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Corporate666

(587 posts)
47. Too many people don't understand...
Sun Apr 17, 2016, 07:11 PM
Apr 2016

Large systems like the US economy can't tolerate big changes without far-reaching repercussions, many of which aren't understood until it's too late.

If we make public college free, people think that it will be just as it is now, except you won't pay for public schools. That is wrong. There are some results we can count on:

1) Enrollment will skyrocket
2) That will cause them to have to be extremely selective in who they accept

Who will choose to pay $100-150k for a private school when they could go to a public school for free? Very, very few - only those coming from families for whom $150k is nothing. The vast majority of students will apply for public school. And because it has become so competitive, only the top 1% will have any hope of getting in. And that largely means white kids from upper middle class cities and towns. And without the cheaper option of public school, many kids who would otherwise benefit from a public education will have to choose between private or nothing, and many won't be able to afford private.


Saying "we'll figure it out" isn't an answer. It's just kicking the can down the road and thinking a solution can be found. There are many problems for which solutions can't be found, and I think the above is one of them.

And it doesn't even address the issue of how private schools will be able to remain in business. They won't. Which is what happens in other countries with free public schooling. The schools are terrible compared to US schools, and the private schools go out of business.


Imagine if Bernie decided to pass a law stating that one supermarket in every city will be free. What will happen? There will be lines out the door all day, every day. So bad that only people willing to queue the day before and wait all night will be able to get in. Thinking it would be different with college is just incredible naivete.

+1, we haven't done this enough when it comes to Sanders... uponit7771 Apr 2016 #1
You seem to think and fear those are going to be done his first day in office. Autumn Apr 2016 #2
Oh come on now ornotna Apr 2016 #59
I think people forget how college entry is severely restricted in nations where it is free..... bettyellen Apr 2016 #3
Interesting point about admissions CorkySt.Clair Apr 2016 #5
I haven't and neither has Bernie. Fawke Em Apr 2016 #29
Improving public education and Bernie's plan are not mutually exclusive. Both are needed. Armstead Apr 2016 #30
Too many people don't understand... Corporate666 Apr 2016 #47
We are smart enough to figure out every one of those. I have more faith in America Armstead Apr 2016 #50
"If a kid doesn't set goals and work to meet them, it is not society's job to force them." bettyellen Apr 2016 #51
Re: Medicaid buy-in SFnomad Apr 2016 #4
I am sure he has thought for a very long time on all of these things Marrah_G Apr 2016 #6
Fair enough. I'll address your points in order. DisgustipatedinCA Apr 2016 #7
Those aren't answers, they are platitudes Corporate666 Apr 2016 #44
mmm hmmm. DisgustipatedinCA Apr 2016 #46
1. Minimum wage. There's no reason NYC shouldn't be able to raise their minimum wage to $20.50 ... Scuba Apr 2016 #8
Answer this: CrowCityDem Apr 2016 #9
Because he knows and his supporters know that for his political revolution to be ... Scuba Apr 2016 #14
Or, is it a way of hiding the size of the necessary tax increase? CrowCityDem Apr 2016 #15
Watch this. smiley Apr 2016 #16
Success relies on us. If we go into a deal already retreating we will not go far enough to move them. The Wielding Truth Apr 2016 #26
Why does one person need 2-bedrooms? oberliner Apr 2016 #21
For their kids? Or do you support ... Scuba Apr 2016 #35
Most single people don't have kids oberliner Apr 2016 #38
I'm not sure what your point is, if you have one, but seems to me that one should be able to ... Scuba Apr 2016 #55
The figures should show the one-bedroom housing wage rather than the two-bedroom housing wage oberliner Apr 2016 #56
Flipping the script on flipping the script. seekthetruth Apr 2016 #10
I believe that you are misusing the term, 'flip the script' me b zola Apr 2016 #11
Excellent post! pandr32 Apr 2016 #12
"Clean energy renewables"? Tell that to the people with wells contaminated by fracking. Binkie The Clown Apr 2016 #13
Yep. We must be smart enough to be able to use renewables. Not in 20 years but now. The Wielding Truth Apr 2016 #28
In order, plus a bonus #4. lumberjack_jeff Apr 2016 #17
What if the majority of the lawmakers are Republicans? oberliner Apr 2016 #22
We Bernie supporters truly don't understand this train of thought. lumberjack_jeff Apr 2016 #34
I am not suggesting this as a reason not to support Bernie oberliner Apr 2016 #37
The composition of congress is immaterial to the goals and principles POTUS holds and articulates. lumberjack_jeff Apr 2016 #39
That's true - but they can prevent those goals from being realized oberliner Apr 2016 #43
Hillary has campaigned as the pragmatic, incremental candidate. She can work with this congress. lumberjack_jeff Apr 2016 #45
I am not suggesting that you vote for Hillary oberliner Apr 2016 #49
I would consider it a success if he can move the terms of the discussion. lumberjack_jeff Apr 2016 #57
Another bullshit hit piece angrychair Apr 2016 #18
My questions are serious... CrowCityDem Apr 2016 #19
Hardly serious angrychair Apr 2016 #20
The context... CrowCityDem Apr 2016 #23
Read, listen and pay attention to details angrychair Apr 2016 #25
Can those agenda items move forward without majority legislative support? oberliner Apr 2016 #24
Cool. Step one) agree that we want these things. JCanete Apr 2016 #27
The DNC does support it... CrowCityDem Apr 2016 #32
So the DNC supports these things if what we're talking about is not actually getting these things?nt JCanete Apr 2016 #58
Don't want this to be neglected, because appreciate your attempt to discuss issues...... Armstead Apr 2016 #31
That's a bit of fantasy... CrowCityDem Apr 2016 #33
Nothing any Democrat ever proposes will get anywhere unless there are such changes Armstead Apr 2016 #48
Huh? I didn't blame Bernie for anything... CrowCityDem Apr 2016 #54
There are lots of things that were "fantasy" Marrah_G Apr 2016 #53
Not a suppporter of either candidate... my vote is my business, but you want to discuss policy sure nadinbrzezinski Apr 2016 #36
Re:college CrowCityDem Apr 2016 #40
If the states refuse to do it, liek they are doing with the ACA nadinbrzezinski Apr 2016 #42
These questions show me you either haven't done any research or the media really is lousy. Fawke Em Apr 2016 #41
Do you have anything you think is worth having the courage to do? Marrah_G Apr 2016 #52
I'm sorry. I cannot respond to someone that uses fracking and clean energy in the same sentence. jillan Apr 2016 #60
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