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dreamnightwind

(4,775 posts)
33. Yes and there will soon be a lot more
Tue Apr 26, 2016, 03:00 PM
Apr 2016

I did a quick Google run for left/right alignment of the independents but finally tired of looking. If anyone knows the percentages, that would be interesting.

So what do you think, can the left actually do this, assuming we agree on what this is, or does it need the other side's help?

How about this, could there be a parent entity that would define itself around populist issues, that could then encompass, under its non-corporate ideology, different caucuses that would vary on the left/right spectrum? Are we the people capable of organizing in such a way? If so, I think we'll be able to get some critical things accomplished.

If anyone has an actual plan to get a functional Democratic Party again, that would be even better. I don't see us getting it out of the hands of the corporations. I'll keep working to do so, but it's time to look at whether that's a good use of energy, or whether it's going to take something else.

Even if we could do so, I think we'd still be thwarted by the right, just because. The independents might actually get on board if it was a larger entity that left the left/right issues to different factions within it. A populist Democratic Party could be a part of such a solution, but the current Democratic Party is decidedly on the side of the polluters/extractors/financiers/militarists.

Yes, incrementally and in baby steps at a very, very slow pace someday in the future... Human101948 Apr 2016 #1
with all deliberate speed TheDormouse Apr 2016 #5
Seems to be tacking straight ahead. Orsino Apr 2016 #2
It won't as long as corporate tools like DWS are in charge. The Velveteen Ocelot Apr 2016 #3
She is my least favorite Dem and makes me cringe every time I blm Apr 2016 #12
We must go even further right before we go left. Broward Apr 2016 #4
You got that right. That would be a refreshing thing to see. After all, there are all these votes highprincipleswork Apr 2016 #6
agree! oldandhappy Apr 2016 #7
If you have a few hundred million to throw around, you might be able to make that happen EmperorHasNoClothes Apr 2016 #8
Tack hell!!! It would take almost a 180 to get back to where we need to be. ret5hd Apr 2016 #9
Yup. That wouldn't be tacking, that would be coming about altogether. The Velveteen Ocelot Apr 2016 #16
I concur. blm Apr 2016 #10
Well said dad! jpmonk91 Apr 2016 #11
Yes, I see. mmonk Apr 2016 #15
You speak of the Democratic Party as if it were one entity. It's not. rhett o rick Apr 2016 #13
IMO the gap between Bernie and Hillary is 10X the gap between Hillary and mainstream Republicans BernieforPres2016 Apr 2016 #19
What's ironic is that the Republicons have taught their base to hate Hillary rhett o rick Apr 2016 #21
That's because most of them are idiots BernieforPres2016 Apr 2016 #23
Tack? How about "veer"? Scuba Apr 2016 #14
Veer is a good word. mmonk Apr 2016 #17
The US needs to make a hard left politically, asap. appalachiablue Apr 2016 #30
"Carom" and "Careen" are two good words, too. JustABozoOnThisBus Apr 2016 #38
Yes! But we must adhere to the Very Serious Plan: Maedhros Apr 2016 #18
Absolutely. Vinca Apr 2016 #20
That's not what the Hill Shills are saying. lagomorph777 Apr 2016 #32
That would be great, though there's one other way I can see dreamnightwind Apr 2016 #22
There are a lot of people on the left that gave up and went independent. mmonk Apr 2016 #25
Yes and there will soon be a lot more dreamnightwind Apr 2016 #33
It will take a few cycles. The current crowd is buried in the system. mmonk Apr 2016 #34
I have been hearing that all of my life dreamnightwind Apr 2016 #35
They've been doing this shit for 35 years. CrispyQ Apr 2016 #24
aint' that the truth Ferd Berfel Apr 2016 #28
To do that, you have to believe going left is MORE than just words to get elected. Skwmom Apr 2016 #26
Very true. I can tell the difference. TBTF is an example. mmonk Apr 2016 #29
Clinton and her supporters disagree with you. Ferd Berfel Apr 2016 #27
It's also the only way to get enough voters to beat any GOP nominee. lagomorph777 Apr 2016 #31
I think the 3rd way should adopt the color purple - fitting for the queen floppyboo Apr 2016 #36
Hell, even if they tack to the center it would be an imporovement Armstead Apr 2016 #37
True that. mmonk Apr 2016 #39
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