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2016 Postmortem

In reply to the discussion: Bernie just won Nevada! [View all]

Perogie

(687 posts)
90. They do count if you show up
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 08:26 PM
Apr 2016

That's how it works. It's an easy process, you're making it more difficult. Plus saying why should people show up if their vote doesn't count shows that you have no clue how it works.

Simple Caucus
People show up and delegates are assigned each candidate
Later date those delegates show up for official count.

If the Hillary people were too lazy to show up it's not the fault of the caucus or Sanders. It's the LAZY Hillary people that are at fault.

Bernie just won Nevada! [View all] Nevernose Apr 2016 OP
yayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy!! grasswire Apr 2016 #1
Do you have a link? :) beam me up scottie Apr 2016 #2
this op shows the count being announced..made me smile questionseverything Apr 2016 #228
From Sanders Nevada subreddit.... GeorgiaPeanuts Apr 2016 #3
Yes! Ed Suspicious Apr 2016 #5
Wow! #enthusiasmgap.... it's bigger than we thought! reformist2 Apr 2016 #161
So screw the will of the people who attended the caucuses? Agschmid Apr 2016 #4
The caucus system disenfranchises far more voters Dem2 Apr 2016 #7
No the caucuses are a joke, and continue to be one. Agschmid Apr 2016 #96
your side didn't care enough to show up roguevalley Apr 2016 #136
We are on the same side, especially when it comes to the GE. Agschmid Apr 2016 #137
There are definately TWO sides Pastiche423 Apr 2016 #166
Well then why are you complaining about the "will of the people" when we are all on the totodeinhere Apr 2016 #215
Apparently fairness only matters for ONE side? Dem2 Apr 2016 #227
Hillary delegates failed to show up. That's on their head nt riderinthestorm Apr 2016 #9
That is really weird. You'd think if you were appointed to represent the people in your county . . Major Hogwash Apr 2016 #148
that lack of Hillary enthusiasm is biting her in the ass virtualobserver Apr 2016 #14
+1 nashville_brook Apr 2016 #115
That is a false conclusion. sadoldgirl Apr 2016 #15
The Hillary delegates didn't bother to show up. That's on their backs. Autumn Apr 2016 #19
I agree. The Clinton supporters that didn't show up should be ashamed. Gore1FL Apr 2016 #22
It's more Clinton's organization, IMO Nevernose Apr 2016 #86
I have the name and phone number of all the delegates artislife Apr 2016 #162
Yea..I agree but that is way it is. Gwhittey Apr 2016 #25
The process is that they have to show up for second meeting Perogie Apr 2016 #50
Caucuses disenfranchise, and this is just another reason why. Agschmid Apr 2016 #99
they disenfranchised themselves. Bernie people showed and honored their pledge. hrc folks didnt roguevalley Apr 2016 #139
Nobody was disenfranchised. totodeinhere Apr 2016 #219
This is a continuation of the delegate allocation process which began morningfog Apr 2016 #100
Those are the rules and they suck. Agschmid Apr 2016 #126
I fully agree with you. morningfog Apr 2016 #131
Thanks. Agschmid Apr 2016 #133
Yes the whole super delegate thing is a joke Pharaoh Apr 2016 #140
2012 Ron Paul eventually won Iowa for the same reason, his delegates showed up, Mitt's did not. Turn CO Blue Apr 2016 #101
Not at all. The precinct caucuses were only the first step. totodeinhere Apr 2016 #214
Hillary's delegates switched to Bernie once they got to know him shawn703 Apr 2016 #216
The problem is that the Clinton delegates aren't very committed. So blame us? nm rhett o rick Apr 2016 #222
Where do you see me placing blame? Agschmid Apr 2016 #226
Gee, I wonder how, and if, the corporate media will cover this.... daleanime Apr 2016 #6
Your popcorn has no movie.... nt SusanCalvin Apr 2016 #20
...... daleanime Apr 2016 #71
Hey, that sounds good. Thanks! nt SusanCalvin Apr 2016 #75
"By the same staff who brought you 'Anohana'"... Wednesdays Apr 2016 #234
But a real good... daleanime Apr 2016 #236
Bernie people are okay with thwarting the will of voters geek tragedy Apr 2016 #8
Oh FFS, Hillary’s delegates failed to show up. riderinthestorm Apr 2016 #12
Just like Bernie's voters in AZ couldn't figure out how to vote early. geek tragedy Apr 2016 #27
Not the same thing at all, but I suspect azmom Apr 2016 #30
+1! NWCorona Apr 2016 #39
You are truly comparing those two? nadinbrzezinski Apr 2016 #33
I'm comparing the justifications geek tragedy Apr 2016 #42
There is no requirement for us to vote early in AZ. azmom Apr 2016 #44
Three points nadinbrzezinski Apr 2016 #79
No you're not. You're just desperately flailing. Again. Lizzie Poppet Apr 2016 #205
But delegates should know a bit more about the details than normal voters, shouldn't they? nt. polly7 Apr 2016 #41
One would think.... nt SusanCalvin Apr 2016 #65
Lol, sure. Go with that. riderinthestorm Apr 2016 #46
Bernie will pick up net 6 delegates from this. geek tragedy Apr 2016 #51
He won the system as it exists. Hillary (and her delegates) could have done the same. SusanCalvin Apr 2016 #68
Never mind. He might gain 1 delegate. That's it. nt geek tragedy Apr 2016 #70
OK. That's not the real point anyway. SusanCalvin Apr 2016 #77
I suppose they would have if they could have BUT problem wasn't late voting it was when Seeinghope Apr 2016 #111
You are deliberately stating a falsehood by claiming that Clinton geek tragedy Apr 2016 #117
First of all what happened in AZ is voter fraud Seeinghope Apr 2016 #187
Sanders got his ass kicked fair and square. geek tragedy Apr 2016 #195
If you call that fair and square than I'm glad that I wouldn't ever have to put my trust in you Seeinghope Apr 2016 #201
Those of us who live in the reality-based community do nt geek tragedy Apr 2016 #224
They showed up to vote. Luminous Animal Apr 2016 #150
I thought you had said Hillary had more enthusiastic supporters... GeorgiaPeanuts Apr 2016 #13
why couldn't the Hillary people be counted on. Don't they give a shit? virtualobserver Apr 2016 #17
Why couldn't Bernie voters figure out how to vote early in Arizona? geek tragedy Apr 2016 #24
were not talking about voters here....these were supposedly committed Hillary delegates? virtualobserver Apr 2016 #56
Maybe if they knew that there would be Politicalboi Apr 2016 #118
The Arizona official responsible for those voting places geek tragedy Apr 2016 #119
See #16. nt SusanCalvin Apr 2016 #18
See my other posts, no moral credibility for Bernie people to complain geek tragedy Apr 2016 #29
You think I'm going to look up all your other posts? SusanCalvin Apr 2016 #37
basically don't want to hear any more bleating about AZ geek tragedy Apr 2016 #45
Don't click, then. nt SusanCalvin Apr 2016 #47
You might want to go tell that to the ARIZONA DEMOCRATIC PARTY nadinbrzezinski Apr 2016 #165
Talking about people trying to question the legitimacy geek tragedy Apr 2016 #184
Now I love backpedals nadinbrzezinski Apr 2016 #189
Did the Sanders delegates make the Clinton delegates not show up? JackRiddler Apr 2016 #26
The centuries old method -- Garlic Clove Necklaces TheBlackAdder Apr 2016 #194
you have no clue how the process works Perogie Apr 2016 #54
Yes, it's a double caucus format geek tragedy Apr 2016 #59
These were committed Hillary delegates who failed to show up nt riderinthestorm Apr 2016 #66
I love it. They should have known better and apparently didn't. nt SusanCalvin Apr 2016 #72
We clearly disagree on Sanders/Clinton Nevernose Apr 2016 #78
And, for better/worse this doesn't dramatically affect geek tragedy Apr 2016 #83
Uh, then why are you "bleating"? SusanCalvin Apr 2016 #93
They do count if you show up Perogie Apr 2016 #90
Or possibly uninformed, but, yep same general idea. SusanCalvin Apr 2016 #102
The delegates were elected at the precint caucuses. pugetres Apr 2016 #157
Hillary's delegates switched to Bernie when they got to know him shawn703 Apr 2016 #217
I'm not. srobert Apr 2016 #230
6000 votes? total? wow there are more people at the local shopping mall than that nt msongs Apr 2016 #10
DELEGATES not votes oregonjen Apr 2016 #21
Lol, I think you are really confused! Nt Logical Apr 2016 #225
Is this what they mean by "claw back"? Fairgo Apr 2016 #11
Claw back! Hahaha that stings. nt thereismore Apr 2016 #159
So Arizona has a two-step? SusanCalvin Apr 2016 #16
This message was self-deleted by its author OKNancy Apr 2016 #23
Is this confirmed? senseandsensibility Apr 2016 #28
Yes the Clark Count Democratic Party announced the final count on twitter GeorgiaPeanuts Apr 2016 #31
Clinton won the popular vote by 10% Sanders wins the caucus of delegates geek tragedy Apr 2016 #34
Popular by 5% Nevernose Apr 2016 #61
I thought Nevada was a tie. Still a tie right? Cheese Sandwich Apr 2016 #32
This message was self-deleted by its author GeorgiaPeanuts Apr 2016 #35
Sanders will win more DNC delegates from Nevada despite losing the day of the caucus vote geek tragedy Apr 2016 #36
I don't think this will change the final delegate count at all. Cheese Sandwich Apr 2016 #53
In your opinion. SusanCalvin Apr 2016 #55
Do we have conformation? Autumn Apr 2016 #38
Yes GeorgiaPeanuts Apr 2016 #43
I'm in the room. Nevernose Apr 2016 #48
Next time, we should have no delegates and just use the popular vote Eric J in MN Apr 2016 #40
Oh, absolutely. SusanCalvin Apr 2016 #60
Clark County not Nevada OKNancy Apr 2016 #49
No the likely result since Clark is the most populous... GeorgiaPeanuts Apr 2016 #57
Look at the map. Bernie has, also, won all of the other large counties in Nevada. w4rma Apr 2016 #58
If Clark County flips to Bernie, he wins Nevada as far as I can tell nt riderinthestorm Apr 2016 #64
I'm in the County Convention Nevernose Apr 2016 #67
yes, I realize the numbers about Clark county OKNancy Apr 2016 #109
Clark County is 73% of Nevada krawhitham Apr 2016 #145
Just spent the day phone banking for NY and so this horrible news. hrmjustin Apr 2016 #52
Another reason to reject caucuses Nonhlanhla Apr 2016 #62
As a Sanders supporter, I agree with you. nt riderinthestorm Apr 2016 #69
I really don't like the caucus system Tom Rinaldo Apr 2016 #81
Yes, I know the Bernie camp did not do anything wrong here Nonhlanhla Apr 2016 #110
It should be voting by paper ballot and counted with all there..nothing else. no caucus no bkkyosemite Apr 2016 #144
So why didn't the Clinton delegates show up? Did BernieBro's threaten them? Or were ... Scuba Apr 2016 #63
IRL I see none of DU's animosities Nevernose Apr 2016 #74
Thanks for the reports--reminds me of CoffeeCat in Iowa. nt Land of Enchantment Apr 2016 #91
Remember if this happens in reverse you cannot complain KingFlorez Apr 2016 #73
No problem. nt SusanCalvin Apr 2016 #80
I think electing county delegates who then have to meet to elect state delegates later sucks Tom Rinaldo Apr 2016 #88
And Sanders supporters scream about Superdelegates being undemocratic. Metric System Apr 2016 #76
Super delegates ARE undemocratic Nevernose Apr 2016 #82
Caucuses are not democratic. They do not represent one person, one vote and they disenfranchise Metric System Apr 2016 #87
I agree that primaries are far more democratic Tom Rinaldo Apr 2016 #97
Yes, but leave out the supers and they are not tied. SusanCalvin Apr 2016 #107
No one stops people from showing up to a caucus. Perogie Apr 2016 #103
Caucusing requires setting aside hours of time and doing a lot of standing around and waiting. You Metric System Apr 2016 #113
Don't be condescending to me Perogie Apr 2016 #146
Apart from winning the elections to either office or DNC whatthehey Apr 2016 #138
Right? wildeyed Apr 2016 #84
No screaming here. SusanCalvin Apr 2016 #85
No wonder Bernie loves the Cacuses, so much easier to disenfranchise voters and synergie Apr 2016 #89
What?!? Nevernose Apr 2016 #94
that's rich Robbins Apr 2016 #105
Good grief. Bernie didn't set up these systems. nt SusanCalvin Apr 2016 #233
I wonder why so many Clinton supporters decided to abandon her campaign? basselope Apr 2016 #92
Or didn't get their information and do their job.... nt SusanCalvin Apr 2016 #95
Me too! NWCorona Apr 2016 #98
It's not that unusual for some delegates to not make the convention. winter is coming Apr 2016 #122
Its a LARGE number. basselope Apr 2016 #154
Buyer's remorse? frylock Apr 2016 #104
Apparently not. Lucinda Apr 2016 #106
I'm literally in the room Nevernose Apr 2016 #108
There may be cause here for the DNC to strip Nevada's delegates and refuse to seat them Tarc Apr 2016 #112
DNC rules mandate that district level delegates reflect caucus voting, not county convention voting Lucinda Apr 2016 #116
Great Googly Moogly, what a mess Tarc Apr 2016 #120
I'm pretty sure there are no such rules jfern Apr 2016 #125
Link: Lucinda Apr 2016 #172
Please quote where you think that rule is at the link Kentonio Apr 2016 #173
The same page number referenced in the graphic in Geek Tragedy's link above. Lucinda Apr 2016 #175
Thank you, I think I see the section you mean. Kentonio Apr 2016 #180
Sorry if it wasn't clear before! I'm multi-tasking badly tonight. Lucinda Apr 2016 #181
Green papers makes it clear it's from the state convention delegates jfern Apr 2016 #207
Since he was down 5, Bernie;s campaign may well think so Jarqui Apr 2016 #127
Thanks for the info. nt SusanCalvin Apr 2016 #142
Not at all. Sanders supporters followed the rules to the letter. totodeinhere Apr 2016 #220
Either way, the Sanders camp is going to get burned (or "Berned", ha ha) on this Tarc Apr 2016 #229
If Clinton does indeed have a field day, SusanCalvin Apr 2016 #231
Appears as though a bunch of Hillary delegates... Herman4747 Apr 2016 #114
When they found out Huerta, Clinton , Gutierrez & Castro lied to them about Jarqui Apr 2016 #129
yep Robbins Apr 2016 #135
Do you really think that is what happened? Major Hogwash Apr 2016 #152
I feel very strongly that those folks lied about Sanders records to get votes. Jarqui Apr 2016 #168
I don't blame them for changing their minds but to assume that their change thereismore Apr 2016 #167
That is what I'm thinking, too. pugetres Apr 2016 #169
But yesterday's headlines said Hillary people are the most motivated... Mudcat Apr 2016 #121
That was an April Fool's story, right? :) reformist2 Apr 2016 #164
... AzDar Apr 2016 #123
WOW. Wonderful News. Has Hillary congratulated Bernie yet? Nanjeanne Apr 2016 #124
I don't know whether they are still calling each other after every contest, but there is no reason StevieM Apr 2016 #130
Yeah, baby!!!!!!!!!!!!!! PatrickforO Apr 2016 #128
Happy! kgnu_fan Apr 2016 #132
Nevada is a Clinton win, just like it was in 2008. StevieM Apr 2016 #134
It would be if the popular vote tally had even one damn thing to do with the nominating process Bluenorthwest Apr 2016 #158
Nope. Hillary beat Obama in Nevada in 2008 and Sanders in 2016. StevieM Apr 2016 #178
lol SoLeftIAmRight Apr 2016 #183
You are wrong for several reasons. StevieM Apr 2016 #188
lol SoLeftIAmRight Apr 2016 #190
Nothing you wrote here has anything to do with how we declare winners and losers StevieM Apr 2016 #200
Nice. Bernie can only win by disenfranchising voters. Dawson Leery Apr 2016 #141
AFAIK, not what happened here. nt SusanCalvin Apr 2016 #143
Clinton delegates didn't show up. smiley Apr 2016 #147
Becuase the clinton supporters did not show up? nadinbrzezinski Apr 2016 #149
Highly unfair that they have to show up twice. Dawson Leery Apr 2016 #151
Actually, Bernie wins those. basselope Apr 2016 #155
Super delegates are also unfair. smiley Apr 2016 #156
Look this happened in AK to Bernie delegates nadinbrzezinski Apr 2016 #160
Yep. SusanCalvin Apr 2016 #197
What Ralston is saying is the more technical side of this nadinbrzezinski Apr 2016 #202
No practical difference (one hopes), but it is fun SusanCalvin Apr 2016 #203
Now you realize that if people in California ask nadinbrzezinski Apr 2016 #206
Thank you for doing what you do. SusanCalvin Apr 2016 #210
You welcome nadinbrzezinski Apr 2016 #211
oh yeah, like Arizona? dana_b Apr 2016 #218
Debunked RandySF Apr 2016 #153
Again: I am STILL in the room Nevernose Apr 2016 #185
They f'ed up, why let down the voters that elected them....n/t pantsonfire Apr 2016 #237
Let's see: aspirant Apr 2016 #163
So all of the Hillarybots here SheilaT Apr 2016 #170
I do not think too many people (on both sides mind you) nadinbrzezinski Apr 2016 #174
But the people who participate in the caucuses and SheilaT Apr 2016 #177
It goes as well for CA delegates nadinbrzezinski Apr 2016 #179
Remember, Harry Reid had a hand in making sure union workers FlatBaroque Apr 2016 #193
Bingo! Punkingal Apr 2016 #221
Or those he rounded up could not make yesterday's caucus? SusanCalvin Apr 2016 #232
Thank you for participating! riderinthestorm Apr 2016 #171
What's interesting is both candidates were missing a substantial amount of delegates. RichVRichV Apr 2016 #176
Interesting that each candidate had a SheilaT Apr 2016 #182
If what's being posted at the Las Vegas Sun is true, there might be more to this then just RichVRichV Apr 2016 #191
Totally true, but also accurate Nevernose Apr 2016 #198
If that's true then how did Bernie go from being down 847 delegates in the county to being up 578? RichVRichV Apr 2016 #208
Exactly that. Nevernose Apr 2016 #223
I'm ecstatic that Bernie won, but caucuses are bullshit Nevernose Apr 2016 #186
Actually FAR fewer delegates than that Nevernose Apr 2016 #204
K&R quantumjunkie Apr 2016 #192
When I do a Google search the headlines look like there's a lot of disagreement as to who won Nevada drm604 Apr 2016 #196
"A binding Presidential Preference vote will occur by 10AM PDT on 14 May" w4rma Apr 2016 #235
Lucy Flores says Sanders in her tweet Nanjeanne Apr 2016 #199
What it comes down to... Else You Are Mad Apr 2016 #209
Sanders pulls a win in Clark County after county Democratic convention Miles Archer Apr 2016 #212
Holly molly nadinbrzezinski Apr 2016 #213
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