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merrily

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37. Not only embarrassing, but damaging. I've sat on hiring committees. Trust me, it doesn't take
Thu Mar 31, 2016, 01:37 PM
Mar 2016

much to make them skittish, especially if a high paying, high responsibility job is at stake.

Failure to hire is a much harder case to prove than discrimination on the job. It's much easier to turn away on woman on the ground that no one wants to hire a lawyer and shlep to the EEOC because someone said something, even positive, about her hair.

I hasten to add that the committees on which I served were striving for diversity. Still...they were skittish. I also know how skittish companies are when someone hired because of striving for fairness and diversity performs at less than expected levels. The whole discussion is about how to go about easing out that person uber fairly and, if fairness doesn't fix the problem, then in a way that he or she has no grounds to sue. We went through no such drills when white males under performed or were a poor fit.

All you have to do is add on top of that an even higher likelihood that a woman might play the gender card over almost anything; and it could be a real problem for women seeking work, especially high paying work. Easing someone out in an uber fair and lawsuit proof (one hopes) way gets pretty expensive at $200K a year or more, plus nice benefits.

Yes, lying has a sex. merrily Mar 2016 #1
A few months of Sanders getting ribbed on comedy shows is not the same thing as 20 years CalvinballPro Mar 2016 #4
Your imagination is certainly active. I made no such request. If I had, you have no authority to merrily Mar 2016 #10
+1 daleanime Mar 2016 #38
Claiming sexism is pretty much all they have got now, I think. djean111 Mar 2016 #8
Sexism and racism. As it was in 2008, so it now and probably ever shall be. merrily Mar 2016 #11
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It all makes sense now..... daleanime Mar 2016 #41
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lol 840high Mar 2016 #74
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Glad you got a laugh. Those are rarer and rarer on DU anymore. merrily Mar 2016 #95
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John Edwards' hair, 2007 RadiationTherapy Mar 2016 #22
Yes, and that started a trail that led to his prosecution, but my hair comment was an aside. merrily Mar 2016 #28
No, of course not. Females' appearances are very much more scrutinized. RadiationTherapy Mar 2016 #45
Edwards haircut was neither a sexism issue nor a classism issue, but a use of campaign funds issue. merrily Mar 2016 #49
Well, it certainly is a classism issue to me - as is the notion that such behavior RadiationTherapy Mar 2016 #59
Had Edwards paid for the haircut from his own funds, as he had all his life, the price of the cut merrily Mar 2016 #65
All good. thanks for the chat. RadiationTherapy Mar 2016 #70
Ann Coulter used to call him "The Breck Girl"... Miles Archer Mar 2016 #71
I've just celebrated my 30th year of Barbering Jennylynn Mar 2016 #84
I agree! I couldn't believe it at the time either. But then I began to study communication RadiationTherapy Mar 2016 #86
nothing fries my butt like hearing words like they said here. What the roguevalley Mar 2016 #90
. merrily Mar 2016 #96
Poor, poor Hillary. She's just another powerless female being battered by the masses. Vinca Mar 2016 #2
Not only embarrassing, but damaging. I've sat on hiring committees. Trust me, it doesn't take merrily Mar 2016 #37
Nah. KPN Mar 2016 #3
Isn't it just as sexist that she as known as the most admired Woman in the world for 20 years. Hiraeth Mar 2016 #5
Different categories came into being for good reasons. merrily Mar 2016 #17
Ironic that you count a sister college whose existence is only due to the Ivy league not admitting dsc Mar 2016 #39
Was my comment ironic, or was my comment a function of reality at the time? It was Ivy League, not merrily Mar 2016 #44
Oconnor graduated law school in 52 dsc Mar 2016 #54
In the history of lawyers nearly two decades is not that long. merrily Mar 2016 #56
How does someone like that get most admired? admired for what? Hiraeth Mar 2016 #40
First Ladies have tended to get on most admired lists, but then they gradually disappear merrily Mar 2016 #51
Hillary has made it a point (her job) to stay in the public eye. Tenacity, she has it. Hiraeth Mar 2016 #52
I would say personal political ambition, but yes, persisting is usually part of merrily Mar 2016 #57
Of course she is ambitious but, -I- don't paticularly admire ambitious people. Hiraeth Mar 2016 #72
I merely observed that you and Iwould word our respective descriptions of her differently. merrily Mar 2016 #76
yes, it sounds like you are trying to argue with me. Hiraeth Mar 2016 #79
Calling Bullshit on Calling Sexist Bullshit Meteor Man Mar 2016 #6
What is it when you don't trust a man? whatchamacallit Mar 2016 #7
Same thing: lying. merrily Mar 2016 #18
That's what I figured whatchamacallit Mar 2016 #24
You lie, you say things that may be technically true, but are misleading because of what you leave merrily Mar 2016 #67
Oh please....fail. haikugal Mar 2016 #9
We didn't hold any other Secretary of State responsible... Blanks Mar 2016 #13
She was questioned, not jailed, ffs. That does not equate to being held responsible. merrily Mar 2016 #23
You think it's ok that they're using a different standard? Blanks Mar 2016 #82
My prior post explained that the situations are not the same at all. merrily Mar 2016 #83
'They' are racist as well as misogynist... Blanks Mar 2016 #94
So if Clinton gets the nomination, and B2G Mar 2016 #14
Does he even know what sexist means? Politicalboi Mar 2016 #15
What the Clinton supporters never tell you is what percentage of the vote Beowulf Mar 2016 #16
You're right...at least for 2015... Bodych Mar 2016 #25
Let me guess rock Mar 2016 #29
You are correct. It is a guess. Beowulf Mar 2016 #87
They should change it to "most famous woman" BernieforPres2016 Mar 2016 #46
I've wondered about that data... loyalsister Mar 2016 #89
When cornered, play the gender card Doctor_J Mar 2016 #20
Hillary has never lied and is perfect in every way except for her lack of a Y chromosome. Scuba Mar 2016 #21
Impressive. Even Mary Poppins was only practically perfect in every way! nt Buns_of_Fire Mar 2016 #58
Maybe it's because she's lied in the past that people expect she'll lie again revbones Mar 2016 #26
Really? Because I'm no fan of Bill either. Maybe it isn't an issue of gender. Ed Suspicious Mar 2016 #27
Good point. He wasn't called "Slick Willie" and the "Teflon President" for nothing. merrily Mar 2016 #66
When you make false charges of sexism you are hurting people that really suffer from sexism. Skwmom Mar 2016 #30
Bingo-- Nail on head Armstead Mar 2016 #34
Great Comment (EOM) Bodych Mar 2016 #50
Of course it is Bjornsdotter Mar 2016 #31
I don't trust Ted Cruz either. He's not a female. notadmblnd Mar 2016 #32
I keep hearing this 'millennials don't trust Hillary' thing for a while and I've wondered at it. apnu Mar 2016 #33
Yep this is all they have. Kalidurga Mar 2016 #35
So I'm a sexist woman who is going to hell, then. GreenPartyVoter Mar 2016 #36
Not a lot of cards are left in that deck. Autumn Mar 2016 #42
Here's hoping the joker shows up soon. merrily Mar 2016 #55
NOW, the organization that changed their definition of sexual harrassment BernieforPres2016 Mar 2016 #43
Women can't be untrustworthy? arcane1 Mar 2016 #47
Hillary will be making a tragic mistake if she officially runs as a "woman" candidate. Zen Democrat Mar 2016 #48
Really? dr60omg Mar 2016 #60
just ask Qadafi how trustworthy she is AgerolanAmerican Mar 2016 #61
Terry O'Neill is spouting "sexist bullshit" k8conant Mar 2016 #62
Terry O'Neill trying to change the definition of sexual harrassment back BernieforPres2016 Mar 2016 #63
Why does O'Neill think I should trust this? It's patriarchy enforcing loads of bullshit: Bluenorthwest Mar 2016 #64
All one has to do is listen Terry. Watch out for sniper fire along the way. EndElectoral Mar 2016 #68
oh wah! grasswire Mar 2016 #69
I don't agree with this. Blue_In_AK Mar 2016 #73
I had to k/r for the laughs. 840high Mar 2016 #75
Some say the same thing about Bill -- Is that also sexist? TheDormouse Mar 2016 #77
The sexism charge: a long dead horse beaten to a pulp. Betty Karlson Mar 2016 #78
Bernie's criticisms would be sexist if he was Clinton Prism Mar 2016 #80
So my wife, a VP in a fairly big corp, is sexist?? jmg257 Mar 2016 #81
I never say this. I trust her. JackRiddler Mar 2016 #85
Reproductive health decisions? Does she mean the ones Hillary is against women making CharlotteVale Mar 2016 #88
That article starts with an interesting quote: Karma13612 Mar 2016 #91
omg.. dana_b Mar 2016 #92
Feminists are setting back their own cause with this kind of blather Armstead Mar 2016 #93
What nonsense. WestSeattle2 Mar 2016 #98
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