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2016 Postmortem

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Land of Enchantment

(1,217 posts)
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 09:12 PM Apr 2016

I'm Canceling My Subscription to Sunshine Patriot Thom Hartmann's Program [View all]

because of the stance he took today. It was the f'ing last straw.
What is a Sunshine Patriot?


Sunshine Patriot
A word used in the essay "The American Crisis" by Thomas Paine in winter 1776 during the uncertain times of the American revolution.

The word Sunshine Patriot refers to individuals who claim to fight against tyranny on the side of freedom, yet are unable to stick it out when the going gets tough or unfavorable.


I won't bore or infuriate you with everything he said and have to paraphrase because I am so disgusted and pissed off that I will not waste my time looking for ways to link to the show and find the exact moment when he made some servile statements. Here is the essence of it....

~ It's time to come together...Bernie is likely out of the running because the numbers are against him...Bernie says he will now go after the Super Delegates but that won't work out for him...There's not that much difference between Bernie and Hillary...Bernie started a MOVEMENT and the DNC will have to incorporate his ideas into the Democratic Platform...Hillary has become a progressive and will stay a progressive....and on and on ad nauseum...~

Translation:

TH is freaked about the supremes. That is always his argument. We HAVE to band together and vote for Hillary because if we don't the Supreme Court will be the same as it has been for the last couple of decades.

TH is telling his audience that we have to support the DNC's choice of candidate. They obviously know what is best for us. For all the times he has ranted against everything they have done to Sanders he sure flipped. Sunshine Patriot.

TH forgot about:

The DNC's dismal Debate Schedule--6 Debates for Hillary and Bernie; 25 Debates for Obama and Hillary.

The 'Data Breach'. Lawsuit still pending by Sanders against the DNC for refusing to release Bernie's voter data.

The Hillary Victory Fund.


All engineered by the DNC. And now Hartmann wants us to accept their choice and be good little democrats while espousing they will embrace the 'movement' Bernie started and Hillary will 'remain' a progressive? What tripe!!!! The record of the DNC accepting progressive movements is dismal and I don't see them changing or accepting anything from us---not now and not in the future.They are effictively alienating half of the party members.

Since 2009, the Democratic Party has lost 69 House seats, 13 Senate seats, over 900 state legislative seats and 12 governorships. Although most presidents’ political parties suffer losses in Congress, Republican gains under Barack Obama’s administration have been unprecedented. After the 2014 midterm elections, Democrats suffered so dramatically that the Democratic National Committee organized a task force to review how the party connects their core values with voters. While the rise of anti-establishment candidate Bernie Sanders should serve as a wake-up call, the Democratic establishment has not embraced his candidacy as a means to re-energize their voter base. Instead, leaders of the Party have fallen in line behind Hillary Clinton, who only further alienates the types of voters they should be courting. Denying Bernie access to his own voter rolls. That tension spilled into the open on Friday after the DNC cut off Sanders from a crucial voter database, saying the campaign wrongly accessed data gathered by Hillary Clinton's team. Sanders filed suit in federal court Friday evening seeking to regain access to the voter data. http://observer.com/2016/02/if-sanders-loses-bernie-believers-will-take-the-dnc-down/


http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2016/04/19/3770542/bernie-hillary-dnc-fundraising/
Sanders unveiled a new accusation this week, pointing to “extremely serious concerns” about Clinton’s joint fundraising activities with the DNC. A letter from his attorney laid out the issue: the joint fundraising structure allows Clinton to accept much larger individual donations than her campaign is legally allowed to receive, and that money is then being used to send out mailers and online ads to raise money from smaller donors who can contribute directly to the campaign multiple times. The group has collected $33 million dollars so far.
“This is the type of mega, mega joint fundraising committee that we all feared would come into existence if McCutcheonwere ruled the wrong way, which it was,” said Craig Holman with Public Citizen. “It makes maximum use of the loose rules governing joint fundraising. They’re using big checks to set up a small donor fundraising campaign and turning over the small donors to the Hillary campaign while keeping the large ones for the party. It is permissible, but it’s offensive, and it should be illegal.”
Both Holman and Larry Noble with the Campaign Legal Center emphasized that it’s extremely unusual and possibly unprecedented for a party to raise so much money for a candidate before the general election.
“It shows the DNC has clearly taken sides before they even have a nominee,” said Holman. “There’s an obvious bias.”
Noble agreed. “They really are throwing their weight behind a particular candidate,” he said. “Their argument is usually that it helps the party generally, but the practical and legal reality is that it benefits Hillary Clinton. You just don’t expect this kind of thing to happen in the primaries.”
Noble added that even if there were a legal violation in Clinton’s fundraising — for example, exceeding limits for in-kind donations from the DNC to her campaign — the gridlocked Federal Elections Commissions will not do anything to put a stop to it.


As Ben Jealous pointed out recently, the DNC and Hillary are represented by the same attorney, Marc Elias. Conflict of Interest.

div class="excerpt"]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marc_Elias
Marc Elias
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Marc E. Elias is the general counsel for Hillary Rodham Clinton’s 2016 presidential campaign.[1] He served as general counsel to John Kerry’s 2004 presidential campaign. Elias is a partner at the law firm Perkins Coie LLP.
He served as lead counsel for Senator Al Franken in the 2008 Minnesota Senate election recount and contest, the largest recount and contest in American history.[3] Elias represents the Democratic National Committee,
Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee, Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee, and Democratic Governors Association.[2] He has represented the leadership of the House of Representatives and U.S. Senate. Elias has testified before committees in both houses of Congress and before the Federal Election Commission on campaign finance.[4] Elias has worked on voting rights and redistricting lawsuits in Virginia, Ohio, Nevada, Minnesota, New York, Wisconsin, Texas, Florida and North Carolina.[5]


Trust them again? I am in it for Bernie. In for a penny--in for a pound.





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"Hillary has become a progressive and will stay a progressive" whatchamacallit Apr 2016 #1
jesus h christ. m-lekktor Apr 2016 #6
Barf worthy indeed. PowerToThePeople Apr 2016 #10
Yep. To paraphrase again ~It's what we want to see Land of Enchantment Apr 2016 #12
Shocking Flying Shoe Apr 2016 #115
Yes, and our media is getting worse by the day. I did see Bill Press on FSTV today and he Land of Enchantment Apr 2016 #120
At least we have the internet Flying Shoe Apr 2016 #125
My pleasure. I like your handle...reminds me of the man throwing his shoes at GWB Land of Enchantment Apr 2016 #127
That is exactly the origin of the handle! Flying Shoe Apr 2016 #135
unbelievable! and K&R thanks for posting this; it's shocking! amborin Apr 2016 #28
Hey there Amborin! You know, when the 'real' progressives go mainstream it is Land of Enchantment Apr 2016 #45
Hey Land of Enchantment! Yes, this is really putting people to the test and revealing their true amborin Apr 2016 #78
I don't believe it either but I'll keep watching Hartmann. He is informative. I don't agree always.. snowy owl Apr 2016 #77
Yeah, I do doubt that. nt SusanCalvin Apr 2016 #102
Lol, where do they FIND these people? The talking point since NY was, same as it was after March 15 sabrina 1 Apr 2016 #134
You want to cancel because he spoke the truth ? Putting him on "ignore" huh ? Trust Buster Apr 2016 #2
He was half right. Loudestlib Apr 2016 #46
+1 Flying Shoe Apr 2016 #116
Thom Hartmann acts rationally, offends part of his fan base geek tragedy Apr 2016 #3
Imagine when Bernie endorses Hillary???/ boston bean Apr 2016 #5
Oh I've said he will def go under the bus geek tragedy Apr 2016 #7
It will be fucking epic. I may take the day off of work for the entertainment value. boston bean Apr 2016 #11
+ 100 JoePhilly Apr 2016 #15
Very good way to see who supported him vs those geek tragedy Apr 2016 #16
lol. nt ecstatic Apr 2016 #33
As long as he doesn't donate ANY of the money he's raised to give to her. PyaarRevolution Apr 2016 #66
She will probably wind up paying off his campaign debt. nt BreakfastClub Apr 2016 #94
Thanks for the belly laugh! Take the day off, indeed! LOLOL! Surya Gayatri Apr 2016 #70
Haha, I'll be laughing too, cus you're right. Joob Apr 2016 #81
+1000!!! I know I will! nt nolawarlock Apr 2016 #90
The things that "entertain" you show you for what you are. senz Apr 2016 #96
Oh my gosh!!! workinclasszero Apr 2016 #27
lol! nt ecstatic Apr 2016 #34
She's already there for not endorsing Bernie. LuvLoogie Apr 2016 #56
I think they just showed her the bus that time but.. workinclasszero Apr 2016 #60
Workingclass jpb33 Apr 2016 #101
I think Bernie has recently come face to face with what she is. senz Apr 2016 #93
It will be such a meltdown brer cat Apr 2016 #110
Hopefully this will happen. It'll then be more civil around here. savalez Apr 2016 #118
You nailed it workinclasszero Apr 2016 #24
"I will not waste my time looking for ways to link to the show" JTFrog Apr 2016 #50
It's been obvious what role Hartmann was intended to play. Not much difference? Skwmom Apr 2016 #4
He has lost me completely. Amy Goodman has not. Land of Enchantment Apr 2016 #19
Stomp Your Feet, Threaten to Hold Breath and Cover Your Ears Stallion Apr 2016 #8
TH expects Hillary to "stay a progressive"? 99th_Monkey Apr 2016 #9
I guessed correctly Dem2 Apr 2016 #13
Nope, you didn't. He buckled. Big Time. Some people don't seem to have the courage Land of Enchantment Apr 2016 #29
I voted for losing candidates too Dem2 Apr 2016 #32
Chops means earned experience, going door to door, Land of Enchantment Apr 2016 #48
So You've Voted for 4 Losers-Seems Appropritate Stallion Apr 2016 #40
Please don't dox him though. DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2016 #14
They've got to him. EndElectoral Apr 2016 #17
Shocking how quickly he caved. The host following him in Chicago did the same. Peregrine Took Apr 2016 #18
Wow. You must have something different than FSTV. Land of Enchantment Apr 2016 #21
Bill Press Will Be on the Clinton Bandwagon Any Day Now Stallion Apr 2016 #22
LOL!!! She can't get enough delegates to clinch. Period. Land of Enchantment Apr 2016 #30
Norman Goldman has been against Bernie from the get go... Rockyj Apr 2016 #136
I'm with you xloadiex Apr 2016 #58
I know!!!! I never called in to his show because he has an ego problem. He leaves callers on hold Land of Enchantment Apr 2016 #69
Stephanie is the WORST pdsimdars Apr 2016 #112
whow. Thom was a diehard-ad nausea for Bernie. Just whow. riversedge Apr 2016 #20
The man was a hero to yall just days ago workinclasszero Apr 2016 #23
Not to me whatchamacallit Apr 2016 #26
Funny how you guys fit a pope under there. Loudestlib Apr 2016 #47
Better than putting him up on a pedestal. n/t JTFrog Apr 2016 #54
It's not an either or. We can recognize the pope's progressive positions and still criticize his Loudestlib Apr 2016 #74
i am afraid thom jumped the shark restorefreedom Apr 2016 #25
You are right. I see the discomfort in TH's body language and his vibes change when he Land of Enchantment Apr 2016 #35
it is definitely discouraging restorefreedom Apr 2016 #42
Aww. Thanks. She was a lady Marine in WWII. Land of Enchantment Apr 2016 #55
sounds like she had an interesting life. restorefreedom Apr 2016 #85
Check this out-- Bernie Sanders radio! Art_from_Ark Apr 2016 #121
Oh Wowsers! Thanks! I will check it out! nt Land of Enchantment Apr 2016 #122
I was watching TNT on youtube last night... Ino Apr 2016 #62
wow thanks restorefreedom Apr 2016 #87
Cenk, Hartman and others TM99 Apr 2016 #86
You make some very valid points. Sorry Land of Enchantment Apr 2016 #123
LOL...So sorry your Tom Hartmann safe space has been invaded by reality! Must be tough! tritsofme Apr 2016 #31
Eh-hem. He is not facing any trouble with the FBI. I lived through the Clinton's Dual Land of Enchantment Apr 2016 #38
I feel the same way you do when I hear Thom on his radio show. floriduck Apr 2016 #36
I could not agree more. He has been gradually 'going there' but today was Land of Enchantment Apr 2016 #41
I literally turned him off after about 15 seconds because of that. Evidently otherwise intelligent GoneFishin Apr 2016 #37
very succinctly and perfectly put. nt restorefreedom Apr 2016 #44
Under the bus with Hartman nt firebrand80 Apr 2016 #39
Another One Bites the Dust!!! Stallion Apr 2016 #43
I loved Queen! Here's a GREAT one for you, Land of Enchantment Apr 2016 #49
Well Now We Got a Hootenanny!!! Stallion Apr 2016 #52
Well. This is how we hootenanny in Nuevo Mexico. Land of Enchantment Apr 2016 #59
Meh. He's been under the Hillary bus since he started supporting Sanders anyway. merrily Apr 2016 #68
Looks like he is not the only one.. Bohemianwriter Apr 2016 #51
Yes, Thom Hartman was saying how Clinton was moving to the 'left'... TheProgressive Apr 2016 #53
Thom is very uncomfortable with any real conflict. His faith is in rationality and bbgrunt Apr 2016 #97
Justices nominated by Republicans have controlled the SCOTUS for a long time and Obama merrily Apr 2016 #57
Thanks, Merrily. You are a wealth of historical knowledge Land of Enchantment Apr 2016 #64
Earl Warren was an Eisenhower appointee. He had been the AG of California who implemented the merrily Apr 2016 #67
Thanks for the history lesson. Will you run for office? Please? Land of Enchantment Apr 2016 #71
Earl Warren got back at Eisenhower when Warren wrote his autobiog. He exposed Ike for the racist he merrily Apr 2016 #76
Truman promoted Eisenhower during WWII because he wanted him to run as a Dem. Fuddnik Apr 2016 #84
The love of Democrats for Eisenhower is so misguided, IMO. merrily Apr 2016 #98
Actually Earl Warren Was Also Governor of California Stallion Apr 2016 #72
I forgot to give you a new gift in gratitude for your brilliance... enjoy Land of Enchantment Apr 2016 #73
Thank you so much! That is so lovely of you. merrily Apr 2016 #79
That's interesting Art_from_Ark Apr 2016 #131
Eisenhower also gets credit for the national highway system and for nominating Democratic justices. merrily Apr 2016 #133
Guess he finally got paid big time to join... Silver_Witch Apr 2016 #61
We gained heavily in 2008 when Obama pretended to be a liberal. He veered to the right once in offi Doctor_J Apr 2016 #63
I am very disappointed that Obama was so esoteric and seems to have Land of Enchantment Apr 2016 #83
Esoteric? rjsquirrel Apr 2016 #108
Thom has been doing some vacillating for at least a month now...at first i just thought he was into islandmkl Apr 2016 #65
I know Thom agrees with Bernie and I know Hill's dishonesty & gutter-level campaigning disturb him. senz Apr 2016 #75
However, he himself has said that he is not a DC insider oregonjen Apr 2016 #91
Yes, I know. I didn't want to say it, though. senz Apr 2016 #92
. RandySF Apr 2016 #80
Oh Randy, those people with their values and standards senz Apr 2016 #95
TH seems to be a Peace-at-any-Price type of Person eom LarryNM Apr 2016 #82
it started with OA at Seattle--basically, he saw Sanders getting shoved by activists, so there must MisterP Apr 2016 #88
HA! Wonder who is next? Stand and Fight Apr 2016 #89
Couldn't TH wait until the primaries were over!??! Karma13612 Apr 2016 #99
I always Liked jpb33 Apr 2016 #100
You make some very astute points I had never thought of and Land of Enchantment Apr 2016 #126
He does go a bit overboard, but look wahat someone posted. . . and it is AWESOME pdsimdars Apr 2016 #103
Also, email him or call in the show to voice your objection. He can be reasoned with. pdsimdars Apr 2016 #104
Stay Positive Thom Billsmile Apr 2016 #105
This election is showing us who's who. Waiting For Everyman Apr 2016 #106
Ha ha ha ha rjsquirrel Apr 2016 #107
I didn't see Hartmann yesterday but saw this coming BernieforPres2016 Apr 2016 #109
right, it's the whole "X has to be a secret liberal--they just HAVE to!" MisterP Apr 2016 #114
I have to say, Thom has definitely exhibited he's got WhaTHellsgoingonhere Apr 2016 #111
This message was self-deleted by its author Corruption Inc Apr 2016 #113
I had an interesting discussion on this topic earlier today. basselope Apr 2016 #119
I think you scared him. He wasn't there today. They filled in for him. Ha. pdsimdars Apr 2016 #117
LOL. I'm sure he is terrified of the responses this thread got (sarcasm) Land of Enchantment Apr 2016 #124
I support Bernie, too, but He's running for the Democratic Nomination. Warren DeMontague Apr 2016 #128
Bernie said he would and I expect him to keep his word. Unless------ Land of Enchantment Apr 2016 #129
I hear you. Im certainly not gonna tell you what to do, or try to. Warren DeMontague Apr 2016 #130
Thanks for your respect. I think I am a little too old to be lectured Land of Enchantment Apr 2016 #132
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