Hillary' Party is preparing a CONSPIRACY to explain their massive loss in New York. onehandle Mar 2016 #11

WTF? Seriously? Fast Walker 52 Mar 2016 #17

They're blind to everything Politicalboi Mar 2016 #71

LOL @ the hypocrisy of all of this firebrand80 Mar 2016 #13

An honest solution would be for the super delegates to also vote proportionally Armstead Mar 2016 #28

Maybe firebrand80 Mar 2016 #35

It kind of takes the democratic out of Democratic Party. Vinca Mar 2016 #15

++++++ditto marions ghost Mar 2016 #20

+ another one nt riderinthestorm Mar 2016 #34

freaking outrageous Fast Walker 52 Mar 2016 #16

Go tell Tad Devine how undemocratic his system is. rbrnmw Mar 2016 #18

He's responsible for proportional respresentation of delegates only riderinthestorm Mar 2016 #33

If the superdelegates override the will of the voters EmperorHasNoClothes Mar 2016 #19

yes they will dana_b Mar 2016 #24

how sad is it restorefreedom Mar 2016 #21

Shaun King: It's not just Donald Trump who is a bigot, it's half of this country w/ a HUGE % of Dem kgnu_fan Mar 2016 #22

we are rapidly descending....very scary times. nt restorefreedom Mar 2016 #23

corrupting from inside, the most painful kind of death... kgnu_fan Mar 2016 #29

yes, like a cancer. nt restorefreedom Mar 2016 #36

untrue. they do everything they can to disenfranchise Dem voters. bettyellen Mar 2016 #47

yes, true, and it seems to be spreading to the dem side restorefreedom Mar 2016 #86

they have a mean GOTV operation, and stick together. do they have many caucuses? bettyellen Mar 2016 #87

i think they do have caucuses, but from what i have seen, restorefreedom Mar 2016 #91

I really want fair national standards, and alternative methods for voting. Oregon does say mail in bettyellen Mar 2016 #93

yes, we need to be making voting more possible and accessible restorefreedom Mar 2016 #98

they make it complicated all right. locally they always used to "look up" my registration in the bettyellen Mar 2016 #100

If superdelegates override the will of the people Generic Other Mar 2016 #25

A lot of the outrage stems from the fact that someone at the DNC Buns_of_Fire Mar 2016 #26

That is the first issue. We had all kinds of endorsements jwirr Mar 2016 #39

It's time to ditch delegates and screw the system pinebox Mar 2016 #27

"I'll never be a Dem". Well, then, your complaints about how the Dem Party works won't be heard. randome Mar 2016 #31

Actually they will & loudly pinebox Mar 2016 #32

"Both parties are bleeding" means that you "bleeders" can start your own party. randome Mar 2016 #48

ditch the caucuses all together- too many people cannot spend hours just to vote. bettyellen Mar 2016 #46

Good! She is going to win here anyway. hrmjustin Mar 2016 #30

Good. Starry Messenger Mar 2016 #37

It's only what their corporate masters pay them to do. Business as usual. nt Zorra Mar 2016 #40

this will be the end of the Dem party; totally un-democratic; our nation is in deep crisis; amborin Mar 2016 #41

How many did NYDN contact? GeorgeGist Mar 2016 #42

It will be the end of the Dem party for sure if Bernie wins. That's what he wants. He said so. nt Jitter65 Mar 2016 #43

And end to corporatist ass kissers wing of the party? Human101948 Mar 2016 #66

He won't win the state. nt LexVegas Mar 2016 #45

Let them do it. Maedhros Mar 2016 #51

It won't be an issue for the simple reason that Sanders won't win NY. Beacool Mar 2016 #52

Are you comfortable with those delegates who are sticking with Hillary where Bernie won? Human101948 Mar 2016 #65

I'm not worried about it until the convention. Beacool Mar 2016 #67

So that makes it okay? Human101948 Mar 2016 #69

It is, what it is. Beacool Mar 2016 #75

And it is broken. nt Land of Enchantment Mar 2016 #114

What about superdelegates for Sanders from states that Clinton won? No double standards please. CalvinballPro Mar 2016 #70

Oh, is the fix in? senz Mar 2016 #103

Small problem with your premise. Beacool Mar 2016 #108

Small problem with your reading comprehension. senz Mar 2016 #110

I can read perfectly well, thank you. Beacool Mar 2016 #115

Seems to be a small problem with your premise senz Mar 2016 #117

If they follow through, this is the kind of thing we Bernie supporters need to use BernieforPres2016 Mar 2016 #53

I wouldn't expect them to switch to Sanders if he only pulls out a majority in *that state*. Marr Mar 2016 #55

if she manages to pull this off Merryland Mar 2016 #74

Important point. senz Mar 2016 #116

Their party, their privilege. n/t Orsino Mar 2016 #78

"The point is to allow the superdelegates to overturn the will of the people if they want to." CentralCoaster Mar 2016 #81

The Democratic Party is not a democratic party Cheese Sandwich Mar 2016 #88

people don't like being berated by lunatics at 3 am rbrnmw Mar 2016 #96

We are no longer We the People. Now we are We the Superdelegates. jillan Mar 2016 #99

As if the fix was in. Octafish Mar 2016 #104

OMG is that George Wallace? That sure as hell isn't Lurleen next to him..where did you find this Land of Enchantment Mar 2016 #111

Michael Beschloss checked it out... Octafish Mar 2016 #112

Wowsers. Your mom is a wise lady--reminds me of something about an apple and the tree Land of Enchantment Mar 2016 #118

Wonder how she got them to give up any pretense of democracy? senz Mar 2016 #106

I just spent an hour trying to find a video of Donna Brazile's response to Bill Press Land of Enchantment Mar 2016 #107

Donna Brazille can barely Funtatlaguy Mar 2016 #109

That's pretty much what I'm hearing here, Blue_In_AK Mar 2016 #119

Discouraging as hell... HughLefty1 Mar 2016 #122

This is a state dominated by financial services.. speaktruthtopower Mar 2016 #120

Didn't they make changes to the delegate rules during the primary season in 2008? beedle Mar 2016 #121