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delrem

(9,688 posts)
107. Hillary is responsible for her vote, and her very positive (in favor) speech before the vote,
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 11:05 PM
Apr 2016

so she's responsible for not just her vote but also for how she went out of her way to influence the Democratic party and fellow senators. Yes, she wielded influence! Her husband was POTUS, she was already being touted as a prospective POTUS in waiting, and nobody with any credibility can deny that her words had and have power in the Democratic party establishment.

In '08, even after half a million Iraqi innocents were slaughtered, their electrical and water grid bombed out of existence and their cities turned into burnt out husks, while millions more were fleeing or had already fled to points unknown as refugees with nothing but the clothes on their backs and their families in tow, while those families left behind had nowhere to turn for medical assistance and had to live with the sheer terror of seeing the tortured remains of bodies turning up daily on streets, with survivors looking for their loved ones in the lines of dead at makeshift morgues. After a torture regime that's still unknown in scope but included gitmo and abu ghraib, and for which nobody was held to account, Hillary said this:

"And I believe that at the same time that we have to make clear to the Iraqis that they have been given the greatest gift that a human being can give another human being – the gift of freedom. And it is up to them to decide how they will use that precious gift that has been paid for with the blood and sacrifice and treasure of the United States of America.”

Then she went on to assume power as SoS after Pres. Obama appointed her, and she followed her neocon advisers to totally destroy Libya. Her work secured the massive Libyan oilfields for the US and disregarded the rest, it being too insignificant to bother with. That's how much those lives mattered to her. She was more concerned with following her neocon advisers in setting up a "Friends of Syria" network of mercenary thugs to begin a war to effect regime change in Syria. Which is the situation that Obama has been trying to extricate the US from ever since.

You can say anything you want about how Hillary Clinton is innocent of all that because you've got some quotation from someone who says so. But you aren't speaking the truth.

Do you have any idea how many 1,000,000 deaths is, and what it means in terms of total devastation and desolation for the survivors?

Good for you TMontoya Apr 2016 #1
"i almost apologized..." iAZZZo Apr 2016 #10
Is that prison at stone mountain the home SwampG8r Apr 2016 #14
Stone mountain is a city as well not just a mountain GeorgiaPeanuts Apr 2016 #16
Im embarrassed... SwampG8r Apr 2016 #18
I've been gone so long I forgot there was a prison in Stone Mountain. In_The_Wind Apr 2016 #78
Barrack Obama did his best; but some idiots posting in this forum could still land in Gitmo Jeffersons Ghost Apr 2016 #80
Message auto-removed Name removed Apr 2016 #102
Sure you were...nt SidDithers Apr 2016 #2
"I almost want to apologize for it" iAZZZo Apr 2016 #12
What a horrible picture. Baitball Blogger Apr 2016 #17
exactly the message bill clinton desired, like he did in philadelphia iAZZZo Apr 2016 #22
"I'm sure it sent the msg he wanted to send for the times." iAZZZo Apr 2016 #108
Your old grumpy pic was better for you. nt Logical Apr 2016 #68
Thanks for almost telling us something relevant. nt. Nonhlanhla Apr 2016 #3
Oh my vote is relevant timmymoff Apr 2016 #5
Message auto-removed Name removed Apr 2016 #103
enjoy your stay WhiteTara Apr 2016 #4
I thought you might find this interesting. Have a look: CaliforniaPeggy Apr 2016 #7
That is interesting WhiteTara Apr 2016 #9
Yes it is interesting timmymoff Apr 2016 #11
Just put the Hillarians on ignore. It turns it into a Liberal Democratic board that Zira Apr 2016 #53
That's good advice demwing Apr 2016 #111
+1 *snort* dchill Apr 2016 #63
25% of Dem leaning voters say they refuse to vote for her no mater what. Zira Apr 2016 #50
kick kgnu_fan Apr 2016 #6
Actually before bernie entered the race i was content with Hillary timmymoff Apr 2016 #8
Very nice..... Silver_Witch Apr 2016 #13
Excellent. 840high Apr 2016 #23
+1 Zira Apr 2016 #55
I was almost going to vote for her fighting-irish Apr 2016 #15
The arrogance of that statement, by an entitled rich corrupt egomaniac, is just unbelievable. CentralCoaster Apr 2016 #19
Wow Tarc Apr 2016 #20
I almost donated to Bernie. athena Apr 2016 #21
That's ok xloadiex Apr 2016 #24
He shows all the signs of a man who can't athena Apr 2016 #25
Wow. Just wow. The hand gestures are because of his heritage and where he grew up. You have a liberal_at_heart Apr 2016 #27
That's anti-semitic. athena Apr 2016 #30
I had a feeling you would be going on my ignore list. Good bye. liberal_at_heart Apr 2016 #32
Can't respond to my point, can you? athena Apr 2016 #34
First they swarm you, then they insult you, finally they ignore you. Surya Gayatri Apr 2016 #89
Wow!! beedle Apr 2016 #49
He's a politician. athena Apr 2016 #52
Do you know how many video I could post of Hillary losing control? beedle Apr 2016 #58
Really? TM99 Apr 2016 #76
It sounds to me xloadiex Apr 2016 #37
Or, just making shit up noiretextatique Apr 2016 #39
Is there any woman who has actually worked with Sanders noiretextatique Apr 2016 #38
"a woman who is more intelligent" - unbelievable. IdaBriggs Apr 2016 #41
I've known a lot of women who thought they were more intelligent than me polly7 Apr 2016 #51
So you admit Bernie would be incapable of standing still athena Apr 2016 #54
So ........ you make up stupid bullshit and attribute it to me admitting it? polly7 Apr 2016 #59
She's not more intelligent. Fawke Em Apr 2016 #83
I call it his "petulant purpleness"--more than red, it looks almost apoplectic. Surya Gayatri Apr 2016 #86
I've donated to him twice already this month. Thinking about donating again today. liberal_at_heart Apr 2016 #29
I see you have an Obama avatar. The 2008 primary was just as nasty as this one. Do you think liberal_at_heart Apr 2016 #26
Thanks for bringing this up. Obama was not sexist. If he had been, I would have supported Hillary. athena Apr 2016 #28
Think whatever you like. I am a woman and don't think Bernie is being sexist. Neither does my liberal_at_heart Apr 2016 #31
Being a woman does not make one non-sexist by definition. athena Apr 2016 #35
There is no proof of Bernie being a sexist, only your accusation noiretextatique Apr 2016 #40
You mean...... Amaril Apr 2016 #87
Everybody knows Gloria Steinem is a sexist! Fuddnik Apr 2016 #105
And Hillary supporters seem to think that everyone who is Democrat can be counted on to vote for her Contrary1 Apr 2016 #57
We do not think any such thing. athena Apr 2016 #61
Nah, we've been told repeatedly that Hillary can beat any Republican... Contrary1 Apr 2016 #64
So how is a democrat NOT WINNING MFM008 Apr 2016 #81
Who said it was a good thing? Contrary1 Apr 2016 #85
"donated to Hillary instead" So you're the guy. Loudestlib Apr 2016 #65
Yes, us bernie fans hate hillary but love Warren. weird she is a woman also. Nice try though. nt Logical Apr 2016 #69
Warren is not running. athena Apr 2016 #71
A hard to love one who is a right leaning dem. Nt Logical Apr 2016 #74
Elizabeth Warren challenges the status quo constantly. senz Apr 2016 #100
And that's why you Hill Shills love HRC notadmblnd Apr 2016 #104
We have your part more than covered, thanks. DisgustipatedinCA Apr 2016 #94
No you weren't. Trust Buster Apr 2016 #33
We get it. Bernie or bust. Bleacher Creature Apr 2016 #36
Yes. So if you want to save the world from Trump and Cruz... IdaBriggs Apr 2016 #42
If you were seeking a reminder timmymoff Apr 2016 #43
I never considered Sanders KingFlorez Apr 2016 #44
You aren't required to like him timmymoff Apr 2016 #45
Oh, I know that KingFlorez Apr 2016 #46
Because he upset the planned coronation? timmymoff Apr 2016 #47
No, because I learned some very ugly things about him KingFlorez Apr 2016 #48
I'm doubting you actually read it. I did and disagree completely with your take. nt revbones Apr 2016 #60
I read it KingFlorez Apr 2016 #66
Sure. Obviously if you think that's worse than the blood on Hillary's hands revbones Apr 2016 #70
He voted to approve her as Secretary of State and he voted to fund the war KingFlorez Apr 2016 #72
So the vote for the Iraq War is ok, because Obama also did it? revbones Apr 2016 #73
Voting to fund a war in progress is supporting the troops and not leaving them high and dry. cui bono Apr 2016 #84
funding our troops actually. Viva_La_Revolution Apr 2016 #92
Some would say wars are scary and should be avoided timmymoff Apr 2016 #67
Thanks for risking a Republican presidency. I hope... LAS14 Apr 2016 #56
Thank you for voting for a conservative candidate timmymoff Apr 2016 #62
A huge price to pay is voting for someone already responsible for over a million Arab deaths, delrem Apr 2016 #79
As far as war profiteers go VulgarPoet Apr 2016 #82
For your edification, as you're still obviously suffering under a widely-disseminated delusion: Surya Gayatri Apr 2016 #88
It's generous of Bernie to say so, but he doesn't form opinions for the rest of us. DisgustipatedinCA Apr 2016 #97
Hillary is responsible for her vote, and her very positive (in favor) speech before the vote, delrem Apr 2016 #107
This may be hard for Hillary supporters to understand, but Marr Apr 2016 #110
Sure. Whatever her husband does it's her fault. Tell me again how sexism is not at play here.? Jitter65 Apr 2016 #75
Her husband was POTUS. She was part of his deal. delrem Apr 2016 #77
lol the sexist card timmymoff Apr 2016 #91
Nah, you're just joshin' us there...come on, admit it. Surya Gayatri Apr 2016 #90
Silly. nt cwydro Apr 2016 #93
Yes, she almost convinced me she was actually a democrat. timmymoff Apr 2016 #95
Keep trying darlin'. nt cwydro Apr 2016 #96
She challenges my party loyalty, but I'd vote for Nixon over Goldwater so I'd vote Hillary if worse Attorney in Texas Apr 2016 #98
Yup Avalon Sparks Apr 2016 #99
timmymoff, are you aware senz Apr 2016 #101
It was my understanding that I am free to speak timmymoff Apr 2016 #109
Hahaha! KPN Apr 2016 #106
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