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Bluenorthwest

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34. Show evidence of such 'tomfoolery'. It's like Republicans shouting about voter fraud and demanding
Sun Apr 24, 2016, 08:53 AM
Apr 2016

Voter ID when there really is no such fraud. NY has the lowest turnout among blue States and is regularly in the bottom five of all States for turnout. There are a variety of reasons for that.

My State, Oregon, has a closed Primary and we regularly get some of the best turnout in the country, very easily double NY's crappy ass turnout. And that's true in non Primary elections as well, NY hardly votes in midterms, in local elections.
In the 1950's NYC had 92% turnout for mayoral election. Last time it was 24%. Not good.

In a State in which fewer than 30% of the people can manage to vote at all, it is very hard to believe there are significant numbers of people committed enough to do 'cross party tomfoolery'. They don't even vote in their own Parties. Apathy is the NY state of mind, not activism. But you fear 'tomfoolery' which you can't demonstrate.

In the current cycle, only Louisiana has had turnout wore than NY's.

I do not care. I want to elect a Democratic candidate. Lol. Seriously? I WANT the decks STACKED seabeyond Apr 2016 #1
The whole system is undemocratic. Bad Dog Apr 2016 #2
...which has nothing to do with the Primary process brooklynite Apr 2016 #21
Really? Bad Dog Apr 2016 #22
Primary elections are the decision of a Party and its members... brooklynite Apr 2016 #37
There's no reason why OMOV can't apply to choosing a presidential candidate. Bad Dog Apr 2016 #41
Been this way for decades and it's only an issue to those who beachbumbob Apr 2016 #3
We aren't a democracy. We're a republic. Makes a difference about your complaint. CrowCityDem Apr 2016 #4
There is a good reason for closed primaries KingFlorez Apr 2016 #5
Closed primaries. Dem voters should decide Dem nominee. JaneyVee Apr 2016 #6
Yep. Stuckinthebush Apr 2016 #9
Ame. n/t MBS Apr 2016 #35
It's democratic to Members of the Democratic party. NobodyHere Apr 2016 #7
It sounds like you are arguing to allow Republicans to vote in Democratic primaries LonePirate Apr 2016 #8
Either open them or distribute them according to the number of registered Democrats n/t Blue Meany Apr 2016 #10
22 states have no party registration. Eric J in MN Apr 2016 #15
I been voting in open primary Indiana for years without any problems. B Calm Apr 2016 #24
I don't want non- union members voting in those elections OKNancy Apr 2016 #11
That would be great limiting primary voters only to union members. Only B Calm Apr 2016 #25
There are people who work and toil within the party for years Tarc Apr 2016 #12
Your missing the point... Blue Meany Apr 2016 #13
"You're" Tarc Apr 2016 #14
Do you support NY state's 6 month freeze on party-switching before the primaries? NT Eric J in MN Apr 2016 #17
Yes, as it minimizes cross-party tomfoolery Tarc Apr 2016 #18
It also minimizes the number of people who join the Democratic Party in an election year. NT Eric J in MN Apr 2016 #19
If those people cannot read and follow simple rules to register by a certain date Tarc Apr 2016 #20
Show evidence of such 'tomfoolery'. It's like Republicans shouting about voter fraud and demanding Bluenorthwest Apr 2016 #34
Call the waaaaaambulance ... stat! n/t SFnomad Apr 2016 #16
A closed primary is limiting political freedom, and is right wing authoritarian. B Calm Apr 2016 #23
Correct. What is missing from closed primaries, is the will of the people. -none Apr 2016 #38
This message was self-deleted by its author rjsquirrel Apr 2016 #26
Why the DNC keeps getting away with cramming shitty candidates down our throats. B Calm Apr 2016 #27
This message was self-deleted by its author rjsquirrel Apr 2016 #28
I prefer to stay for spite! B Calm Apr 2016 #29
This message was self-deleted by its author rjsquirrel Apr 2016 #30
I prefer to change rules to the better and grow the democratic base. You B Calm Apr 2016 #31
This message was self-deleted by its author rjsquirrel Apr 2016 #32
If you are a true democrat you would be concerned about B Calm Apr 2016 #33
Unfortunately open primaries let Republicans mess up our elections scepticism Apr 2016 #36
and democrats can mess up their elections. The truth is B Calm Apr 2016 #42
And closed primaries ignore the votes of small i independents. marble falls Apr 2016 #43
Ok, yes, & let's consider which TYPE (open, closed, etc.) of primary would be ideal. metamorphosis Apr 2016 #39
However it is done, each vote should be equal Blue Meany Apr 2016 #40
Open primaries are ripe for manipulation, though. Garrett78 Apr 2016 #44
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