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kristopher

(29,798 posts)
146. My attitude is fixed by historical precedent that says your claims are full of crap.
Wed Apr 6, 2016, 11:24 AM
Apr 2016

First they laugh
Address of Nicholas Klein
Mr. President and Friends:
I did not expect to be called upon at this very moment at least; because of the presence of my good friend and colleague, who has just come to you from the City of Washington, with a message of encouragement I have no doubt. I was asked when I approached the platform to say some few words of encouragement to the Schloss Brothers strikers of Baltimore. I can only say this, that much more
than I could say this morning has already been demonstrated here on this platform and in this hall. The marching around of the men and the women this morning, and the standing up of the groups of delegates from the various cities, was indeed an inspiring spectacle to my mind.

I believe that they have been on strike for five consecutive weeks. The strikers now realize what war means.

And they also realize no doubt what Sherman said about war, because, my friends, a strike is a war, the two contending forces fighting like separate armies, each for its share of the spoils in this world today.

The speaker this morning, the Chairman or the co-worker of Baltimore, said that a settlement was about to be had, and he expected to announce before the adjournment of your convention a settlement of this strike. My friends, I hope that is true. I hope that the Schloss Brothers strikers are going to win a splendid victory! (Applause.)

There never has been such a wonderful opportunity for labor as presents Itself this very moment.

But, my friends, I have in mind this, and I say this to the strikers and I say this to the delegates. Labor just now is in the flower of its manhood. Just like this beautiful spring day, when the buds are beginning to open, so labor is coming into its own. But, my friends, that is due in great measure not so much to your stand either as workingmen or working-women, but to the peculiar economic status which has been brought about by the war. And I say to you, my friends, that perhaps after this war— and that is not so far off— a chance will come to you strikers, and to you workers, to show not by applause, but by action, how much per cent, you feel for organised labor. Because, my friends, after this war, there will be a great unemployment problem. The munition plants will be closed and useless, and millions of munitions workers will be thrown out upon the market. And then the time will come to show whether you strikers and you workers believe one hundred per cent, for organized labor or only 35 per cent. Because, my friends, my good friend is he who is with me when the storms are beating, when I am hungry, when I have no money, when everybody is spitting on me, when I am in jail; and then, when a man comes to me and says, "I am with you; have courage; I'm your friend!" that man is my brother— that man is two hundred per cent., because that man is not a sunshine friend. Sunshine friends organized labor can get now. Sunshine friends organized labor can get when it is victorious, when it’s on top. But the true test will come to you, strikers, and to you workers, in just a short time. To you strikers, who have been holding out five weeks. I may say a word of courage, and that is this: When you go into the Amalgamated Clothing Workers of America, you are going into a real organized Union, not a bosses' union. You are going into a union made up of those who have ideals, of those who believe in you, of those who are working for you, of those who are using every energy and every effort, not for politics, but to make it better for you in the shop, not because of a label, but because you are workers and you produce all the wealth.

And I say to you, stick to that union. That union means just what it says. It’s a Union of organized forces In America in the needle trades.
So, my friends, without taking up any more time, let me say to you, and without being pessimistic, that there will be evil days coming. And they are not so far off. I wonder how many of the membership of New York and Chicago and all over the country are so solidified and will stick to the Union, to the Amalgamated, when the time comes— when the call comes, and you are put to the test. Will you be a real soldier in a grand army of labor, or will you be one of those stragglers who only come in to get two dollars or more wages per week? That is going to be the great problem.

And the education of your membership now, the solidifying of your forces now, the making of your lines strong now, my friends, is the big, big question, and it can. be done—anything can be done if a union of one hundred thousand members can be organized in three years like has been so wonderfully done here by your leaders and by your officers and your membership, my friends, anything is possible. Education is possible, and the winning of strikes is possible.

Let me close just now by giving you a little story that I have given you once before. I close by telling you the story, because I think it explains better than anything else, at this time, the great possibilities which can come to labor. There is a story told about the making of the first railway. There was an old man, it is said, whose name was Stevenson, who made the first locomotive. You know, just like in the labor movement they said locomotives were impossible. You had to have horses or cattle to pull a train; that nothing would go without something being attached to it there would be no loco motion.

And when old man Stevenson proposed a train— something to be run without the aid of horses or oxen, he was ridiculed. One day a test was made, and they laid two pieces of wood and upon these two pieces of wood they placed some thin sheets of metal, and upon that crude arrangement was placed the first locomotive.

And it is said in this story that thousands of people were out to see the first test of that locomotive, and of course the people all shouted, and pointed to their heads, and said the man was crazy, and they said the locomotive was out of question; it was impossible. And the crowd yelled out: "You old foggy fool! You can't do it! You can't do It!" And the same everywhere. The old man was in the cab, and somebody fired a pistol and the signal was given. He pulled the throttle open and the engine shot out, and in their amazement the crowd, not knowing how to answer to that argument, yelled out: "You old fool! You can't stop it! You can't stop it! You can't stop it!" (Applause.)
And my friends, in this story you have a history of this entire movement.
First they ignore you. Then they ridicule you. And then they attack you and want to burn you. And then they build monuments to you.
And that is what is going to happen to the Amalgamated Clothing Workers of America.
And I say, courage to the strikers, and courage to the delegates, because great times are coming, stressful days are here, and I hope your hearts will be strong, and I hope you will be one hundred per cent union when it comes! (Great applause.)

President HILLMAN: I am sure that Congressman London needs no introduction to this convention. I take great pleasure in calling upon Congressman Meyer London to address this convention.
Congressman London received an ovation, everybody rising and cheering wildly.


Congressman London's Address
Chairman and Delegates to the Amalgamated Convention:
It was with a great deal of hesitation that I left the city of Washington even for a couple of hours and absented myself from a part of the session. It has fallen to me to be a member of the American Congress at a time when the world is aflame, when every thing is in the crucible, when the flux is more rapid than ever in the history of the martyrdom of the race. And it has fallen to my lot in this hour of stress to represent a minority view— to speak for those who have been voiceless for a long time, to speak for the tomorrow or the day to come. And every ounce of my energy, all I have and all that I expect to develop, all my spiritual, Intellectual and physical strength is devoted to the task before me.

I always find inexpressible pleasure In addressing a gathering of union men. The greatest event in history was the organization of the first labor union. It is when the man who is at the very bottom of the social scale, when the worker upon whose shoulders rests all the weight and all the burden of society, it is when he arises, when he begins to claim a share in the world— not only better clothing and better shoes and a better home, but when he demands access to the world's treasures of learning and knowledge, accumulated for centuries, when he begins to draw upon the reservoir of wisdom and intelligence and of education, it is then that mankind begins to move forward.

It is organized labor— united labor— that will push the world forward, and when we speak of organized labor I know that your convention and your organization occupies at the present moment a unique position. It looks as if you are isolated. But that will not be for long. I know that all of you, your leaders as well as the men In the ranks, will use the first opportunity to see to it that you become a part and parcel of the united
labor movement which will embrace the entire country and the entire world.

Labor cannot afford to be selfish or sectarian or aristocratic. That has been the curse of the labor movement for years.

The clothing worker, the ladies' garment worker and the tailor,was the most despised of all workers. You know that old English proverb "It takes nine tailors to make a man." That proverb came about in a very peculiar way.

In olden days men were as foolish in matters of dress as women are today and it required a dozen tailors to make up one man. It required an extra tailor to prepare the half-trousers for him, and the vest, and the coat, and the lapels, and all sorts of frills, so that the proverb was created that "It takes nine tailors to make one man." But others have applied it as a term of reproach and contempt for the tailor, for the clothing worker.

And it was a term of reproach, thirty years ago, before the great labor masses in the tailoring trades saw the light. Now It is a pleasure, it is an honor, to speak to organized tailors because we see in them not only the clothing worker, not only the man who is in love with a bundle, not only the man who seeks the improvement of his immediate conditions, but a man who has a vision, who looks into the future, who studies and reads and thinks and who Is In the forefront of the labor movement, striving toward genuine progress.

There is nothing to be despised about the tailor today. No bricklayers' convention and no railroad workers' convention and no telegraphers' convention can present that volume of Idealism, of striving and craving for the better, that our conventions present. And that is why we are today in the vanguard of the labor movement. We have broken away from the past. We are not destroyers, but we have stopped licking the dust of the past. So far as our ideals are concerned, we always know that they will become a reality when you have your feet on the ground and when you fight now and here for Immediate improvements, always guided by a big broad desire to improve not only your own conditions but the conditions of the world. It is this combination of the ideal and the practical that is characteristic of our union. We cannot build the cooperative commonwealth unless you build better men today. The union builds and creates that soul which is essential for the world to travel forward.

The sailor is made on the sea and in the storm, the soldier on the firing line. The man that will build a future society must begin building his character and his manhood and his moral strength and develop his fibre as a fighter today and here in the fights for the betterment of the conditions of the workers.

I recall having read a beautiful sketch by one of the great Russian writers, Andreyev. He pictures a skillful aviator— a man who in a very short time acquired a reputation as the best aviator in the country. He had the very best machine. He was to give an exhibition of his skill and adroitness. And as he went up, the plaudits of the crowd accompanying him, he looked with contempt on the crowd below him. All was so petty and so small and and so sordid. And he said, “I will go up higher and higher and away from this crowd of small men, and away from the little things and away from the commonplace. And as he went up high he determined to make this circle still wider and still higher, and up he went higher and higher and higher, and wider and wider was the sphere that he soared away from the low, away from the contemptible, away from the little men and women who Inhabit the earth— higher and higher. He refused to come down. Every thing below was so sordid. But he did come down, and his machine came down, a dead machine with a dead aviator.

The Idealist who starts out with a complete disregard for things as they are, who believes that this world is sordid and small, that the fight for wages and for hours is too petty a thing, that what we ought to do is to reorganize the entire society, all at once, and build up a cooperative commonwealth beginning from the twentieth floor, is like that aviator. He will go up higher and higher Into wider and wider spheres away from everything small, but he will come down a dead man in a dead machine.

The man who fights today for things worth while is the man who builds the world.

I am glad to see that the great majority, if not all of the members of this union in this great crisis of the world, realizes that the last man in the world to scab against Uncle Sam is a member of organized labor and a member of a union.
I did my part in the Congress of the United States representing that body of thought which I as a Socialist stood for and stand for today. I know that labor, always capable of realizing the necessity of utilizing every existing force for the improvement of conditions will take the practical view. And what means the practical view? Is the word "practical" a contemptible term? No. What does It mean? When we use that word from the platform of a labor convention, It means that which is best fitted to serve our ideals and our purposes. It is in this sense only that we can use the word "practlcal” Any other method is destructive of the very things that we are striving for.
I have tried on the floor of Congress, as I am trying every where else, to destroy the idea that war times are not times for improvements. I tried in the last argument on the so-called sedition bill to prove that it is in war times that we are to make changes which are necessary to put society on a proper basis. It is when the nation is put to stress, when all its energy is called Into action, when all its resources are needed, It is then that we find what is wrong with us. It is then that we discover what is defective in our economics and in our politics. It is then that every weak spot appears on the surface.
Twenty-nine out of every 100 men who appeared to be examined for military service were found to be physically defective. There is a condition which we never understood before. That fact faces us today. And the fact is so apparent, so eloquent, so clear, so convincing that we cannot postpone the removal of that horrible fact until the war ls over. If we need strong men to fight the nation's fights and the world's fights in times of war, we insist that we shall have strong men In times of peace and forever.
Special students of American conditions knew that there was illiteracy in some sections, but now, when In the camps thousands of young men appeared who did not know enough English to understand a command, they realize that It Is essential that illiteracy be removed and that intelligence and knowledge are just as essential as bread and shelter.

We all knew in peaceful times that profiteering was a curse. But imagine the situation today. Some body asked me on the floor of Congress whether I would favor a strike in the trenches. I said "No." Why not? Because in the trenches the rich boy and the poor boy, the banker's son and the bricklayer, are standing shoulder to shoulder pouring out their blood. The rich man's son does not try to get into the poor man's pocket and pick out his change. The rich man's son will exploit the poor man's son over here in industry. The very reverse takes place of what takes place on the battlefield. And that is why we must be energetic, strong and courageous. We are not going to scab on Uncle Sam, but we don't want any profiteer to scab on us!
There are great problems now. I don't know whether the statesmen of the world are capable of solving the problems that face the world today. But the British Labor Movement, the French Labor Movement, the Italian Labor Movement, the Labor Movements of the World have their reconstruction program. They speak as brave men, not from books, not from theories, not from little pamphlets. No. In the university of life they have learned a lesson, and the English worker and the French worker insist that when the war is over and when he goes back home he should be not only a partner to the national debt of Great Britain and a part owner of the French national obligations, but that he should have access to the land and to the Industries and that he should be given an opportunity to live a free man's life in a free country.
And when you will be accused— and no one will dare accuse us— of lack of love for these United States, we say that, so far as we are concerned, no matter in what country some of us might have been born, no matter in what country the graves of our fathers may be, this country, where the cradle of our children is standing, is our home and our country! We shall not in this hour of crisis be weak. Now is the time for strong men.

Now friends, you delegates of a union representing laboring men, you are not all the labor movement unfortunately. There are still millions of toilers who don't know, who have not seen the light of organization. There are still millions of men who don't understand the mission of our movement. Let every one of you men and women constitute himself a teacher and an organizer and a leader. Read more, study more, try to understand more. Let not the word "workers" be a term of contempt. Organize, teach, don't throw the burden upon leaders only, because the leader has definite difficult functions to perform. The work of organizing must be done by the masses.
And not only in strikes. Oh, the strike unions! How I despise them! A strike organized, and all the people joining the union by paying in a quarter, and there Is a union man. A scab yesterday, a quarter made him a union man today.That is the wrong kind of unionism.
It takes more sacrifices than that to be a real union man. It takes more manhood to be a union man than the paying in of a quarter. Upon you rests the fate of the world. And so let every one of us become a carrier of light, a propagandist of Ideas, the zealot of a cause, the prophet of a better day, strong men, strong women in this terrible crisis where the world is being drowned in blood. We need every strong man. We need every Intelligent man, we need every Intelligent woman and more energy, more faith, more love for humanity!

A great ovation was given Congressman London upon the conclusion of his address.

Documentary History of the Amalgamated Clothing Workers of America 1916-1918
Addresses of Nicholas Klein and
Congressman Meyer London
pg 51-55

The problem is what progressives would get with a President Hillary, which is..... daleanime Apr 2016 #1
Nothing? Well, not deconstructing voting rights and women's rights, is better than attacking them Jackie Wilson Said Apr 2016 #2
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So Donald Trump or Ted Cruz as president is OK with you....got it. Jackie Wilson Said Apr 2016 #4
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I'm minority also, newbie leftynyc Apr 2016 #46
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Yeah, cuz "being Democrats" means leaving your principles at the door, right? nt revbones Apr 2016 #65
Do whatever you like leftynyc Apr 2016 #74
Nobody asked you to beg. But your insults and hyperbole aren't going to sway anyone either. revbones Apr 2016 #79
I don't think I've been insulting in the leftynyc Apr 2016 #84
If you don't think your comments are insulting, then you have a lot to learn about civility. revbones Apr 2016 #91
Using that definition leftynyc Apr 2016 #116
I am 50 years old timmymoff Apr 2016 #67
Your choice leftynyc Apr 2016 #72
Go ahead and elect her. timmymoff Apr 2016 #76
One of these days leftynyc Apr 2016 #78
We think anyone timmymoff Apr 2016 #80
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Whose holding you hostage? leftynyc Apr 2016 #132
Hostage may not describe accurately.. Avalon Sparks Apr 2016 #133
They're Progressives first Omega_X Apr 2016 #95
You mention only wedge issues... Avalon Sparks Apr 2016 #117
You can follow me leftynyc Apr 2016 #123
I do understand Avalon Sparks Apr 2016 #125
I'll be voting for whoever leftynyc Apr 2016 #126
I dunno let me think about it, I gotta get back to work Avalon Sparks Apr 2016 #128
You are uninformed. Bush/Cheney destroyed the economy brush Apr 2016 #32
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I am mad at myself for responding to you, didnt realize who you were till just now. Jackie Wilson Said Apr 2016 #11
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How much do you get for this. brush Apr 2016 #35
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Did you read the Sanders interview by the New York Daily News? brush Apr 2016 #57
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anecdote from yesterday ibegurpard Apr 2016 #6
mostly independents elana i am Apr 2016 #7
Sanders or Trump...Dear god help us all. Jackie Wilson Said Apr 2016 #9
So have you finally come out as a Hillarite? panader0 Apr 2016 #25
LOL that one was pretending to be a Bernie supporter? Kalidurga Apr 2016 #36
Yup--for quite a while now panader0 Apr 2016 #38
Very odd they keep thinking we can't read. Kalidurga Apr 2016 #87
Nice try, that anyone would have Bernie and Trump in the same sentence, is ludicrous Jackie Wilson Said Apr 2016 #47
Whats you're definition of younger? bobbobbins01 Apr 2016 #10
I got the impression it was 21-35 or in that ballpark. Jackie Wilson Said Apr 2016 #12
Anyone that is Bernie or bust isn't a progressive. They are a selfish psychopath. nt LexVegas Apr 2016 #13
Not psycopaths, that is way too harsh. But if they are truly liberals in their Jackie Wilson Said Apr 2016 #15
Voting for a candidate you prefer is selfish and psychopathic? Tierra_y_Libertad Apr 2016 #16
"Bernie or bust". Vote for your pref in the primary. Get in line for the GE. Simple. nt LexVegas Apr 2016 #21
You're describing Hillary Politicalboi Apr 2016 #34
no a psychopath would be someone who actually thinks wendylaroux Apr 2016 #60
I vote...for the candidate I prefer. Tierra_y_Libertad Apr 2016 #14
I get the impression your needs are first and foremost and if not met you will Jackie Wilson Said Apr 2016 #17
Don't you vote for the candidate you prefer? Tierra_y_Libertad Apr 2016 #20
Clever but not funny. Sad too. Jackie Wilson Said Apr 2016 #22
You didn't answer the question. Tierra_y_Libertad Apr 2016 #23
Hola Tierra, shadowandblossom Apr 2016 #113
You need to read Sanders interview by the New York Daily News brush Apr 2016 #39
If he's nominated I will vote for him. Tierra_y_Libertad Apr 2016 #45
Did you read the interview? brush Apr 2016 #48
Yes. I did. Tierra_y_Libertad Apr 2016 #55
omg! just stop!!!! nothing,EVER, could be worse then clinton and her nasty past. wendylaroux Apr 2016 #63
Did you read it? brush Apr 2016 #111
So Hillary would be worse than Cruz or Trump, got it. Jackie Wilson Said Apr 2016 #136
you've "got" nothing. wake up brother. wendylaroux Apr 2016 #139
I can't speak for the movement, but I was the first one on DU to use the phrase silvershadow Apr 2016 #27
I'm 55 and female Politicalboi Apr 2016 #29
Read Bernie's interview with the New YorK Daily News and tell me you still support him brush Apr 2016 #37
I am new here but I think this is okay Carolator Apr 2016 #82
It doesn't disturb you that he has no actual plan to get his promises for free college . . . brush Apr 2016 #110
Oh, please. Carolator Apr 2016 #115
Nice try, but new taxes have to get passed by Congress brush Apr 2016 #148
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GOP is counting on that, they are grateful to you. Jackie Wilson Said Apr 2016 #137
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Bernie or Bust, I'm a selfish asshole apparently guess that makes Most of the Country assholes too Joob Apr 2016 #31
If Bernie isnt the nominee, how is not voting going to fix it? Jackie Wilson Said Apr 2016 #53
I'll vote and write in Bernie anyways Joob Apr 2016 #70
GOP thanks you Jackie Wilson Said Apr 2016 #73
What? That fractured party? NP. DNC will follow suite if Bernie doesn't win Joob Apr 2016 #100
I am aware there are many selfish voters. Jackie Wilson Said Apr 2016 #134
Mostly just cranks CorkySt.Clair Apr 2016 #33
The majority of the whining is coming from Hillarians about BoB. frylock Apr 2016 #88
I'm saying I won't vote for someone to kill my grandchildren's ability to live on this onecaliberal Apr 2016 #43
most are older like susan sarandon JI7 Apr 2016 #44
It's not the Bernie or Busters to be worried about Armstead Apr 2016 #52
I'm not Bernie or Bust. I'm more anti-Hillary. bigwillq Apr 2016 #54
GOP and their nonstop 20 year vendetta and campaign to destroy Hillary has Jackie Wilson Said Apr 2016 #58
Naw. She's awful all by herself (nt) bigwillq Apr 2016 #59
not even. there is PLENTY of reason to be critical of her legitimately m-lekktor Apr 2016 #62
LOL Jackie Wilson Said Apr 2016 #68
Perhaps you're gullible. frylock Apr 2016 #90
Or I know as much or more than you about her, am not at all gullible, and still consider her Jackie Wilson Said Apr 2016 #93
I prefer bronchitis over dysentery. frylock Apr 2016 #94
Absurd comment. If you are a woman who may die due to self aborting, maybe you will see then. Jackie Wilson Said Apr 2016 #96
Women are performing self-abortions right now with Obama in office. frylock Apr 2016 #97
Where the GOP runs thing, yes. Glad you agree that we MUST elect whoever the Jackie Wilson Said Apr 2016 #98
That's why I'm voting for the better candidate. frylock Apr 2016 #99
op: "Why else would they threaten to stay home?" iAZZZo Apr 2016 #66
Sure, you dont care if women die from self aborting, right? Jackie Wilson Said Apr 2016 #69
typical of your posts iAZZZo Apr 2016 #71
So Cruz wont work to outlaw abortions? News to me Jackie Wilson Said Apr 2016 #75
typical of your posts, nary a reply to the preceding relative post, just more obfuscation iAZZZo Apr 2016 #81
So we will put you down for not giving a shit about those women. Jackie Wilson Said Apr 2016 #138
The Bernie or bust group Andy823 Apr 2016 #77
Now let's see what this is all about: HRC! sadoldgirl Apr 2016 #83
Not fear mongering, it is the adult conversation. The adults see the forest thru the trees Jackie Wilson Said Apr 2016 #85
Nope. Howler Apr 2016 #101
I turn 40 this month, and I'm BoB. Jester Messiah Apr 2016 #102
I turn 36 this year, still view myself as young. That said I'm also immature and have good genes - MillennialDem Apr 2016 #107
Why is it that for 3 out of every 4 years dflprincess Apr 2016 #103
In my Bernie campaign office most of the BOB's are a broad age range riderinthestorm Apr 2016 #104
60 here but if you want to call me young go ahead. jillan Apr 2016 #105
When your side is telling us to stfu and not even count our vote in the MillennialDem Apr 2016 #106
To the Orginal Post: I have some insight. mehneh Apr 2016 #108
People who don't understand how the two-party system wildeyed Apr 2016 #109
my husband & I will write Bernie's name in, if he's not the nominee; we're not millenials amborin Apr 2016 #112
GOP is grateful. Jackie Wilson Said Apr 2016 #135
Why, you must think that your vote belongs to you, not a party or candidate! Tierra_y_Libertad Apr 2016 #140
I appreciate your sanity. shadowandblossom Apr 2016 #114
We dont have a nominee yet, so the conversation is premature. That said, maybe "the young people" Warren DeMontague Apr 2016 #119
No. LWolf Apr 2016 #130
I think it cuts across age brackets. kristopher Apr 2016 #141
Yeah, I dont like them much either, which has zilch to do with anything Jackie Wilson Said Apr 2016 #142
Nope. This isn't a "lesser of evils" election. kristopher Apr 2016 #144
Good, I will tell that to the dead women's families and the minorities that cant vote. Jackie Wilson Said Apr 2016 #145
My attitude is fixed by historical precedent that says your claims are full of crap. kristopher Apr 2016 #146
"If you claim you are a liberal ..." kristopher Apr 2016 #143
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